Dr_Chimera wrote:She was kidnapped and killed by a bunch of damn dirty muslims.
if AD weren't here I'd say redundant
Dr_Chimera wrote:She was kidnapped and killed by a bunch of damn dirty muslims.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Dog wrote:Religion is part of culture and culture will vary from group to group. What I would caution you against is trying to infer conclusions on "dangerousity" that would be applicable to Islam as a whole -it's just as unjust to claim that a perfectly peaceful follower of Islam in Jakarta, New York or London is somehow more prone to being dangerous (in ideas or acts) because of his faith than to claim that a black kid from a perfectly good home is more prone to being dumb. The problem with sweeping generalizations is that they sweep so large that they mostly catch people that are not what you label them (and exonerate people that would fit that label).
You want to say that there is a problem with radical islam, fine. But, you are wrong when you casually take that huge leap that goes from that and extends it to the whole of islam (ie. the belief of muslims). If you accept, as you state in your post above, that religion has little to do with it then it's futile to focus on it.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
AD wrote:I'm a people person Arts. I love, I don't hate. I don't discriminate.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Dog wrote:But AD and EB both speak english.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
embracedbias wrote:I vote NDP
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
embracedbias wrote:I'm talking about the difference between american jews and american christians, muslims, mormons, Scientologists, etc.
dempsey_k wrote:Islam's deepest issue is that it built a new civilization that couldn't conceive of secularism without being an Uncle Tom, or a coconut, as the anglophone Akhis in IS and AQ are fond of saying. Muhammad's theocracy presided over all secular issues from the start, and there was no precedent other than Mosaic law. Iran and the Kurds swivel between Mecca and their former culture Islam placed itself upon. Islam is qualitatively different there because it encroached upon something that was already coherent. Islam never truly took root in the Balkans like it did elsewhere in the Ottoman strongholds because their culture was already fully formed.
dempsey_k wrote:Islam's deepest issue is that it built a new civilization that couldn't conceive of secularism without being an Uncle Tom, or a coconut, as the anglophone Akhis in IS and AQ are fond of saying. Muhammad's theocracy presided over all secular issues from the start, and there was no precedent other than Mosaic law. Iran and the Kurds swivel between Mecca and their former culture Islam placed itself upon. Islam is qualitatively different there because it encroached upon something that was already coherent. Islam never truly took root in the Balkans like it did elsewhere in the Ottoman strongholds because their culture was already fully formed.
Christianity was built to inhabit the non-secular realms, and it's intrusions there were reactionary and manufactured. Christianity was built on a Greco-Roman-German culture that was already formed that handled all secular practical laws. In the Renaissance, Europeans who relied on Salic Law and Corpus Juris Civilis had reified Roman institutions, as Machiavelli reified the mentality of pre-Christian statecraft that was beyond good or evil. As soon as The Discourses was printed, Christianity was obsolete as a cultural force. There never could be a Muslim Machiavelli because there was no institution to reify that wasn't foreign and from and for those massacring and colonizing you.
So emotional authenticity, much needed in times of historic turmoil and upheaval, can only lead back to Muhammad, and those of his interpreters who most resonate with minds assaulted by the Kuffar, like Ibn Taimiyyah whose severity and egotism was spurred by the Mongol destruction of Baghdad. It doesn't help any that Taimiyyah's intellectual progeny own the largest proven oil reserves on the planet, and that we're acting the part of the Mongols.
Big#D wrote:see, we're starting to get to the bottom of this. eb is a leafs fan who votes ndp. it's obvious now that his lines between belief and reality are blurred.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
embracedbias wrote:Of course it's 'like' every religion. It's a matter of degree, not type.
What do you think of the observation that Muslim Americans (presumably among the most progressive muslims in the world, no?) are similar to evangelical, jehovah, and mormons (presumably among the least progressive christians in the world)?
According to local lore, Christ didn't commit any miracles while residing in Japan, but instead was just an extremely pleasant fellow to be around.
dempsey_k wrote:I have faith in one thing: you can't reduce people to their history.
Haddock wrote:I wouldn't know anything about that. I gave my soul up when I swore allegiance to the goddamn queen.
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