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Post #1 by PredsFan77 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:13 pm

Israel just bombed Syria
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Post #2 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:02 pm

Here are the guys fighting ISIS. Let's give them some guns.

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Post #4 by Pennywise » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:34 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Here are the guys fighting ISIS. Let's give them some guns.

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Here are their children. Load up the cruise missiles boys.

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Not even to mention, these people have American blood on their hands.



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Post #5 by PredsFan77 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:48 pm

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Post #7 by Pennywise » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:21 pm

dempsey_k wrote:There will be more and more of this. Saudi and the GCC won't stand for Takfiris doing the beheading THEY should be doing.

The Iranian militias are all talk and no fight right now, but interestingly they feel more secure threatening the Kurds than ISIS.


They are probably spooked the fuck out right now. They warned the cars/military trucks to stop but obviously, they didn't.

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Gives you an idea of what like Baghdad is like right now. You're supposed to keep the helmet on Kerry. Ever see Saving Private Ryan?

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Post #9 by Pennywise » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:31 am

We be drone striking according to BBC Arabic.

BBC: American drones are bombing targets in the Al-Quaem region, on the Iraq-Syria border
http://www.bbc.co.uk/arabic/middleeast/2014/06/140624_iraq_qaem_us_drone.shtml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=34.381448&lon=41.081400&z=14&m=b

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Apparently, the Syrian Air-Force was bombing targets in the same general area. And now the Pentagon is denying it was us. Probably bullshit Maliki sources.
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Post #12 by Pennywise » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:06 pm

Putin's hooking Maliki up with fighter jets. He loves putting more wood in the fire. This puts Obama in a bind. If our ultimate goal is to protect the US from outside terrorist attacks, I would completely lay low for now and let Maliki, Russia, Assad and Iran piss off the Islamist's to the point where it's too hipsterish to attack America.


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Post #13 by Ernie » Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:23 pm

uh, where are you getting the jsoc part from?
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Post #14 by Pennywise » Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:54 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Obama announces he's seeking $500 million to train/equip Syrian rebels to fight ISIS/Assad, with probable JSOC aid.


Maybe I am missing something here, but aren't we already training rebels? I guess this would make it official? And didn't this guy just call them farmers and dentists? Toppling Assad, a "fantasy". I really try to like Obama, but wtf. I guess he realizes the need for an actual proxy force.

The administration's budget request includes $1.5 billion for a "Regional Stabilization Initiative" in which the Syrian opposition would partner with neighboring countries Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Iraq.
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Post #15 by Pennywise » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:17 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Yes, a lot of this is just putting it on the books. But the rebels we've been training in the south around Deraa and such aren't enough. This, if Obama follows through with it, looks at helping rebels in the north as well. Still pretty sure it means bupkiss for the Kurds, which is sad.


I agree. We should be pumping money to the Kurds. They helped us with so much in the war and could be a very key ally these days. Why are we dicking around with them? They are a bright spot in a dark region.

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Post #16 by Pennywise » Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:19 pm

Is DuffelBlog bullshit?

https://twitter.com/DuffelBlog/status/482152318025334784

edit: I guess it's just sending clothing. Very misleading. Good trolling though. Fucking got me good.
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Post #17 by AD » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:44 pm

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Post #18 by Pennywise » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:51 pm

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Post #19 by Pennywise » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:26 pm

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Post #21 by Pennywise » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:50 am

dempsey_k wrote:Very interesting - both Suleimani and Rouhani are saying Maliki has to go, and increasingly Iraqi Shia and Khamenei look like they'll push him out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iraq-villagers-flee-militant-advance-in-north/2014/06/26/740fa8dc-fd0a-11e3-9b05-7ec49dc09d97_story.html


Yeah because they have already figured out who they want the next leader to be. They had a name, but I forgot it. Either way, no way in hell Iran accepts anything other then what they are looking for. They don't care about Maliki. They'll throw him off the bus easily for another puppet.

A senior Iranian general who met with Shiite politicians in Iraq during a 10-day visit this month returned home with a list of potential prime minister candidates for Iran’s leadership to consider, several senior Iraqi Shiite politicians who have knowledge of the general’s meetings told The Associated Press.


Soleimani, is expected to return within days to inform Iraqi politicians of Tehran’s favorite, they said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the internal deliberations.


This is how Iran operates. They are masters of subtle hegemony. Always playing both side of the coin as well.
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Post #22 by PredsFan77 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:08 pm

Is it necessary to say Mr. President Obama? Doesn't President Obama cover it?
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Post #23 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:02 pm

Shredder wrote:I agree. We should be pumping money to the Kurds.


Did you lose your mind.
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Post #24 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:15 pm

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Post #25 by Pennywise » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:15 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Did you lose your mind.


Did I ever have one? :pacman:

I'm not a seasoned vet at this like you and demps, but why not work closer with them to keep somewhat of a presence in whatever Iraq might become? They didn't cause this disaster and are willing to fight ISIS to the death.
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Post #26 by PredsFan77 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:39 pm

Russia needs those high oil prices.
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Post #27 by Ernie » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:50 am

PredsFan77 wrote:Russia needs those high oil prices.


The US will be an energy exporter soon, so they too like the high oil prices.
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Post #29 by PredsFan77 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:41 pm

Ernie wrote:The US will be an energy exporter soon, so they too like the high oil prices.


Yeah but the American economy doesn't come crashing down if oil goes below $95 p/b
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Post #30 by Pennywise » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:04 pm

Bow to Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri al-Samarrai aka Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

No more ISIS, now it's the Islamic State...only IS. Emir is Baghdadi. Caliphate declared.
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Post #31 by PredsFan77 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:13 pm

Osama is turning in the ocean over this news.
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Post #32 by Pennywise » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:27 pm

A couple of cruise missiles will take care of this shit. Too bad W is painting his dick right now.
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Post #33 by Pennywise » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:30 pm

I love you too Moose. Your jokes would be slightly better if they were accurate. 3/10. Had 5/10 potential. The moms basement joke was good in the 80s. Shit, maybe you are still stuck there with Jack. I think I'll take a peek in the Leafs board from now on. : )
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Post #35 by Ernie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:08 pm

You'd think this would paint a giant target on Baghdadi's head. It's a direct threat to everyone, but especially the Saudi monarchy. The Shiites might be a regional competitor to them, but this undermines their right to rule.
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Post #36 by Ernie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:15 pm

dempsey_k wrote:If this isn't actually more interesting than announcing the Caliphate, it's definitely a close 2nd:

iran and Qatar to cooperate against terror


Is it really that surprising? It's not like Qatar has been getting along with the other Sunni states in the region. They seem desperate to have influence but have been increasing irrelevant.
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Post #37 by Pennywise » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:39 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Will be interesting to see if Al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula, Al Qaeda in Islamic Maghreb, Al Shabaab, Boko Haraam, others pledge bayah. Doubtful if groups in AfPak do because of their closeness to AQC/Zawahiri, but some might and a war will spark up there.


Attacking a group that has brought this so called Caliphate to life wouldn't sit too well with many of those extremists. All other groups are now invalid. I think this was a really smart move on behalf of ISIS. They can use it as a shield and now declare an offensive Jihad (looking at you Saudi Arabia). Hopefully they kill each other. The one thing that worries me is AQ looking to gain some street cred back by attacking the US. We want them infighting, not both plotting attacks. This whole thing is fucked up. This is a sensitive issue that won't be solved by sending Iraq more Hellfire missiles. Core issues have to be addressed and that starts with paranoid Sunni's thinking the world is out to get them and the Gulf states pouring money into this. At this point, ISIS/AQ are more passionate about establishing this then we are about destroying it. I'll be watching Fox News tonight to hear how Obama should be impeached for allowing a Caliphate to be established.

Translation of the declaration:

http://myreader.toile-libre.org/uploads/My_53b039f00cb03.pdf
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Post #38 by Pennywise » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:00 pm

dempsey_k wrote:What IS says and reality are two different things.


I know, but we have to look at it through their scope. If you are a young impressionable future jihadist...why would you want to align yourself to any other group other then being influenced by someone close to home? They see something tangible in IS. What is AQ offering other then clinging on to 9/11 and the face of the franchise, bin Laden. Maybe I am overestimating IS power, but I think al-Qaeda as we know it might be done.
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Post #39 by Ernie » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:35 am

dempsey_k wrote:No change in Saudi/GCC policy: they've had a target on Baghdadi's head since formation of the IF.


Meh, up until now he was just a piece in the geopolitical puzzle. Not really a direct threat as long as he was focussing on killing Shiites and generally being a pest to their enemies. He's now an existential threat to their order.

Yes, it's surprising that two enemies in a proxy war are now pledging to cooperate whilst still supporting their proxies killing each other.


Heh, there are too many examples in history of this type of thing to be surprised, really.
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Post #40 by Ernie » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:15 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Nothing is new under the sun, that doesn't mean saying "not surprising" to express dominance over a subject renders the speed bumps any less of a jolt for you as well.


What?

Qatar has its fingers in every pot. They are attempting to provide the third way of geopolitics in the region, which are usually at odds with Iran and often at odds with their GCC co-members. In short, they are dilettantes. They are protected from internal threats by their great wealth and external threats by the large US military presence in their country. It's almost as if their foreign policy is designed to generate headlines for Al Jazeera.

So is some kind of (relatively meaningless) grand statement of cooperation with Iran all that surprising? Not really. If it was any other member of the GCC, sure, you'd have a point. But not Qatar.
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Post #41 by PredsFan77 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:02 pm

some israeli teens got killed, everyone into the bunker.
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