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Post #1001 by Ernie » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:21 am

Ebola would make a pretty good biological weapon. Drop it on ISIS territory and it wipes out most of the problem.
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Post #1002 by Ernie » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:39 am

Ha that's what they did in the middle ages, except they flung from catapults instead of dropped from planes.
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Post #1003 by Pennywise » Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:37 pm

Kataib al-Imam Ali: Portrait of an Iraqi Shiite Militant Group Fighting ISIS

On Sunday, Mr. Rouhani said the economy was in a bad state and that it could no longer be held hostage to an anti-American and anti-Western ideology and should be treated less ideologically. He also said that direct referendums must be organized so that ordinary Iranians could exercise more influence over important national decisions, like the nuclear deal.

Mr. Khamenei seemed to be answering those remarks, saying the nation had enjoyed great success, in contrast to the “wrong and uncalculated remarks that some make.”


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Post #1005 by Pennywise » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:45 pm

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Jan-10/283677-intelligence-shows-assad-building-nuclear-plant-report.ashx

Totally not a pretext for military action in Syria. Unnamed sources. All the major outlets pushing this story. Unbelievable.
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Post #1006 by Sturminator » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:24 am

Shredder wrote:http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Jan-10/283677-intelligence-shows-assad-building-nuclear-plant-report.ashx

Totally not a pretext for military action in Syria. Unnamed sources. All the major outlets pushing this story. Unbelievable.


Lol...you're right, it probably isn't a pretext for military action in Syria. If you're looking for a western regime mouthpiece to push a cooked-up story in prelude to a war, Der Spiegel is pretty much the last place you'd look. Der Spiegel was one of the publications that most harshly criticized the "yellow cake presentation" at the UN in the run-up to the Iraq war, for your edification. Germans aren't about invading foreign countries right now, nor are they feeling particularly friendly towards the Anglo-American intelligence community. If Der Spiegel broke this story, it is almost certainly because they believe it to be true.

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Post #1007 by Pennywise » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:51 am

Sturminator wrote:Lol...you're right, it probably isn't a pretext for military action in Syria. If you're looking for a western regime mouthpiece to push a cooked-up story in prelude to a war, Der Spiegel is pretty much the last place you'd look. Der Spiegel was one of the publications that most harshly criticized the "yellow cake presentation" at the UN in the run-up to the Iraq war, for your edification. Germans aren't about invading foreign countries right now, nor are they feeling particularly friendly towards the Anglo-American intelligence community. If Der Spiegel broke this story, it is almost certainly because they believe it to be true.

You can go back to wrapping your head in cellophane now.


Chill, I was being Alex Jones. My point was it's shameful major outlets would publish this bullshit. How dumb do they think their audiences are?

And you of all people know how slimy politicians try to use "unnamed sources" etc to push their political/military agendas. What's sick is the media goes right along with it.
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Post #1009 by zamboner » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:04 pm

Who cares. JeSuisCharlie
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Post #1010 by Pennywise » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:16 pm

Ok Col. Ralph Peters. Nuke all the Muslims.


Someone hacked CENTCOM as ISIS, but ISIS doesn't refer to themselves as ISIS. Even CENTCOMS YouTube page has been hacked. IS does not like when people refer to them as ISIS now.

I have Martin Dempseys info now though, which is cool.
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Post #1011 by Pennywise » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:27 pm

Sturminator wrote:Lol...you're right, it probably isn't a pretext for military action in Syria. If you're looking for a western regime mouthpiece to push a cooked-up story in prelude to a war, Der Spiegel is pretty much the last place you'd look. Der Spiegel was one of the publications that most harshly criticized the "yellow cake presentation" at the UN in the run-up to the Iraq war, for your edification. Germans aren't about invading foreign countries right now, nor are they feeling particularly friendly towards the Anglo-American intelligence community. If Der Spiegel broke this story, it is almost certainly because they believe it to be true.

You can go back to wrapping your head in cellophane now.


Neo-con scumbags already using it. https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/01/12/new-syria-threat-requires-u-s-action-nuclear-wmd-iran/

Encouraging regional ownership of the fight against the Islamic State
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Post #1012 by Pennywise » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:51 pm

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Canadian ISIS fighter who called for attacks in Canada reportedly killed near Kobane.

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Post #1014 by Pennywise » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:00 pm

The Islamic State’s offensive in Iraq: Can tribal unity prevail in the al-Anbar province?

The recent fall of the town of al-Wafa confirmed the Islamic State’s (IS) grip over the al-Anbar province. Some Anbari tribesmen are playing a key defensive role against the IS: members of the al-Bu Alwan and al-Bu Fahd tribes, both parts of the locally dominant Dulaim tribal confederation, are reported to be on the frontline in the ongoing battle of Ramadi.

General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has highlighted the crucial need for training and advising Anbari tribes. These uncohesive social groups gather several thousand fighters geographically scattered in a strategic area located between Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Baghdad. Their support is a crucial step in defeating the enemy. From 2006 to 2008, around 30,000 Anbari tribesmen had taken an active part in the struggle against AQI, motivated by tribal power dynamics, AQI’s extreme brutality and its competing money-making activities. American forces had skillfully played on local rivalries to target the Jihadist group and its own tribal allies. Will this successful experience be revived in the current struggle against the IS?

The Tribes between the IS and the ISF:

The Iraqi origins of the IS have greatly facilitated its territorial implantation. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of the organisation, is said to be a member of the al-Bu Badri tribe from the Iraqi province of Saladin, north of Baghdad. Drawing lessons from AQI’s excesses, which made it lose its base of popular support, the IS implemented a successful tribal approach which involved a sectarian emphasis on the Sunni identity, coupled with the provision of money, weapons and/or autonomy over local resources management. Strong feelings of discontent against the former government of Nouri al-Maliki were helpful in building active and passive support networks. Despite the initial success of the Anbar Salvation Council and its national implementation, the Awakening movements, fighters who actively contributed to the eviction of AQI were socio-economically and politically marginalised. This was a major source of resentment, further compounded in the predominantly Sunni province of al-Anbar by the Iraqi Shia-led central government’s repressive and sectarian policies.

The crucial issue of weapons increases these tensions, as members of Anbari tribes have complained about weak logistical support from Baghdad in their struggle against the IS. From Baghdad’s perspective, while empowering reliable tribes is an undoubtedly short-term asset, arming tribal entities without distinction could deal a serious blow to the stability and the unity of the Iraqi state. Recent meetings between new Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and Anbari tribal leaders in Jordan, however, reflect a spirit of increased engagement. Tactical partnerships between the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) and some tribes have also been noted. This was particularly relevant last summer, during the defence of the city of Haditha where members of the Jaghayfah tribe played a significant role. In the Fallujah district, information given by Faisal al-Esawi, one of the leaders of the al-Bu Esa tribe, confirmed ‘limited’ cooperation with the ISF, of which most members themselves have tribal bonds.

Effects of IS’ tribal victimization:

Exacerbating matters for IS is that its habit of targeting a growing number of tribes and clans on the basis of their opposition or perceived unreliability toward the organisation could well backfire. Tribal groups accused of collaboration with American forces have paid the highest price. According to Ghazi al-Kaoud, prominent leader of the hard-hit al-Bu Nimr tribe, the IS would lead a ‘policy of genocide’against al-Bu Nimr tribesmen. As the American-led counter-offensive gains momentum, it is difficult to assert whether the IS will intensify tribal outreach or if it will generalise repression. Local allegiances are known to depend on self-interested logics of power-maximisation, which could lead the IS to place greater reliance on enticement. On the other hand, military setbacks and the IS’ loss of self-confidence in its offensive capacities might break the cycle of incentives and cooperation. One-time allies and undecided factions could then be expected to take a firm anti-Jihadist stance, similar to what happened in the mid-2000s.

Prospects for a renewed alliance:

Restoring mutual bonds of trust is a challenging task, both with the government and between tribes. Ali Hatem al-Suleiman, head of the Dulaim tribal confederation and the Military Council of Anbar Tribal Revolutionaries (MCATR), has stated that a ‘tribal revolution’ is taking place in Al-Anbar, whose main objective would involve the granting of a larger degree of provincial autonomy, rather than the defeat of the IS which he says is a minor threat. By contrast, Ahmed Abu Risha, current leader of the ASC, considers that ‘al-Qaeda is the biggest problem’. Signs of tribal fragmentation are getting intense. In early November, the execution of at least 495 prisoners of the IS, all members of the al-Bu Nimr tribe from the town of Hit, were carried out by individuals belonging to the same tribe as well as other Anbari tribesmen.

A central issue is to determine whether the most influential groups have the will and the means to act together. The National Guard project is viewed to represent the hopes for the revival of the ASC and the Awakening movements. Aimed at creating a reaction force with a common purpose, this long-term initiative seeks to gather tribal fighters of diverse backgrounds, Peshmergas and Shiite armed forces into provincial armed militias, on a cross-tribal, ethnic and religious basis. An estimated 2,000 individuals would have volunteered in al-Anbar, but it is unclear how this top-down approach could overcome tribal parochialism given the many political and administrative obstacles involved, not to mention the lack of strong on-the-ground American support. Whether this strategy will successfully unite most Anbari tribes or if it will further increase Iraq’s fault lines, remains to be seen.
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Post #1015 by Pennywise » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:51 pm

“They told me that I was in a slaughterhouse and that I was going to leave in small pieces.”


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Post #1016 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:41 am



But get out of Ukraine, Putin.
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Post #1020 by Pennywise » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:16 pm

Why did Japan go to France for help? Doesn't Turkey make more sense? I think I've seen the one guy before a while ago, so their government definitely knew about him way before this.
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Post #1021 by Pennywise » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:05 pm

dempsey_k wrote:The Pesh have launched a multi pronged offensive on Mosul well ahead of schedule. They aren't going to attempt taking the city proper, and will leave that to the ISF, which can't take it, so I'm wondering what the fuck good this will do.



There was the one guy who was the nutcase parading around like Rambo who got caught, and then there was the journalist who pursued his story all too deeply into Syria.


Yeah, I am talking about Rambo who seems deeply mentally unstable. This is from all the way back in August.

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Ugh, I already see where this is headed.. U.S. Congress invites Netanyahu, Obama blindsided
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Post #1022 by Pennywise » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:04 pm

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• Gaddafi’s agents recorded MI5 as warning in September 2006 that the two countries’ agencies should take steps to ensure that their joint operations would never be “discovered by lawyers or human rights organisations and the media”.
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Post #1023 by Pennywise » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:10 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Saudi King Abdullah has died. Their new young virile ruler is King Salman who was born in 1935 and has dementia. He's on record as thinking Arabs are too unruly for democracy.


Some Shiites link Saudi king's health to end-times
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Post #1024 by PredsFan77 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:14 pm

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Post #1025 by Pennywise » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:32 am

Sunni's have no leader in the grand scheme of things. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is the most influential figure. Khameini is what he is, but he's a leader and puts out positive propaganda aimed at western kids. A part of me doesn't mind normalizing relations but it's looking shaky thanks to hardliners on both sides. Plus, Iran does flare up sectarian tension all over the middle east. I think they should start to reign in the Shiite militias in areas they hold. Not even something militarily tangible, like a troop reduction, a moral check regarding atrocities on civilians. Jalawla is another prime example.

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Post #1026 by Pennywise » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:40 am

dempsey_k wrote:The YPG has announced the liberation of Kobanê city. The villages and countryside throughout the Canton remain to be retaken, but they're asking for continued USAF help in doing so.

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Lot of Kurds hounding Hassan right now for saying this is a propaganda victory for IS. Not sure it was worth losing their best fighters in exchange for a bunch of green douches.


Half of Kobani is flattened and it took quite a while. Kurds had the mightiest air force behind them, it's lovely to see, but I wouldn't write a movie about it. Then again IS had tanks and all types of modern weapons.

Mission creep..http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/breaking-jan-26/article22633741/?cmpid=rss1
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Post #1027 by Pennywise » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:34 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Important for Kurdish consciousness. Before 2012, most Kurds never even heard of Kobanê, even other Rojava Kurds. Right now they're celebrating like the end of Return of the Jedi in Qamishlo, Amed, Van, Erbil, Kirkuk, and Slemani. This battle was a defining moment for Kurdistan becoming a reality.


For sure. I just think IS was fairly resilient in holding up despite being pounded by air strikes and heavy artillery from peshmerga.

Kurds have a lot to celebrate about though. Erdogan must be fuming. This was a bottomless pit for IS, so it will he interesting to see what they do with this newfound flexibility.
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Post #1028 by Pennywise » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:37 pm

Question for the Canadians. How do you feel about being on the ground getting into clashes with ISIS? Do you fear being sucked into a larger role?
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Post #1029 by Craig » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:59 pm

Shredder wrote:Question for the Canadians. How do you feel about being on the ground getting into clashes with ISIS? Do you fear being sucked into a larger role?


Nobody cares.
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Post #1030 by Sturminator » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:21 pm

mooseOAK wrote:What entity would be doing the sucking?


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Post #1031 by AD » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:56 pm

Craig wrote:Nobody cares.


Pretty much.

No bodybags yet. And even then...
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Post #1032 by Pennywise » Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:59 pm

AD wrote:Pretty much.

No bodybags yet. And even then...


For now it's meh, but the pace is picking up. Shit like this has happened in the Balkans etc as someone mentioned so for now I suppose it's no different. Just curious as to how my neighbors up north feel about the situation.

"After liberating some villages in northern Muqdadiya, a group of militias assaulted us and accused us of being IS members. After they restricted our movement, they began to blow up the large houses," said Salam Abdullah al-Jobouri, a Sunni tribal fighter.

An army major, a local official and a Sunni tribal leader confirmed the reports. The major said security forces were unable to stop the militias.


http://www.firstpost.com/world/iraqi-security-forces-recapture-villages-near-iran-border-2065379.html
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Post #1033 by Craig » Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:15 pm

Shredder wrote:For now it's meh, but the pace is picking up. Shit like this has happened in the Balkans etc as someone mentioned so for now I suppose it's no different. Just curious as to how my neighbors up north feel about the situation.



http://www.firstpost.com/world/iraqi-security-forces-recapture-villages-near-iran-border-2065379.html


The opposition and some papers are trying to make it a big deal, but it's not gaining any traction. People are just indifferent right now.
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Post #1034 by RTWAP » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:39 am

Shredder wrote:Question for the Canadians. How do you feel about being on the ground getting into clashes with ISIS? Do you fear being sucked into a larger role?


The thing about Canadians is they aren't particularly prideful about conflicts like that. If it all went sideways and we lost some of our troops then our public wouldn't be clamouring to make the bastards pay. We've got highly trained military personnel in a war zone. If they die then we bury them as heroes, mourn as we see fit, and move on. We don't let their deaths become a match that ignites a furious wave of revenge.
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Post #1035 by Craig » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:26 am

RTWAP wrote:The thing about Canadians is they aren't particularly prideful about conflicts like that. If it all went sideways and we lost some of our troops then our public wouldn't be clamouring to make the bastards pay. We've got highly trained military personnel in a war zone. If they die then we bury them as heroes, mourn as we see fit, and move on. We don't let their deaths become a match that ignites a furious wave of revenge.


Yeah, I kinda figure the guys in JTF2 know getting shot at is part of their job. Sucks if they die, but not really unexpected from time to time.
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Post #1036 by Sturminator » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:38 am

Meh...would have been much more economical to send a bunch of Quebecois to go poke around for explosives.
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Post #1037 by Dog » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:13 am

Mumu!

We gots a job for you!
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Post #1038 by IcE ColD » Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:31 pm

Dog wrote:Mumu!

We gots a job for you!


Dunno for Mumu, but I'm in only if the government provides me a hockey stick as a poking device. :colbert:
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Post #1039 by jester » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:18 am

Disproportionate. Heh.
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Post #1040 by Sturminator » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:46 am

dempsey_k wrote:[TWEET]560423232352694274[/TWEET]

That's the sound of the shit hitting the fan


Don't pull the thang out unless you plan to bang.
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Post #1041 by Pennywise » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:18 pm

Very interesting. Someone affiliated or traveling with the Japanese envoy the other day said they believe both the pilot and the Japanese hostage will leave with "smiles on their faces". Would be messed up if they left him to get beheaded.

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Post #1042 by Pennywise » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:43 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Looks like both Israel and Hezbollah are simmering down. Hezbollah for their own good, Israel because they'd like to keep Assad in power.

Meanwhile, the Tehran-backed and led Shi'a militias that the U.S. is happy to supply and provide air cover for just massacred 72 Sunnis:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/29/uk-mideast-crisis-iraq-killings-idUKKBN0L20GC20150129


Whats most troubling about it..

Other witnesses told Reuters that soldiers stood by helplessly, some crying, as the militias executed civilians.


Someone sent me a 5 minute video of the aftermath. US should make sure to address this to shed light on this. This is their boots on the ground. Sunni civilians at one point called for some type of US protection against Badr militia.

ISIS today stormed a Shia village near Barwana killing many civilians in revenge.
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