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Post #101 by PPJ » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:27 am

Big#D wrote:craig's house wouldn't be hit by that, but i'm guessing if craig's renovated place were to sell in say five years, it'd be just under half that amount.

and 20k extra on the sale of a home is a lot. especially when the city's land transfer tax under the current amount is already 40k. 60k in total could make you go from making a decent profit to losing your shirt on selling your home.


Eat the rich D.

That said, I don't think to many houses sell at that level. Doesn't seem like that big of an overall revenue producer.
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Post #102 by Craig » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:30 am

Big#D wrote:craig's house wouldn't be hit by that, but i'm guessing if craig's renovated place were to sell in say five years, it'd be just under half that amount.

and 20k extra on the sale of a home is a lot. especially when the city's land transfer tax under the current amount is already 40k. 60k in total could make you go from making a decent profit to losing your shirt on selling your home.


Yeah, having a $2 million house still means you're rich, even in Toronto. My house is like a third of that.
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Post #103 by PPJ » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:40 am

Craig wrote:Yeah, having a $2 million house still means you're rich, even in Toronto. My house is like a third of that.


My house is worth more than Craig's :chicken:
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Post #104 by Ernie » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:41 am

Psycho Papa Joe wrote:Believe it or not, most Torontonians believe in the basic Ford message. Too much tax and expenses are too high. Not suprising that the two right wing candidates are pulling in about 65% combined support. Now if that 30% that support Ford, would come to their senses and throw with Tory, who in essense stands for alot of what they believe in, Toronto might have a respectable mayor for a change.


It's weird, but that message might be somewhat accurate. Taxes are about double in Toronto as they are in Vancouver. Toronto is on the hook for more things, like some transit and social housing related stuff, but it's hard to figure out how that doubles the taxation levels.
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Post #105 by Craig » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:50 am

Ernie wrote:It's weird, but that message might be somewhat accurate. Taxes are about double in Toronto as they are in Vancouver. Toronto is on the hook for more things, like some transit and social housing related stuff, but it's hard to figure out how that doubles the taxation levels.


Vancouver has by far the lowest taxes of any major Canadian municipality. Toronto is actually considerably below the national average.

Big#D wrote:yeah, but then you raise property taxes, so that you get that money over time.

if you raise the land transfer tax for rich people, it becomes an impediment to sales. it also has a trickle down impact on lower end homes in that people wanting to move up are going to be blocked because the people above them are less willing to sell. fewer sales equates to higher housing prices, which in turn squeezes out the lower end home buyers. and those people would be renting instead, increasing the demand for rental properties, which also increases the prices of rents.

olivia chow's platform to tax the rich would also have a negative impact of the poor, the people who she thinks she's championing.


600 home sales in the region in the last couple of years with that value. It wouldn't impact the lower end at all.
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Post #106 by PPJ » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:52 am

Craig wrote:Vancouver has by far the lowest taxes of any major Canadian municipality. Toronto is actually considerably below the national average.



600 home sales in the region in the last couple of years with that value. It wouldn't impact the lower end at all.


Well that's just bad policy. Pissing off people with money for a mere 6mil in revenue is just dumb. No wonder Tory's support is increasing at her expense.
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Post #107 by mayoradamwest » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:57 am

Not sure I trust municipal polls. Ford voters seem like the most likely to answer a poll, but then it's tricky.
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Post #108 by Ernie » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:58 am

You shouldn't really trust any polls. Methodology is fucked in this day and age.

What you can do is look at polls put out by a polling firm using the same methodology to look for trends. But the top line numbers are ass more often than not.

Polling averages are better, or a weighted model like Nate Silver's. But you need a lot more polls in the field for those to work.
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Post #109 by habfan4 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:08 pm

mayoradamwest wrote:Not sure I trust municipal polls. Ford voters seem like the most likely to answer a poll, but then it's tricky.


Normally I'd be inclined to agree. However given the carnival barker antics of the Ford brothers I think the polling might be accurate this time out. Ford voters might be more likely to answer polls but people who are fed up with Mayor crackhead are equally motivated.
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Post #110 by Craig » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:30 pm

Psycho Papa Joe wrote:Well that's just bad policy. Pissing off people with money for a mere 6mil in revenue is just dumb. No wonder Tory's support is increasing at her expense.


Meh, she had been criticized for getting away from her base. So far she's mostly pandered to the middle and her support has evaporated. So now she's veering left and hoping there are enough votes there to top the Tory/Ford split.
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Post #112 by Craig » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:47 pm

Ford made 14 transit promises in the last election and kept none of them. At least he's not pretending corporations will pay for it all this time around.
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Post #113 by clawfirst » Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:59 pm

So far bobert has indeed lied to me the best about solving transit/congestion...

uh oh
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Post #114 by habfan4 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:09 pm

I think we should extend the Yonge subway line all the way to the Ring of Fire. We could get a mining company to pay the freight. It's win-win.
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Post #115 by Craig » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:14 pm

Underground the whole way. Can't have Magnetewan operating on a two-tier transit system.
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Post #116 by Craig » Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:39 pm

It's easy enough to do, you just have to confuse Magnetewan the town with Magnetewan the river or the lake and you've basically got it.

I can't remember who it was, but that was here.
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Post #117 by mayoradamwest » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:57 pm

Ernie wrote:You shouldn't really trust any polls. Methodology is fucked in this day and age.

What you can do is look at polls put out by a polling firm using the same methodology to look for trends. But the top line numbers are ass more often than not.

Polling averages are better, or a weighted model like Nate Silver's. But you need a lot more polls in the field for those to work.


Yeah, I like 308.com but when you average municipal numbers it's kinda.. Meh. I guess Toronto is better to do than elsewhere.
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Post #118 by clawfirst » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:09 pm

whenever they auto poll me on the phone I have been pressing Tory's buttons. though I may just spoil or decline another god damn ballot.

polls are stupid.
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Post #119 by AD » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:36 pm

Psycho Papa Joe wrote:My house is worth more than Craig's :chicken:


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Post #120 by Ernie » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:08 am

mayoradamwest wrote:Yeah, I like 308.com but when you average municipal numbers it's kinda.. Meh. I guess Toronto is better to do than elsewhere.


The guy who runs it is no Nate Silver. Kinda funny watching him make justifications for blowing provincial elections.

But even then, Silver came up with a huge turd when he tried to build a model for the UK election. His tactics don't work very well when it comes to multipolar parliamentary systems.
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Post #121 by Fruity Pebbles » Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:39 am

How dare you criticize the greatness that is Nate Silver.
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Post #122 by Craig » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:13 am

So I took the time to look into my local riding today. It's actually a pretty interesting race. OK fine, a relatively interesting race. Slightly more interesting than nothing.

The incumbent is Paula Fletcher. She's a NDP crony who has held the riding ever since Jack Layton left. Basically everything you would assume comes along with that is true. She opposed the pedestrian link to the Island airport, which is a minus for me. She's also widely seen as one of the more partisan members of city hall, I think she's part of the cohort that's just as responsible for the gridlock at city hall as the far right are. She also walked uninvited into my house one day when Claw and I were there and I really didn't enjoy interacting with her at all. I want to turf her.

Her top challenger is Liz West. She lost the election last time around by like 300 votes. She's a relative political newcomer, who is more famous for being an entertainment reporter and TV personality. She makes a big deal out of promoting herself as an independent, but really she's right-leaning in general. Not as crazy as the Ford clan though, I think. Her main talking points seem to be making connected bike paths (good), getting a law on the books that once a transit project is approved council can't change it (I want to think this is bad, but Toronto has such a long history of scrapping started transit projects to our detriment it seems necessary now) and the normal shitting all over the incumbents and partisan garbage at city hall. She's also a bit of a fox.

Then there's Jane Farrow. Author, LBGT activist, radio host and executive director of Jane's Walk. She's very progressive and she's coming at Fletcher from the left, basically saying she's only running because it looks like West is going to beat Fletcher, so she wants to give the left a place to vote that has a chance at winning. Her big thing seems to be urban planning, she talks a lot about working with developers to make sure things like green spaces, bike lanes and walkability make it into development planning (good). Her campaign seems totally devoid of actual positions though. I get the sense she likes bike lanes and is a big community-type, but I don't get the feeling there's much in the way of actual vision there.

I think I'm going to vote for West. I'm a little worried that she's too green and will end up out of her depth, but the upside of a rational centrist is too good to ignore. Plus she's cute, which is nice.
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Post #123 by Craig » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:34 am

Big#D wrote:doesn't "coming from the left" and wanting "to give the left a place to vote that has a chance at winning" contradict one another in that she's essentially just splitting the left of centre vote even further?


Pretty much. But the left vote is pretty big in this riding, so it's possible that she could win if she takes back the "center" from West, which is actually left-leaning, and decimate Fletcher's support from her base. It's actually a lot like John Tory running against Ford in the main campaign, just with left and right switched.
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Post #124 by habfan4 » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:47 am

I'm in Ward 28 - Toronto Centre. Incumbent is Pam McConnell who I can't fucking stand and who unfortunately wins by a landslide. The demographics of the Ward have changed somewhat so perhaps Howard Bortenstein (her only challenger with any kind of name recognition) might have a shot at unseated her.
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Post #125 by Murphy » Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:16 pm

I wish it was as simple as when I was in Quebec and only had to vote Liberal.
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Post #127 by zamboner » Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:08 pm

Kristyn Wong-Tam will likely get my vote. I have met with her a few times and she knows development in an Adam Vaughan kind of way. She's a mean Asian lesbian who likes to milk developers for Section 37 funds.

John Tory is the poster boy for Nepotism. He has been handed things his whole like, and forgive me for not being in awe of him running the most hated company in Canada. And "Smart-track" sucks balls.

Socknacki is my guy: a pragmatic technocrat who knows the ins and outs of the municipal bureaucracy and budget. Unfortunately a Nenshi-like surge is unlikely, so I will have to hold my nose and vote for Tory or Chow. Chow's campaign has been abysmal though....
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Post #128 by Craig » Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:11 pm

I'm not a fan of the smartrack proposal either. Sucks, I really want to vote for Tory but I think his transit plan is the worst, only because he favours that over the DRL. So I guess I'm for Chow now? Ugh.
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Post #129 by habfan4 » Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:18 pm

Socknacki is unfortunately unelectable. Not surprising that he appeals to broads voters - Deputy Mayor perhaps?

Tory may be a lacklustre candidate but he's miles better than Ford and/or Chow. Ford is a fucking tool and Chow is way too polarizing to effectively build consensus and manage City Hall.
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Post #130 by Craig » Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:59 pm

Big#D wrote:isn't smart track or whatever just an integrated go train service?

i still think the best way to go is for metrolinx to take over the ttc and integrate it with the go train service completely. and from there expand go train service beyond the gta as needed.

i like the concept in some european cities where you have zones. you pay one price to travel within your zone. each time you go into another zone, you pay for the trip in that zone.


Yeah, more or less. As I understand it it's basically just some enhanced regional rail. It's not a bad idea on it's own, but it's also something the province has already committed to building without us and it's not really designed to solve the same problem as a downtown relief line. Basically all you're doing is adding some more trains on the GO tracks and having them stop a few more times inside the city.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/06/01/why_john_torys_smarttrack_isnt_so_smart.html

My only problem with his plan is he's scrapping the DRL in favour of it. The DRL is designed to get people off the Bloor and Younge lines. It's not about getting people in from the burbs and other municipalities, like anything on the GO line would be, it's about getting some relief to the people in the city who are already using lines that are 30% over their designed capacity. We need both systems.

I'm leery of Tory's funding model too.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/john-torys-smarttrack-why-his-big-bet-on-transit-is-a-real-risk/article20177429/

I also wish he (or Chow) were open to the idea of tolls for commuters to pay for the work that needs doing on the DVP. It's too bad that Soknacki and Stintz were the only ones willing to even consider that.

Come to think of it, I also think Tory has the Scarborough extension wrong. I'd much rather go back to light rail there and use the billion bucks we save on something else. Especially if Scarborough is also getting the smarttrack thing.
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Post #131 by habfan4 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:47 am

I look forward to Ford trying to plead the fifth. No doubt the judge and/or the Crown will have to explain to him that there is no such provision for witnesses (only for those charged with an offence) under Canadian law.
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Post #132 by discostu » Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:00 pm

habfan4 wrote:I look forward to Ford trying to plead the fifth. No doubt the judge and/or the Crown will have to explain to him that there is no such provision for witnesses (only for those charged with an offence) under Canadian law.


I'm expecting him to say he can't speak to that because it's before the courts. When pressed, he'll say he's already addressed that, and the past is the past. Subways.
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Post #133 by PPJ » Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:02 pm

zamboner wrote:
John Tory is the poster boy for Nepotism. He has been handed things his whole like, and forgive me for not being in awe of him running the most hated company in Canada. And "Smart-track" sucks balls.
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He ran Bell Canada too?
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Post #134 by WTF » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:57 pm

Transplanted Caper wrote:Rob Ford got a subpoena to appear at Sandro Lisi's trial.

:ford_stare: :ford_stare:


He'll claim he can't remember because any and all alleged events occurred during one of his numerous drunken stupors.
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Post #135 by habfan4 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:57 pm

Mike Tyson endorses Rob Ford

Huh, I didn't think it could get any weirder.
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Post #136 by Craig » Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:06 pm

Did he for real endorse Ford, or is this like that time Ford said Ben Johnson and [s]Ricky[/s] Sam Tarasco from the Trailer Park Boys endorsed him when they really didn't?
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Post #137 by WTF » Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:33 pm

Are they sure it's a tumor and not just a balloon full of cocaine he's smuggling?
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Post #138 by IcE ColD » Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:46 pm

Transplanted Caper wrote:As I am a decent human being, I did not laugh at that. Really. I didn't. I swear.


Then why are you crossing your fingers behind your back?
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Post #139 by mayoradamwest » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:27 am

Arnold has gotten skeptical of all Rob Ford claims.

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Post #140 by senate » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:58 pm

Transplanted Caper wrote:Doug Ford now running for Mayor. Rob will run in his old Ward in Etobicoke.


That's good news for the city. Logically, a dealer should be a better administrator than a user.
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Post #141 by MP » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:59 pm

senate wrote:That's good news for the city. Logically, a dealer should be a better administrator than a user.


Albeit, with less vision(s)....
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Post #142 by mayoradamwest » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:24 pm

Didn't they already have a nephew who changed his name to Ford so he could win that seat?
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Post #143 by Walrus » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:29 pm

mayoradamwest wrote:Didn't they already have a nephew who changed his name to Ford so he could win that seat?


Yeah, RoFo just booted his nephew Mikey out of the council race.

Never a dull moment with this family.
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Post #144 by mayoradamwest » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:32 pm

Lol, Scarborough.

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