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Post #1 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:56 pm

Tonight's going to be pretty busy for our CHL prospects, with Hamilton, Kitchener, Sault Ste. Marie, Sarnia, and Val-d'Or all playing tonight.

Hart remains with the Flyers (I believe), while Rubtsov was just recently returned to his junior club.

It's going to be a fun year this time around.
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Post #2 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:34 pm

How do you guys rate the young D in terms of potential? Something like Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Ghost, Hagg, Morin?
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Post #3 by Hovercraft » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:26 pm

Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:How do you guys rate the young D in terms of potential? Something like Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Ghost, Hagg, Morin?


I would probably rank: Provorov, Sanheim, Ghost, Myers, Morin, Hagg. But it depends how you grade offensive and defensive potential, they all have unique skill sets and ceilings but if 4 or 5 of them reach their potential, we could have a crazy good defensive core. Or trade bait if we need more forwards eventually. Imagine 2 PP units, one with Provorov-Ghost as qbs and one with Sanheim-Myers.
Then there are still wildcards like Friedman, who could surprise after some pro seasoning.
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Post #4 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:56 am

Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:How do you guys rate the young D in terms of potential? Something like Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Ghost, Hagg, Morin?


Provorov
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Sanheim
Myers
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Ghost
Morin
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Hagg
Freidman

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Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:How do you guys rate the young D in terms of potential? Something like Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Ghost, Hagg, Morin?


I would probably rank: Provorov, Sanheim, Ghost, Myers, Morin, Hagg. But it depends how you grade offensive and defensive potential, they all have unique skill sets and ceilings but if 4 or 5 of them reach their potential, we could have a crazy good defensive core. Or trade bait if we need more forwards eventually. Imagine 2 PP units, one with Provorov-Ghost as qbs and one with Sanheim-Myers.
Then there are still wildcards like Friedman, who could surprise after some pro seasoning.

I'm gonig to flip shit if Hextall trades D for forwards, unless he's targeting a franchise talent. Otherwise, you're taking a hit in value.
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Post #5 by JLHockeyKnight » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:40 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:
Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:How do you guys rate the young D in terms of potential? Something like Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Ghost, Hagg, Morin?


Provorov
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Sanheim
Myers
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Ghost
Morin
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Hagg
Freidman

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Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:How do you guys rate the young D in terms of potential? Something like Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Ghost, Hagg, Morin?


I would probably rank: Provorov, Sanheim, Ghost, Myers, Morin, Hagg. But it depends how you grade offensive and defensive potential, they all have unique skill sets and ceilings but if 4 or 5 of them reach their potential, we could have a crazy good defensive core. Or trade bait if we need more forwards eventually. Imagine 2 PP units, one with Provorov-Ghost as qbs and one with Sanheim-Myers.
Then there are still wildcards like Friedman, who could surprise after some pro seasoning.

I'm gonig to flip shit if Hextall trades D for forwards, unless he's targeting a franchise talent. Otherwise, you're taking a hit in value.


It really depends on how that D core starts to pan out. I mean, the offense has been struggling to score goals this preseason and they struggled last year. You gotta give a little to get a little. Our defense can be the best in the league but they aren't lifting the Cup if they can't score goals. If a good opportunity comes up to Hextall, I trust he'll properly assess it and make the right call.

I wouldn't expect anything soon though. All of those defenders are all reasonable cap hits, and if Morin and Hagg get extended next season it won't be a huge pay increase. So there is no reason to move them now unless a really good deal comes their way..
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Post #6 by GoneFullHextall » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:46 pm

I think one of the kids could be traded at some point. But now is not the time. This group isn't ready to contend yet.
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Post #7 by jester » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:38 am

The Nolan Patrick arrival through dumb luck significantly decreased the pressure to "fix" the forwards, hopefully. If he, Konecny, Lindblom, and a couple other guys can make an impact in the next year or two, we will be more than fine. Giroux needs to transition to a slightly less demanding role (move to wing might help), but he should remain a PP force for a while yet.
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Post #8 by Kilgore Trout » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:47 pm

I really like the idea of Giroux on the wing.
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Post #9 by vonbonds » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:24 pm

My son needs it to work. Giroux is by far his favorite player even though I’m trying to get him on the Provorov train
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Post #10 by DeadPhish » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:24 pm

Last night he wasn't playing it very well. I guess he forgot he was supposed to be on the wing and not center.
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Post #11 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:42 pm

I'm honestly most excited to see Couturier potentially with two legit line-mates in Giroux and Voracek. Konecny-Couturier-Voracek was our only good line early last year so they broke them up to attempt to get other's going, would love to see Coots get legit 1st line minutes with G and Voracek. Wonder if we get the final roster Saturday because of Hak saying he wanted the last game to be a dress rehearsal.

I know this is years off, but I'm just curious what others think. If the roster stays the same Couturier has to be the favorite after Giroux for the C, no? Only other young player that comes to mind is Provorov.
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Post #12 by Kilgore Trout » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:37 am

Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:I know this is years off, but I'm just curious what others think. If the roster stays the same Couturier has to be the favorite after Giroux for the C, no? Only other young player that comes to mind is Provorov.


Completely projecting, but unless things get fucked up Patrick is probably the leader in that conversation.
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Post #13 by CantSeeColors » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:51 am

Hagg seems like a good leader based on what he just yelled to Macdonald. He's got my vote
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Post #14 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:56 am

Strome - 3rd star of the game, 1 goal
Ratcliffe - 3rd star of the game, 1 goal and 1 assist (5 shots on goal)
Frost - 3 minor penalties
Hart - 1st star of the game, .921 save percentage, 2/3 shooters stopped in the shootout
Kosorenkov - 2nd star of the game, 1 goal and 1 assists
Laberge - 3rd star of the game, 1 goal (4 shots on goal)
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Post #15 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:01 am

Kilgore Trout wrote:
Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:I know this is years off, but I'm just curious what others think. If the roster stays the same Couturier has to be the favorite after Giroux for the C, no? Only other young player that comes to mind is Provorov.


Completely projecting, but unless things get fucked up Patrick is probably the leader in that conversation.

I would hate fuck that idea into oblivion given the chance.

Provorov or bust.

And if anyone wants to know the rationale, I don't believe your leading scorer should be put in front of the media after every game to answer for something he may have zero control over, adding pressure to a situation when you could have easily avoided it. Provorov is very direct in all the interviews I've read, and the media won't be able to latch onto offensive production for soundbytes because he's a two-way defenseman who can always fall back on the fact others are counted on to produce; his job is to defend.
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Post #16 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:50 am

The developmental curve of Sam Morin, Darnell Nurse, and Nikita Zadorov has been really interesting to follow, IMO. Very similar size and skillsets between the three, but very different personalities, and three different paths. Nikita, the Diva, came on the quickest, but also fell out of favor with his organization, and is still struggling to find a place on a basement-dweller with a need for defensemen. Darnell, the best all-around athlete between the three, came on a bit quicker than Morin, and is looking like a pro with an Oilers squad that's found religion in McDavid. And, we've got Morin, the largest, most aggressive defender who's looking like a pro on a roster that has plenty of competition amongst the young defenders. I don't think any of these guys are looking like the next Weber, but like I said it has been interesting.
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Post #17 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:14 am

Ratcliffe had an assist tonight, along with 8 shots on goal - good enough for 2nd star of the game.

Rubtsov had an assist, which was apparently good enough for 3rd star of his game.

After a bit of perusing around the internet, reports confirm Carter Hart has a pretty serious case of mondo-dong. https://www.heraldnet.com/sports/everet ... ral-swing/
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Post #18 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:27 am

Morgan Frost had a goal, two assists, and was named second star of the night last night.


And for those paying extra close attention, with Hart away, Everett's netminders are killing them. Lunding's GAA is 3.36 and Dumba's a 4.44. So, I don't think we need to worry about Everett padding Hart's stats...
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Post #19 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:38 am

Quick update:

Morgan Frost was second star of the game Friday night with a goal and two assists, though he was murdered in the faceoff circle (9/24).

Matt Strome was first star of the game Saturday with an assist, which I think is always a positive sign.

Carter Hart was still out as of Saturday I believe. It looks like they're sitting one of the gruesome two-some for rookie Blake Lyda, a fourth-round draft pick.
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Post #20 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:02 pm

Myers' first professional goal!

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