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Post #1601 by jester » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:04 am

FlyHigh wrote:They really should go after Quenneville. I know it was a 3-0-1 road-trip, but they beat 2 teams that are in complete disarray and then got significantly outplayed in their last 2 against actual, good teams (Pickard/luck was the only reason they won last night).


I doubt it happens, but he's worth paying attention to, for sure. I'd be curious how interested he'd be in coming in mid-season this year. He has a contract that pays him $6M/year through next year. So, you would have to at least match that (financially not a huge problem for the Flyers).
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Post #1602 by FlyHigh » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:08 am

Yeah, I don't think the Flyers have the core of those Blackhawks teams circa 2007-2008, but I don't think they're a million miles away either, particularly if Patrick keeps going gangbusters.

You said it yesterday, but his d-zone work is increasingly impressive, if they can go Patrick-Couturier down the middle as top-level 2-way guys for the next few years, that'll be quite nice. It seems like every game now he has a couple times where he'll just run a guy down, take the puck, and then go on his way.
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Post #1603 by jester » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:12 am

The core question with Patrick is whether he can ascend to "franchise" status. At the very least, he looks like a guy that can be Couturier-esque in terms of value ... but, of course, he also looks a lot better offensively that Couturier did when he first showed up. When all of these young guys start to peak, we should be very tough to play against. It will be a question of how high that peak is in some cases, and whether the depth follows in behind them.

How this team is playing come spring is going to be a thing to watch closely. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these young guys get comfortable, and start to really perform.
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Post #1604 by FlyHigh » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:09 pm

Yeah it'll be interesting, my (vague) impression is that Patrick's ceiling might be something along the lines of a Toews-level player (Toews ordinary-course ES point production has been generally in the mid-40s). Whether or not Toews is truly a "franchise" forward is an interesting question, there's probably a decent argument that his status has been boosted by supporting cast+winning.

There seems to be a lot riding on Myers right now. I'm a big Sanheim fan and think he should be playing more, but have some sympathy for the argument that he's never going to be a guy that excels defensively and should be treated accordingly. Considering that Ghost falls into a similar bucket, that kind of leaves it on Myers as far as guys left in the system who can keep their heads above water on the offensive end and then be strong players in their own zone.
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Post #1605 by jester » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:32 pm

FlyHigh wrote:Yeah it'll be interesting, my (vague) impression is that Patrick's ceiling might be something along the lines of a Toews-level player (Toews ordinary-course ES point production has been generally in the mid-40s). Whether or not Toews is truly a "franchise" forward is an interesting question, there's probably a decent argument that his status has been boosted by supporting cast+winning.

There seems to be a lot riding on Myers right now. I'm a big Sanheim fan and think he should be playing more, but have some sympathy for the argument that he's never going to be a guy that excels defensively and should be treated accordingly. Considering that Ghost falls into a similar bucket, that kind of leaves it on Myers as far as guys left in the system who can keep their heads above water on the offensive end and then be strong players in their own zone.


If Morin gets healthy and back on track, he may mitigate these things a bit. His injury bug has been a real bummer.
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Post #1606 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:40 pm

His upside is incredible, but the likelihood of Morin ever reaching it is so far from being based in reality that it's not even worth contemplating. That's why if the Flyers were to lose out on any of their prospects, I'll be glad it's him. But, mostly because of the role stay-at-home defensemen have in the league today.
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Post #1607 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:09 pm

Terrible goal against.
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Post #1608 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:20 pm

On pace for 308 goals against...
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Post #1609 by Hovercraft » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:34 pm

So should we start Lyon at this point? Our goaltending is a farce haha.
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Post #1610 by CantSeeColors » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:26 pm

Hovercraft wrote:So should we start Lyon at this point? Our goaltending is a farce haha.

No.
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Post #1611 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:57 pm

Pretty nice win especially considering it was a day game
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Post #1612 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:18 pm

Day games and games against back-up goaltenders scare the ever-loving piss out of me. So, yeah, today's game was a nice little surprise (even though Chicago's kind of a mess this season.)
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Post #1613 by chaosof99 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:47 pm

First period was pretty awful though. Still a decent win, but yeah, Chicago is a mess.
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Post #1614 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:37 pm

Voracek is so fucking frustrating to watch at times, his good obviously outweighs his bad though.
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Post #1615 by Hovercraft » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:39 pm

Awful PP so far.
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Post #1616 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:40 pm

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Post #1617 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:41 pm

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Post #1618 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:45 pm

The Flyers have been around forever it feels like; yet, Chris Therien sits at 5th overall in games played for this organization. I don't get it.

Other Nonsensical Factoids:
1. Barret Jackman sits at 2nd (!) overall for games played with the St. Louis Blues. (The Franchise's leader is Bernie Federko with 927.)
2. Matty Norstrom sits at 8th overall for games played with the Los Angeles Kings.
3. Brooks Orpik sists at 7th overall for games played with the Pittsburgh Penguins.

What's most surprising was seeing Don Sweeney at number 3 for the Boston Bruins with 1052 games played. The only other Original Six outlier might be Kris Draper for the Red Wings, but that you can at least understand. There's some logic behind it. He helped get them a Cup, so he gets some legacy credibility. Don Sweeney is just... It's fucking Don Sweeney, man! I don't know what to say. He's like Chris Therien if you stripped away the only notable thing about him - his height.
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Post #1619 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:45 pm

Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:Voracek is so fucking frustrating to watch at times, his good obviously outweighs his bad though.

His interviews?
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Post #1620 by vonbonds » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:24 am

I’ll be at the game tomorrow with my boy. The weather better not be bad.
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Post #1621 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:06 pm

Lame duck prediction for the end of this season: Flyers miss the playoffs, and Hakstol gets fired.
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Post #1622 by DeadPhish » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:13 pm

I bet $5 on this game so I hope they win.
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Post #1623 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:33 pm

Jesus Christ, 5'11", 190lb, 3rd-round pick "Joey Anderson" has to be the most forgettable NHL player of all-time. Glad to meet your acquaintance, and we hope you enjoyed your experience:

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Post #1624 by FlyHigh » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:47 pm

Jeez, 3 posts and counting. We’re getting very close to the “Robert Hagg really shouldn’t be playing top-pairing” conversation, he’s been turnstiled 2-3x in this period alone.
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FlyHigh wrote:Jeez, 3 posts and counting. We’re getting very close to the “Robert Hagg really shouldn’t be playing top-pairing” conversation, he’s been turnstiled 2-3x in this period alone.

I like Hagg for what he is - a bottom-pairing defenseman. If the coach decides to play him in a top-4 role, that's on the coach. Not the player. #FuckRandyJones.Fuckhiminhisstupidface.
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Post #1626 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:18 pm

As a red-haired devil, I'd like to take a moment and point out that, even though less than 2% of Earth's human population is currently made up by red-heads, we've been dominating Flyers' hockey for a decade now:

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And to a lesser extent...

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Post #1627 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:25 pm

We're getting shut-out by the Brodeur and Stevnes-less Devils?!?!?

Really, Hak? You fucking putz.
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Post #1628 by FlyHigh » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:29 pm

In his defense, I dunno if I can remember a game where one team hit four (4!) posts. They really outplayed the Devs, but hockey is stupid sometimes.
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Post #1629 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:54 pm

Hockey is stupid sometimes. But so is asking your players to "sack up" and play "heavy" rather than following what the data's telling you, which is what you're doing is fucking stupid. Be. Fucking. Smarter.
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Post #1630 by vonbonds » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:27 am

I can tell you from being there last night the Flyers completely outplayed the Devils. That’s how it goes sometimes. Also Joey Anderson has captained every team he’s played on including his college and WJC squad. He’ll fill out and be a Jamie Langenbrunner type.
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Post #1631 by JLHockeyKnight » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:35 am

Between a six hour commute home from snow and getting the kids to bed, I missed most of the game. Caught the second goal then just went to bed.
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Post #1632 by Hovercraft » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:31 pm

Hagg is fine, not his fault we only have 2 top 4 quality dmen. I don't like Provorov and Ghost together either so somebody has to play with them. Sanheim almost there but he's not really an ideal partner for Prov or Ghost either at this point.
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Post #1633 by FlyHigh » Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:06 pm

I'd throw Sanheim in, particularly with Provorov, and tell Provorov to relax and focus on the simple stuff. I wonder if one of the reasons he's struggling is because Hagg is fairly limited in transitioning the puck and Provorov ends up trying to do too much.

Also, got stuck at work and just checked Phantoms' box score, way too early to push the panic button, but the "Carter Hart potential midseason savior" storyline has really fallen apart, 3 GA on 8 shots tonight.
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Post #1634 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:17 pm

Elliott is going to be out for about two weeks, and Neuvirth is already on the shelf for the rest of eternity. So, maybe doing nothing to improve the goaltending situation wasn't the right play after all.


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Post #1635 by Hovercraft » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:21 pm

Pickard is trash, give Lyon a shot

I think the issue with Provorov and Sanheim is that they are both LD. Which one do you put on their offside?
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Post #1636 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:27 pm

Hovercraft wrote:Pickard is trash, give Lyon a shot

I think the issue with Provorov and Sanheim is that they are both LD. Which one do you put on their offside?

You ask them who would feel more comfortable. I know it's crazy, but if you're the coach you can ask those kinds of questions.

I'm hoping we claim Schenn off waivers. The PK's really taken a hit since he left.
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Post #1637 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:22 pm

Does a 33% kill-rate while on the penalty-kill improve this team's metrics or hurt them?
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Post #1638 by Hovercraft » Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:54 pm

Very Flyers ending to that game.
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Games Played
1. Bobby Clarke 1144
2. Bill Barber 903
3. Brian Propp 790
4. Claude Giroux 762

Assists
1. Bobby Clarke 852
2. Claude Giroux 485

Points
1. Bobby Clarke 1210
2. Bill Barber 883
3. Brian Propp 849
4. Claude Giroux 706

Goals
1. Mark Howe 138
2. Eric Desjardins 93
3. Tom Bladon 67
4. Behn Wilson 59
5. Bob Dailey 56
6. Andre Dupont 42
7. Shayne Gostisbehere 40

Assists
1. Mark Howe 342
2. Eric Desjardins 303
3. Kimmo Timonen 232
4. Tom Bladon 163
5. Joe Watson 162
6. Doug Crossman 158
7. Behn Wilson 214
8. Brad McCrimmon 152
9. Jim Watson 148
10. Garry Galley 144
11. Bob Dailey 138
12. Andre Dupont 135
13. Chris Therien 130
14. Braydon Coburn 124
15. Matt Carle 122
16. Shayne Gostisbehere 121

Points
1. Mark Howe 480
2. Eric Desjardins 396
3. Kimmo Timonen 232
4. Tom Bladon 230
5. Behn Wilson 214
6. Joe Watson 198
7. Bob Dailey 194
8. Doug Crossman 193
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Post #1640 by chaosof99 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:05 pm

I turned the game off after the 5-on-3 goal. Then read on twitter that the Bolts immediately scored on the power play again and thought nothing of the game anymore. Now I take a look at YouTube and my recommendations has the summary video and it shows 6-5 in OT. Just WTF happened at the end there. I am kind of impressed that they tied it, but yeah, kind of a heartbreaker regardless that they lost in OT.
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Post #1641 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:40 pm

Don't think this Lyon guy is NHL material
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Post #1642 by FlyHigh » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:23 am

This situation is starting to get untenable, if they lose Friday and Saturday to run this thing to 6, something really has to give.
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Post #1643 by Hovercraft » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:30 am

Hak gonna go? Would Q be worth trying for us>? It's pretty unbelievable that Lappy still has a job with how bad our PK has been
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Post #1644 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:01 am

The Laperriere situation is beyond absurd.
As in it has reached the point of absurdity, and exceeded it.
In the order of light-years, now.

WGR had some decent insight coming from Marty Biron and Rob Ray this week. Biron said a coach's belief in a young player is invaluable. That one cannot play to their fullest potential if they're playing scared (of being scratched/benched/traded/etc.) Ray said never knowing if/when you're going to be demoted to the AHL is severely taxing on a player's psyche. As is constantly battling for the next contract.
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Post #1645 by JLHockeyKnight » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:52 pm

I've been busy lately but why did Hakstol start Lyon over Pickard?
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Post #1646 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:06 pm

If Holmgren was the GM he would have fired Hak and installed Lappy weeks ago
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Post #1647 by vonbonds » Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:05 am

And it still wouldn’t have fixed your goaltending
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Post #1648 by Hovercraft » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:53 am

Trade us Schneider or Kinkaid?
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Post #1649 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:14 pm

JL, I can't explain Hak-logic. It's like Bird-Law in four dimensional space.

And for the sake of posterity:

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Vincent LeCavalier (NMC), Scott Hartnell (NMC), Jakub Voracek, Wayne Simmonds (NTC), Claude Giroux, Brayden Schenn, Steve Downie, Sean Couturier, Matt Read, Michael Raffl, Zac Rinaldo, Jay Rosehill, Adam hall, Tye McGinn, Jason Akeson

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Ray Emery, Steve Mason, Cal Heeter

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Marc-Andrew Bourdon, Chris VandeVelde, Kris Newbury, Scott Laughton, Matt Konan, Oliver Lauridsen, Derek Mathers, Ben Holmstrom, Marcl Noebels, Brandon Alderson, Anthony Stolarsz, Kyle Flanagan, maxim Lamarche, Petr Straka, Brandon Manning, Mark Alt, Yann Danis, Bruno Gervais, Cullen Eddy, Tyler Brown, Nick Cousins, Tyler Hostetter, Andrew Johnston


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Claude Giroux (NMC), Jakub Voracek, James van Rimesdyk, Jori Lehtera, Sean Couturier, Wayne Simmonds (NTC), Dale Weise, Michael Raffl, Jordan Weal, Scott Laughton, Oskar Lindblom, Nolan Patrick, Travis Konecny, Mikhail Vorobyov

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Andrew MacDonald, Shayne Gostisbehere, Radko Gudas, Robert Hagg, Ivan Provorov, Travis Sanheim, Christian Folin

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Brian Elliott, Michael Neuvirth, Calvin Pickard

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Taylor Leier, Corban Knight, Cole Bardreau, Carter Hart, Mark Friedman, Maxim Sushko, TJ Brennan, Carsen Twarnyski, Matt Strome, Alex Lyon, Phil Varone, Greg Carey, Nicolas Aube-Kubel, Radel Fazleev, David Kase, Samuel Morin, Phillippe Myers, German Rubtsov, Michael Vecchione, Connor Bunnaman, Isaac Ratcliffe, Morgan Frost, Pascal Laberge, Felix Sandstrom
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Re: Philadelphia Flyers' 2018-19 Gaping Dirt-Hole.

Post #1650 by Hovercraft » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:56 pm

I think it made sense to give Lyon a game to see. He played okay for us last year and had a great playoff run for Phantoms. Pickard has also sucked, his GAA is 4.15.... Elliot is the only goalie who has been NHL quality this year.

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