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Post #1801 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:18 pm

I like what Fletcher said reading his quotes, doesn't sound like he's going to come in and start pissing away prospects. He's watching the Phantoms tonight I am interested to see if he makes an immediate call up or two just to send a message.
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Post #1802 by Hovercraft » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:38 pm

Yeah he is preaching finding internal solutions before rushing to make trades
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Post #1803 by jester » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:25 am

One would assume that the league--especially folks involved in GM/scouting roles--are highly aware of what Hextall has been up to at a granular level, so you wouldn't expect someone to come in and just burn the house down. Very different from taking over, say, an aging team that is struggling with limited resources in the pipeline (Holmgren taking over for Clarke).
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Post #1804 by FlyHigh » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:30 pm

I don’t think NHL teams actively try to get their coaches fired, but tonight has been a total no-show in their first game under a new GM.
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Post #1805 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:55 pm

The first 25 games weren't enough?
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Post #1806 by FlyHigh » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:21 pm

Ha, now that’s a fair point.
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Post #1807 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:49 pm

Games Played
1. Bobby Clarke 1144
2. Bill Barber 903
3. Brian Propp 790
4. Claude Giroux 778

Assists
1. Bobby Clarke 852
2. Claude Giroux 496

Points
1. Bobby Clarke 1210
2. Bill Barber 883
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Post #1808 by jester » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:41 am

Clarke was pretty good ...

It will be interesting to see how far Giroux can climb, given that he will ideally be age regressing on a team that has a real shot to be pretty good. Should buttress his numbers a bit, and you figure that he will continue to pick up PP points at a decent clip.
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Post #1809 by FlyHigh » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:33 am

Sanheim played 12:38 last night, Lindblom at 4:38. Even if you factor in a heavier than usual night on the PK, that's just not enough.
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Post #1810 by Hovercraft » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:45 am

I hate JVR and Simmonds on the same line.

Should be:
JVR-Patrick-Voracek (at least try to get JVR and Voracek to develop some 15 million dollar chemistry)
Lindblom-Laughton/Weal-Simmonds

It does seem like the D have a bit more of a green light in the neutral zone with the new D coach but it's only 1 game. Nice to see Sanheim getting a couple goals but it's brutal how underused he is. Our 2nd PP should have Provorov and Sanheim on the points not Provorov and forward. Sanheim and Lindblom are getting buried for no reason at all.
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Post #1811 by Hovercraft » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:27 pm

Couturier DTD, looks like Giroux centering JVR and Konecny.
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Post #1812 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:21 am

Stolarsz is rocking a 0.907 svpct on the year. And after watching last night's highlights, it could have considerably worse.


It's still very early in his career, but if he can stay healthy and keep his performance at about the same level we're seeing there's no reason he can't be considered a legitimate back-up.
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Post #1813 by CantSeeColors » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:51 pm

Which is, sadly, a substantial upgrade on the non-Elliott games we’ve had this year
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Post #1814 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:54 pm

Apparently a fan threw their jersey on the ice and left the game, if that's true it is hilarious.
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Post #1815 by FlyHigh » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:09 pm

This team is such a trainwreck defensively. Blame the goalies all you want, it isn’t just them.

Edit: for the record I posted that before the complete shitshow on the 6th goal, what are they even doing out there? They’ve had at least 3 “this coach should be gone” games since Hexy got canned.
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Post #1816 by Roughneck » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:15 pm

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Post #1817 by Hovercraft » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:41 am

FlyHigh wrote:This team is such a trainwreck defensively. Blame the goalies all you want, it isn’t just them.

Edit: for the record I posted that before the complete shitshow on the 6th goal, what are they even doing out there? They’ve had at least 3 “this coach should be gone” games since Hexy got canned.


Just watched the highlights, pretty ugly. Two 6 on 5 goals is brutal, and Couturier just stood still on that OT goal and let Gaudreau get the rebound uncontested.
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Post #1818 by jester » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:06 am

If this team does not want to get Hakstol canned, they're not trying hard to avoid it.
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Post #1819 by FlyHigh » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:09 am

Hovercraft wrote:
FlyHigh wrote:This team is such a trainwreck defensively. Blame the goalies all you want, it isn’t just them.

Edit: for the record I posted that before the complete shitshow on the 6th goal, what are they even doing out there? They’ve had at least 3 “this coach should be gone” games since Hexy got canned.


Just watched the highlights, pretty ugly. Two 6 on 5 goals is brutal, and Couturier just stood still on that OT goal and let Gaudreau get the rebound uncontested.


Yeah, it’s pretty rare when a team gives up 6 goals and there’s still a legitimate argument that the goalie was their best player. Stolarz made 2 great saves before Gaudreau jammed in that 3rd shot.
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Post #1820 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:35 am

I said my piece earlier, but to reiterate because I can't fucking stand seeing Lindblom with 5 minutes of ice-time a game while Weise gets 15, and Sanheim receive 10 minutes a game while MacDonald gets 20. I think this team fucked up royally by firing the wrong guy(s), and the replacement is poised to move this team in the wrong direction, undoing all that was done during the lean years. If they're in the Stanley Cup Finals some day, I'll tune in. Until then, fuck sports.
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Post #1821 by Hovercraft » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:43 am

Weise and MacD were on for the tying goal too
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Post #1822 by FlyHigh » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:59 am

Rogers Pancreas wrote:I said my piece earlier, but to reiterate because I can't fucking stand seeing Lindblom with 5 minutes of ice-time a game while Weise gets 15, and Sanheim receive 10 minutes a game while MacDonald gets 20. I think this team fucked up royally by firing the wrong guy(s), and the replacement is poised to move this team in the wrong direction, undoing all that was done during the lean years. If they're in the Stanley Cup Finals some day, I'll tune in. Until then, fuck sports.


I would be floored if Hakstol is not in "dead man walking" status.

Completely agree about player usage. From a depth perspective, I'd guess that this team has top-5 forward depth in the NHL (obviously don't have the front-line talent of other teams). I like Couturier/Giroux as much as anyone, but it's ridiculous that Couturier is playing 26 minutes and Giroux's at 23, especially when Couturier is coming off an injury and Giroux is coming up on 31 with a contract that goes for 3 more years.

Sanheim at 10 minutes is just laughable, there's an argument he's been the best d-man on the team this year. Banning him from the PK is also just...stupid. First, it's the worst PK in the league, what quality do you think you're preserving? Second, he has all the physical tools for it, why not try to coach him up to make him an all-situations player, isn't that what player development is supposed to be?

I just love that the "defensive liabilities" on the team are stapled to the bench while the team is 29th in the league in goals-against.
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Post #1823 by CantSeeColors » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:19 pm

Sanheim not running the point on PP2 is more ridiculous to me. Like, ok, he's offensive minded and isn't a traditional PK type, but his natural role in on the PP and Provorov is #bad at it.
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Post #1824 by Hovercraft » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:20 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:Sanheim not running the point on PP2 is more ridiculous to me. Like, ok, he's offensive minded and isn't a traditional PK type, but his natural role in on the PP and Provorov is #bad at it.


Or why not just have 2 Dmen on the point on PP2? Let Sanheim be the QB and Provorov just be a shooter. Dale Fucking Weise is on PP2 and Sanheim isn't...

Sanheim and Lindblom are some of our best players this year when you look at their advanced stats, they just need more minutes and opportunities.
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Post #1825 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:45 pm

Why not mirror what you're doing on PP1 that's worked so well over the years?

Simmonds (LHS Crash the Net with Attitude)
Giroux (RHS LW - Direct the Play) - Couturier (LHS C - Attack the Slot) - Voracek (LHS RW - Support the Play, Threaten from the Off-Wing)
Ghost (LHS D Support the Play, Threaten from the Point)

JVR (LHS Crash the Net with Fattitude)
Konecny (RHS LW/C - Direct the Play) - Patrick (RHS C - Attack the Slot) - Lindblom (LHW RW - Support the Play, Threaten from the Off-Wing)
Sanheim/Provorov (LHS D Support the Play, Threaten from the Point)


CSC,

The penalty-kill has been atrocious for multiple seasons now, and STILL we're relying on the same "heavy" bodies to pull their weight. That our coaching staff continues to refuse putting someone like Ghost or Sanheim out there, when everything that's been done to date has failed by each and every conceivable metric, that's absurdity defined.

It's the same thing as refusing rookies time in 3-on-3 situations, and instead relying on the "safe" options that are KILLING YOU. A Sabres' fan today had to point out to me that Giroux didn't start in OT yesterday, and that it seemed ludicrous to HIM. You're already guaranteed a point. Attack the fucks!

I know we're not paid professionals, and that we must immediately concede to the ass-hats because "we've never played/coached the game (at this level)", but there's something to be said for the amount of technical inbreeding that has already, and continues to play itself out in professional circles around the globe. Not just hockey.
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Post #1826 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:43 pm

Saw Sanheim scored a nice goal. How long does that get him benched for?
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Post #1827 by vonbonds » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:58 pm

Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:Saw Sanheim scored a nice goal. How long does that get him benched for?

I don’t follow your team but this made me laugh
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Post #1828 by CantSeeColors » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:16 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:Why not mirror what you're doing on PP1 that's worked so well over the years?

Simmonds (LHS Crash the Net with Attitude)
Giroux (RHS LW - Direct the Play) - Couturier (LHS C - Attack the Slot) - Voracek (LHS RW - Support the Play, Threaten from the Off-Wing)
Ghost (LHS D Support the Play, Threaten from the Point)

JVR (LHS Crash the Net with Fattitude)
Konecny (RHS LW/C - Direct the Play) - Patrick (RHS C - Attack the Slot) - Lindblom (LHW RW - Support the Play, Threaten from the Off-Wing)
Sanheim/Provorov (LHS D Support the Play, Threaten from the Point)


CSC,

The penalty-kill has been atrocious for multiple seasons now, and STILL we're relying on the same "heavy" bodies to pull their weight. That our coaching staff continues to refuse putting someone like Ghost or Sanheim out there, when everything that's been done to date has failed by each and every conceivable metric, that's absurdity defined.

It's the same thing as refusing rookies time in 3-on-3 situations, and instead relying on the "safe" options that are KILLING YOU. A Sabres' fan today had to point out to me that Giroux didn't start in OT yesterday, and that it seemed ludicrous to HIM. You're already guaranteed a point. Attack the fucks!

I know we're not paid professionals, and that we must immediately concede to the ass-hats because "we've never played/coached the game (at this level)", but there's something to be said for the amount of technical inbreeding that has already, and continues to play itself out in professional circles around the globe. Not just hockey.

Im not against sanheim on the PK at all, I’m just saying it’s even crazier that they can’t find the obvious special teams home for him, rather than the one that requires a little creative thinking
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Post #1829 by FlyHigh » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:11 pm

An underrated aspect of this season is how horrific the PP is all of a sudden, painful to watch.
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Post #1830 by CantSeeColors » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:27 pm

FlyHigh wrote:An underrated aspect of this season is how horrific the PP is all of a sudden, painful to watch.

Shades of the end of the season two years ago
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Post #1831 by FlyHigh » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:36 pm

AMac being matched up against Pettersson, repeatedly losing puck battles, and then turning the wrong way as the puck bounces off him into the net is a perfect encapsulation of this season.

Dunno if I’ve ever seen a game like this, could legitimately be 5-0 after 14 minutes.
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Post #1832 by CantSeeColors » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:40 am

You actually watched that?!! You couldn’t pay me to watch this team right now
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Post #1833 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:01 am

I'm glad this team's choosing to quit on the coach in a year when there isn't a notable defensive prospect to speak of. It's like 2007 all over again, except JVR's specter iis already haunting my dreams to the tune of 7 million dollars.
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Post #1834 by FlyHigh » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:43 am

CantSeeColors wrote:You actually watched that?!! You couldn’t pay me to watch this team right now


Ha, was enjoying a final quiet Saturday night before the holidays and decided to turn it on, more fool me.
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Post #1835 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:20 am

Stolarsz started back-to-back games? The same Stolarsz who has played less than 20 games cumulatively over the last two seasons due to multiple injuries, and surgeries?


I'd laugh it if wasn't stupidly tragic. Or tragically stupid.


I think I like tragically stupid more. Let's go with that.

EDIT:
Anthony Stolarz exits with injury, Flyers summon emergency goalie Rylan Toth

Didn't think it could get any worse for the Flyers in net?

Think again.

Anthony Stolarz, who opened the 2018-19 season fifth on the organizational goalie depth chart but has been forced into No. 1 duty, exited Saturday night's game during the first period with a lower-body injury.

Stolarz did not return after allowing two goals on four shots to the Canucks during the opening 8:14 of the action as he was replaced by Alex Lyon, who was just called up Thursday from AHL affiliate Lehigh Valley.

In need of an emergency goalie, the Flyers put Rylan Toth on the bench. The 22-year-old plays for the University of British Columbia.

If Toth somehow made his way into the game, he would have become the sixth goaltender used by the Flyers through 31 contests. Lyon was able to finish the game as the Flyers lost, 5-1. It marked their fourth straight defeat, a stretch in which they've allowed 22 goals (see observations).

Stolarz, a 2012 second-round pick, has been stricken by injuries during his early career. He played in just one AHL game and three ECHL games last season because of a torn meniscus in his left knee.

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How Faustian.
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Post #1836 by CantSeeColors » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:30 am

FlyHigh wrote:
CantSeeColors wrote:You actually watched that?!! You couldn’t pay me to watch this team right now


Ha, was enjoying a final quiet Saturday night before the holidays and decided to turn it on, more fool me.

Hope you didn’t watch that arsenal game too. Rough weekend for you
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Post #1837 by CantSeeColors » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:31 am

Rogers Pancreas wrote:Stolarsz started back-to-back games? The same Stolarsz who has played less than 20 games cumulatively over the last two seasons due to multiple injuries, and surgeries?


I'd laugh it if wasn't stupidly tragic. Or tragically stupid.


I think I like tragically stupid more. Let's go with that.

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Post #1838 by FlyHigh » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:06 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:
FlyHigh wrote:
CantSeeColors wrote:You actually watched that?!! You couldn’t pay me to watch this team right now


Ha, was enjoying a final quiet Saturday night before the holidays and decided to turn it on, more fool me.

Hope you didn’t watch that arsenal game too. Rough weekend for you


Yup, not fantastic, but that’s sports I suppose. Couple of friends are big Liverpool fans, so got some vicarious enjoyment out of that (2018 Mourinho makes Hak look fantastic).

Courier Post is reporting Hak out and Q in....here we go.
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Post #1840 by DeadPhish » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:30 pm

Great news.
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Post #1841 by Hovercraft » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:01 pm

Yeah this really needed to happen. So many questionable coaching desicions over the past couple years and most young are players regressing or stifled.

I assume Q will get to bring in new assistants too? He will be a big culture change for the team, he's still a stubborn old school coach.
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Post #1842 by Hovercraft » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:10 pm



Not official yet, maybe not until team is back in Philly.
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Post #1843 by dbr » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:49 pm

I think if Q comes he will want his own assistants especially a guy like Mike Kitchen. During his last few seasons in Chi it was rumored Bowman decided who was on Q’s staff.

I need a legit source before I believe anything. Since Hextall has been gone leaks have been plentiful.
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Post #1844 by DeadPhish » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:03 pm

..... or maybe not. At least yet.
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Post #1846 by FlyHigh » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:16 pm

"The team is awful and no-showed the last week's worth of games, the GM got fired a couple of weeks ago, nobody knows the status of the coach, the goaltenders have been a revolving door, the team is awful defensively, the PK is the worst in the league, you're just getting your feet under you in the AHL, and uh......good luck."
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Post #1847 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:20 pm

That's a funny way to spell "Distraction."
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Post #1848 by Hovercraft » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:44 pm

This org is a shit show.
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Post #1849 by jester » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:44 pm

Gong. Show.
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Post #1850 by chaosof99 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:13 pm

Only the Flyers would fuck up a coaching replacement this badly.
The strangest thing though is that Laperierre still has a job for now.

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