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Post #5051 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:18 pm



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Post #5052 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:26 pm

Fun fact of the day: Cory Schneider hasn't won a game since December 27th of 2017. Almost a year ago.
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Post #5053 by vonbonds » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:58 am

Rogers Pancreas wrote:Fun fact of the day: Cory Schneider hasn't won a game since December 27th of 2017. Almost a year ago.

Indeed that's a MOTHERFUCKING FUN fact of the day.
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Post #5054 by Boring Choice #2 » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:18 am

Somehow, he will even figure out how to fuck that up.
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Post #5055 by chaosof99 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:57 am

Peter Chiarelli has traded Drake Caggiula and Jason Garrison in order to acquire our old friend Brandon Manning and prospect Robin Norell. This trade is absolutely hilarious. I mean Garrison is old, but as far as I can tell still a better defenseman as Brandon Manning. Norell is a year younger than Caggiula and spent 3 years in the AHL without as much as a call-up, though they play different positions. For they trade one of their few decent forwards they have.

Said one guy on twitter:

Manning hasn’t dressed since December 12th. Chicago has rattled off 5 straight wins since then. Between October 18 and December 12th, Chicago went 7-17-3, and Manning was 0-2-2, -14. I hope he plays well, I do. But this isn’t a guy I would have taken for free.


Oh, and the locker room dynamic between McDavid and Manning could also be quite entertaining. At the same time apparently McDavid and Caggiula were close, so I am sure McDavid is really very happy right now.

Edit: Apparently a writer for The Athletic ranked Norell as #57 among 59 young players in the Blackhawks organization. This trade becomes more amazing by the minute.
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Post #5056 by FlyHigh » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:44 pm

I honestly can't imagine being an Oilers fan, there's probably an argument that McDavid is the most impactful player (goalies excluded) since Lemieux/Gretzky and they are going to completely blow it.

Hall (reigning MVP), Barzal (reigning Calder), Eberle (top-6 winger) into Larsson (No.4-5 d-man), Griffin Reinhart (not in NHL) and Spooner (healthy scratch) is mind-numbingly bad.
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Post #5057 by CantSeeColors » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:15 pm

McDavid ought to demand a trade at this point. If I were him, I might have pulled an eichel and demanded some changes before committing long term
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Post #5058 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:36 pm

He (McDavid) looked like he was ready to play that card the moment he was drafted.
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Post #5059 by chaosof99 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:45 am

Chiarelli was finally fired yesterday. I was looking at the Oilers current situation and the moves Chiarelli made over his tenure, and it is absolutely ghastly. It might actually top Milbury's stint on Long Island as the worst GM tenure in the history of the sport.
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Post #5060 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:49 am

They should probably trade McDavid to an organization that'll treat him proper. Preferably to an East Coast team with a future in front of them.

Say, for example, the Flyers?
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Post #5061 by Boring Choice #2 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:29 am

Why would he go from one organization with no goaltending and questionable defence to another?



*Yes, i know. Carter Hart is going to be the next great flyers goalie, just like Bobrovsky and Bryzgalov and Boucher and Niittymaki and Cechmanek and ...
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Post #5062 by Kilgore Trout » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:59 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:

*Yes, i know. Carter Hart is going to be the next great flyers goalie, just like Bobrovsky and Bryzgalov and Boucher and Niittymaki and Cechmanek and ...


Booooo!
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Post #5063 by vonbonds » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:27 pm

Kilgore Trout wrote:
Boring Choice #2 wrote:

*Yes, i know. Carter Hart is going to be the next great flyers goalie, just like Bobrovsky and Bryzgalov and Boucher and Niittymaki and Cechmanek and ...


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Post #5064 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:11 am

Boring Choice #2 wrote:Why would he go from one organization with no goaltending and questionable defence to another?



*Yes, i know. Carter Hart is going to be the next great flyers goalie, just like Bobrovsky and Bryzgalov and Boucher and Niittymaki and Cechmanek and ...


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Post #5065 by chaosof99 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 4:21 am

Woah, that Sharks Bruins game was a fucking disgrace. Sharks got jobbed out of a victory twice. Once because the Bruins scored the game-tying goal after knocking the puck down with a high stick a foot in front of the net, and a second time when a breakaway in OT was called off because the net was slightly off. What a joke.
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Post #5066 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:38 pm

Blake Wheeler, you magnificent bastard. Thank you.
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Post #5067 by chaosof99 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:46 am

Anbody seen the Kreider elbow on Pettersson?



The more I watch it, the more intentional it seems to me. People are saying that if Kreider wanted to hit him, he would have trucked him instead of rotating. What that misses that Pettersson dodges out of the way of the initial engagement. Then Kreider rotates and positions his elbow to lead with it which appears very deliberate. Then of course he elbows Pettersson in the face. I've seen people on reddit say that can't be intentional because Kreider isn't looking at Pettersson, but that kind of assumes that Kreider lacks object permanence or something and forgets that the guy he was trying to hit half a second earlier is still behind him. It's also not like Pettersson suddenly moves or ducks into the oncoming elbow.
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Post #5068 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:01 am

It definitely appears to be intentional to me. There is no reason to spin other than to try to mask the intension to elbow.
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Post #5069 by Hovercraft » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:01 am

Very reckless with his arm and stick there. If Voracek got 2 games, Kreider should get more than that but we'll see what the DOPS wheel lands on.

Sucks for Petersson but at least he didnt seem to have a concussion, just a bloody nose.
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Post #5070 by MiD » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:43 am

I bet that Kreider was/is just reckless... like when he injured Price.
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Post #5071 by Hovercraft » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:45 pm

Kreider 5k, Voracek 2 games. Excellent
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Post #5072 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:12 pm

It's a good thing Kreider doesn't have a history...
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Post #5073 by chaosof99 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:21 am

Are people seriously considering Crosby for the Selke? Are they completely drunk off their asses?
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Post #5074 by Hovercraft » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:54 pm

His adv stats make a case for it this year
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Post #5075 by jester » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:50 pm

Hovercraft wrote:His adv stats make a case for it this year


Meh ... still a disproportionate offensive zone start guy.
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Post #5076 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:40 am

jester wrote:
Hovercraft wrote:His adv stats make a case for it this year


Meh ... still a disproportionate offensive zone start guy.

That only casually kills penalties.
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Post #5077 by Hovercraft » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:02 pm

I don't think he should win, just saying that he has some stats behind him. He'll probably get nominated and lose
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Post #5078 by jester » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:55 pm

Hovercraft wrote:I don't think he should win, just saying that he has some stats behind him. He'll probably get nominated and lose


Still would be a joke, IMO. Zone starts aren't everything, and for guys that score there are tactical reasons why they would get offensive zone starts over defensive zone starts. Bergeron, for example, has seen his d-zone start rate drop in recent years ... but he built up his rep doing heavy d-zone start lifting earlier in his career. Then you got guys like Couturier (54.6% D) and Kopitar (58.5%).

A lot has been said over the years about how Selke voters overvalue offense, which is true to an extent ... but even then, it has generally been an award that moved to two-way guys that teams valued defensively that also happened to be good offensively. Not sure anyone is confusing Crosby for that category.

BTW, is there much hubbub about Couturier for Selke? I don't pay too much attention to this noise, but if he was a runner-up last year, he is arguably having a more Selke-worthy season this year ...
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Post #5079 by Hovercraft » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:27 pm

I haven't seen Couturier mentioned much outside of Appleyard. Bergeron, Crosby, ROR and now Stone are the names I've seen as predictions. Barkov/Kopitar seem to be excluded this year because of their team's struggles so maybe that applies to Couturier, but Bergeron did win once when the bruins missed the playoffs.. Bergeron seems to be the front runner but has missed a few games.

Somebody posting some sweet Cout stats:

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ ... -158269147 Seems there are a few non flyers fans suggesting Couturier in the top 3 at least
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Post #5080 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:34 pm

Couturier has more than a few things going for him:

*He's established amongst the voters.
*He's having another notable season.
*Some of his competitors are having less than stellar years.
*His major competitor has won so many already that voter fatigue may take full effect.

So, if I had to make a bet, my money's on Couturier this season.
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Post #5081 by chaosof99 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:12 pm

I just want to say that Mike Babcock is a fucking asshole and I'd be glad to never hear from that shitstain ever again.
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Post #5082 by Hovercraft » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:17 am

Yeah that Franzen story is so sad. No pro player deserves that kind of treatment from a coach. Marc Crawford joining the shitlist now, Blackhawks investigating reports from Sopel, Avery, O'Sullivan etc about physical abuse
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Post #5083 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:06 am

John Carlson now has 40 points through 29 games played.

This draft pick, if you remember, was the Flyers first-round pick that Holmgren pissed away when he acquired Steve fucking Eminger.
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Post #5084 by FlyHigh » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:37 pm

To be fair, he then flipped Eminger after 12 games for Flyers legend Matt Carle, who can forget the Hot Carle sensation that swept Philadelphia from 09-12 or so?

(I actually really liked Carle, happy to die on the "Matt Carle was pretty good" hill).
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Post #5085 by DeadPhish » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:54 pm

chaosof99 wrote:I just want to say that Mike Babcock is a fucking asshole and I'd be glad to never hear from that shitstain ever again.


Yea I'm glad to see hes finally getting his due. I never saw him as a very good coach, even though he had alot of success with the Red Wings. Of course I think even I could coach a team to a couple of Cups with those teams.
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Post #5086 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:16 pm

FlyHigh wrote:To be fair, he then flipped Eminger after 12 games for Flyers legend Matt Carle, who can forget the Hot Carle sensation that swept Philadelphia from 09-12 or so?

(I actually really liked Carle, happy to die on the "Matt Carle was pretty good" hill).

He flipped Eminger and Downie for Carle. And I don't need to get into why that was a terrible idea again.

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Post #5087 by DeadPhish » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:15 pm

Way to ruin my day. Worst trade ever.
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Post #5088 by chaosof99 » Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:55 pm

I just want to say that the notion by so many people in the hockey world that a player has to "stand up" for trash talk and clean hits by getting into a fist fight is pure insanity.
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Post #5089 by JLHockeyKnight » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:34 pm

That sounds like fightin' words.
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Post #5090 by FlyHigh » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:45 pm

WCOH not happening in 2021. I think Bettman generally gets crapped on too much, but it is freaking insane to me that we're going to go at least 8 years without a best-on-best tournament that anybody actually cares about (the only thing ppl remember from the 2016 WCOH is Team NA because they were fun). League is absolutely stacked right now and Olympic hockey is one of the very few things that can get a relatively reliable American audience.

Plus, just from a "fun" perspective, not seeing a McDavid vs. Matthews Canada-USA matchup and etc. is just so stupid. Give the people what they want!
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Post #5091 by Rogers Pancreas » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:24 am

The World Cup of Hockey was a total farce. Bring back my Olympic hockey
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Post #5092 by chaosof99 » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:56 am

I think we all know that the DOPS is a joke, but I believe we just found a prime example to illustrate that fact.

Here's the Farabee hit on Perreault. In comparison, here is a hit by Kyle Okposo against Dermott from a day or two later. Both hits are behind the play, hitting an unsuspecting player who just passed off the puck along the boards. Both are late. However, I think the hit by Okposo is objectively worse. Farabee hits Perreault from the front, entirely through the body, away from the boards. Okposo on the other hand hits from behind directly into the numbers, uses his arm for additional leverage/force, and throws his target into the boards.

Yet Farabee received a 5 minute major, a game misconduct and is now serving a 3 game suspension. Okposo was neither penalized on the play, nor is getting suplementary discipline. Both players have no history of prior suplementary discipline either. The only difference is that Perreault suffered a concussion, while Dermott did not. And that is just utter bullshit. Perreault apparently has a history of concussions, which makes further concussions more likely. Additionally, a lot of injury is just bad luck. In any case, I don't seen anything that Farabee did that would make a concussion more likely compared to Okposo's hit.

In my opinion Okposo's hit is just objectively more dangerous, yet was not disciplined at all. In comparison Farabee's punishment seems completely arbitrary and ridiculous.
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Post #5093 by Hovercraft » Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:07 am

Yeah DOPS sucks. A fine for farabee would have been more than enough.

Look up Ellis elbow from last week that also got nothing.
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Post #5094 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:02 pm

It's at times like these that you really start to notice just how far back from the other major professional sports leagues the NHL really is.
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Post #5095 by chaosof99 » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:01 am

High scoring day in the NHL yesterday.

Panthers @ Lightning: 1-6
Canadiens @ Jets: 6-2
Devils @ Hawks: 7-1
Avalanche @ Knights: 7-3
Capitals @ Bruins: 3-7
Hurricanes @ Leafs: 6-8 (lowut?!)
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Post #5096 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:57 pm

In the Atlantic, 43 points gets you the third seed; In the Metro, 43 points gets you the fifth.

This "new" playoff format is a total crock of shit.

"Let's create parity, and then shit all over it by awarding playoff spots to teams based on their division."
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Post #5097 by jester » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:53 am

Rogers Pancreas wrote:In the Atlantic, 43 points gets you the third seed; In the Metro, 43 points gets you the fifth.

This "new" playoff format is a total crock of shit.

"Let's create parity, and then shit all over it by awarding playoff spots to teams based on their division."


I don't mind the divisional aspect that much ... the seeding, however, is awful. Though I suspect the NHL kind of likes the high-powered first round match ups from a ratings perspective. But it's ridiculous that one of the four best teams in each conference will, by rule, get knocked out in the first round with frequency.

Give each division three guaranteed spots, but seed by points after 1 and 2.
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Post #5098 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:01 pm

I just don't see the benefit of guaranteeing seeds to a division. Back prior to the Salary Cap, I could see the advantage - guaranteeing markets from Florida/Arizona/Texas a spot at the table to boost viewership. But with the Cap in place, natural attrition will always strike, and those teams that may not have had the advantages that come with a large, traditional market, they're going to benefit. And when they do, as we saw with Tampa Bay and Nashville, those markets will find themselves in the playoffs. We don't need to guarantee a playoff seed to a shit Sabres squad while the rest of the Metropolitan eats the East alive.
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Post #5099 by chaosof99 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:01 pm

Leave it to Corey Perry to be an absolute piece of shit on the NHL's biggest marquee game of the year this side of the Stanley Cup Final and get himself ejected for headhunting in the fucking Winter Classic.
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Post #5100 by jester » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:40 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:I just don't see the benefit of guaranteeing seeds to a division. Back prior to the Salary Cap, I could see the advantage - guaranteeing markets from Florida/Arizona/Texas a spot at the table to boost viewership. But with the Cap in place, natural attrition will always strike, and those teams that may not have had the advantages that come with a large, traditional market, they're going to benefit. And when they do, as we saw with Tampa Bay and Nashville, those markets will find themselves in the playoffs. We don't need to guarantee a playoff seed to a shit Sabres squad while the rest of the Metropolitan eats the East alive.


Two things:

1) Imbalanced schedules are a thing, and you have to take that into consideration. For example, a good team in a shitty division has an advantage over a good team in a really tough division ... so organizing things by division makes sense. But I would just do it for the 1/2 seeds, and then do points.

2) I assume this setup keeps a few teams in the hunt a bit longer in theory (not sure about practice) a la the WC in baseball. That will help TV ratings and gate revenue around the league.

And, let's be real, in years where you get a 5/3 split in the playoffs, it isn't like the 6th placed team is going to be a great team. I'd be curious if we have had a year where a 6th place team would make it? I just really hate the divisional playoff format.

I would like to see them consider two conferences with even scheduling once Seattle is on the scene, but that might be too much travel for the West.

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