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Post #1901 by jester » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:09 pm

Kilgore Trout wrote:
chaosof99 wrote:The thread about the draft has become even better, btw. Now the Draft is "unamerican".


To be fair, that's kinda true; the draft is some commie bullshit.


Not so much "commie" as corporate monopolistic BS ... but a lot of that argument is based on the false narrative that players only option is to play in the NHL. If they care that much about personal choice, the various European leagues would welcome them with open arms. One interesting hypothetical: what would happen to the NHL draft if a raft of top players collectively ditched the NHL until they aged into FA status?
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Post #1902 by Kilgore Trout » Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:29 pm

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Kilgore Trout wrote:
chaosof99 wrote:The thread about the draft has become even better, btw. Now the Draft is "unamerican".


To be fair, that's kinda true; the draft is some commie bullshit.


Not so much "commie" as corporate monopolistic BS ... but a lot of that argument is based on the false narrative that players only option is to play in the NHL. If they care that much about personal choice, the various European leagues would welcome them with open arms. One interesting hypothetical: what would happen to the NHL draft if a raft of top players collectively ditched the NHL until they aged into FA status?


It's not a false narrative. If they had a comparable option, they might take it. Europe would welcome them with open arms, but not sufficiently open chequebooks.

Obviously "commie" is not quite the right slur. But the draft is inherently anti-competitive; as is the salary cap. Each, unfortunately to the detriment* of a team like the Flyers.

(*Query wether the new Comcast ownership would pay to win at any cost like Snider used to)
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Post #1903 by jester » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:48 am

Kilgore Trout wrote:It's not a false narrative. If they had a comparable option, they might take it. Europe would welcome them with open arms, but not sufficiently open chequebooks.

Obviously "commie" is not quite the right slur. But the draft is inherently anti-competitive; as is the salary cap. Each, unfortunately to the detriment* of a team like the Flyers.

(*Query wether the new Comcast ownership would pay to win at any cost like Snider used to)


Choice does not mean you're going to get paid the same ... You can work for google or the start up, who do you think offers the better package?

Important to remember that all these guys are effectively employees of the same entity for all the "free market" dressings of free agency, etc. The draft is a means of distributing labor in the best interests of the business ... and the players have benefited from that in the long run without question, as have teams like the Flyers, Leafs, etc. from a business perspective (if not championship perspective).
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Post #1904 by Kilgore Trout » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:49 pm

jester wrote:
Choice does not mean you're going to get paid the same ... You can work for google or the start up, who do you think offers the better package?


Not sure this analogy is quite on all fours. I don't think making a couple hundred grand to play in Magnitogorsk instead of three times that (assuming only NHL minimum) to play in Toronto is quite the same as turning down Google to work for a startup.

jester wrote:Important to remember that all these guys are effectively employees of the same entity for all the "free market" dressings of free agency, etc. The draft is a means of distributing labor in the best interests of the business ... and the players have benefited from that in the long run without question, as have teams like the Flyers, Leafs, etc. from a business perspective (if not championship perspective).


This point is well taken, and probably why the draft and, to a marginally lesser degree, the salary cap bother me. The labor market is already suppressed by the de-facto monopoly and those restrictions even further restrict the ability of players to maximize the return on their talent and hard work.

It wouldn't be tolerated in any other industry.
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Post #1905 by jester » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:49 pm

Eh ... large corporate entities with multiple locations selectively hire and move jobs with some regularity. NHL is different in some respects, but a key problem is that fans view teams as distinct entities whereas they are actually just franchise locations of a single corporate entity.
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Post #1906 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:16 am

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showt ... ?t=2175523

So, let's talk about Morin. He's playing top shutdown minutes in the AHL, at twenty-one, and doing an outstanding job by all accounts. What's the issue exactly? That you're an impatient, and petulant child who wants instant gratification?

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Post #1907 by GoneFullHextall » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:04 pm

I think it is going to take some time before Morin reaches his ceiling. Not uncommon with bigger defenseman.
Once he is called up you are just going to have to deal with the hiccups and growing pains getting there.
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Post #1908 by Kilgore Trout » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:33 pm

He's 21!
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Post #1909 by GoneFullHextall » Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:37 am

well obviously. but you know fans can be. so quick to judge and lack of patience.
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Post #1910 by CantSeeColors » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:50 am

GoneFullHextall wrote:I think it is going to take some time before Morin reaches his ceiling. Not uncommon with bigger defenseman.
Once he is called up you are just going to have to deal with the hiccups and growing pains getting there.

After 3.5 seasons of Macdonald, I'll take some hiccups and growing pains
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Post #1911 by jester » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:55 pm

I don't track this shit nearly as closely as I used to, but hasn't Morin been playing top pairing / shutdown minutes since last year in the AHL? The guy is never going to be a stat accumulator.
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Post #1912 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:50 pm

That's been his role this year, but last year I think his minutes were a bit softer.
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Post #1913 by dbr » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:41 pm

Defenseman such as Morin take longer to develop. I'm glad we haven not rushed his development in the AHL. Guy is a monster too.
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Post #1914 by GoneFullHextall » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:03 am

I just hope Myers can get clear of the concussion bug. If he does he is going to be huge for the Flyers. in more ways than one.
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Post #1915 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:12 pm

I think this qualifies as both reactionary and idiotic:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showt ... t127173619
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Post #1916 by CantSeeColors » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:32 am

Looks like he misspelled _laude
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Post #1918 by chaosof99 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:31 am

Rogers Pancreas wrote:God I love the Boredz sometimez: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showt ... t127413683


He revised it by taking out a first round pick but the proposal is garbage. Why would the Flyers surrender a top prospect (and a 1st round pick) to slightly upgrade a position where they have strength in its own system and would only get a player who is either going to cost a ton of money or walk on July 1st.
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Post #1919 by DeadPhish » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:19 am

Bishop is a premier goaltender?
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Post #1920 by GoneFullHextall » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:37 pm

it is a tough call for Hextall. He is going to have to sign one of these guys so he doesn't run the risk of losing Stolarz is the expansion draft.
Bishop is a UFA this summer, I would not give up anything of significance to acquire him. If the price is right I would take the chance on him on a short term deal. But he probably will want a long term deal and probably ends up in Calgary where they are probably going to move on from the Elliot experiment and try another goalie.
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Post #1921 by JLHockeyKnight » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:21 pm

chaosof99 wrote:
Rogers Pancreas wrote:God I love the Boredz sometimez: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showt ... t127413683


He revised it by taking out a first round pick but the proposal is garbage. Why would the Flyers surrender a top prospect (and a 1st round pick) to slightly upgrade a position where they have strength in its own system and would only get a player who is either going to cost a ton of money or walk on July 1st.


On top of that, ESPN rated 3 of our goalie prospects in their Top 10 Goalie Prospects list. While I get it's ESPN, if we have some solid prospects in our system, why would we trade for a significantly more expensive bridge goalie when we already have a bridge goalie in Mason. No thanks.
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Post #1922 by jester » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:23 pm

Don't discount ESPN on the prospect front. Corey Pronman is well regarded.
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Post #1923 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:09 pm

GoneFullHextall wrote:it is a tough call for Hextall. He is going to have to sign one of these guys so he doesn't run the risk of losing Stolarz is the expansion draft.
Bishop is a UFA this summer, I would not give up anything of significance to acquire him. If the price is right I would take the chance on him on a short term deal. But he probably will want a long term deal and probably ends up in Calgary where they are probably going to move on from the Elliot experiment and try another goalie.
Not really. Sign Mason short-term, do WHATEVER with Neuvirth, and promote Stolarsz to full-time part-timer. Boom. Profits.

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Post #1924 by GoneFullHextall » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:07 am

I wouldn't give Mason more than a 2 year deal.
I do agree we should let Stolarz and Lyon battle it out for the backup next season.
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Post #1925 by JLHockeyKnight » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:54 am

jester wrote:Don't discount ESPN on the prospect front. Corey Pronman is well regarded.


Good to know. I know absolutely nothing on Pronman, so I took the ratings with a grain of salt.
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Post #1926 by GoneFullHextall » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:27 pm

I take the prospect ratings the same way as opinion stories. with a grain of salt. so many people get way to upset over their favorite prospect being way to low or someone being overrated on a list.
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Post #1927 by JLHockeyKnight » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:12 pm

Well right. To me it's just a sign on who to keep an eye on. And I understand there's a level of probability that some of them may be complete busts.
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Post #1928 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:48 pm

Everybody grab your glass of "Enlightenment Juice", and be ready for midnight. The master says it's time.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showt ... 475&page=2
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Post #1929 by GoneFullHextall » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:53 pm

does anyone have an idea how to fix a shockwave issue? it keeps crashing when I go to the HF boards. I know what the easy answer is obviously, I am using chrome there. I don't know if there has been issues with IE.
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Post #1930 by Hovercraft » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:09 pm

Do you have an adblocker? It might be an ad going haywire
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Post #1931 by DeadPhish » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:24 pm

Stop going to HF. There problem solved.
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Post #1932 by VLoo » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:13 pm

GoneFullHextall wrote:does anyone have an idea how to fix a shockwave issue? it keeps crashing when I go to the HF boards. I know what the easy answer is obviously, I am using chrome there. I don't know if there has been issues with IE.

DeadPhish wrote:Stop going to HF. There problem solved.


Yeah, sounds like an operator error.
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Post #1933 by GoneFullHextall » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:00 pm

Hovercraft wrote:Do you have an adblocker? It might be an ad going haywire


nope. I logged on into the site on IE and haven't had an issue.
maybe its something on googles end. I don't know.

first I thought it might be the game I am playing in another tab in chrome but it was still happening with the one tab for HF opening.
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Post #1934 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:27 pm

I want to break the fingers of every dumb shit that spits out the line or some variant of it "Giroux gets most of his points on the PP."

We have one of if not the most effective power-play unit over the last five years because of the guy, one of the most effective 3-on-3 units since it's inception (again... because of Giroux), and Giroux, despite his monumental offensive limitations, still manages to put together a decent defensive effort, while winning a SHIT-TON of face-offs for this club, while knocking bitches over, and while pulling points out of nothing in the shoot-out.

There's literally nothing he can't or doesn't already do well. He's just not a Hall of Famer... like a lot of other hockey players.
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Post #1935 by CantSeeColors » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:04 am

Actually, he literally doesn't score well at 5 on 5. Those people are right
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Post #1936 by FlyHigh » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:12 am

Yeah, this might be more of an offseason conversation, but Giroux's ES performance is starting to get fairly concerning IMO considering his contract and the role he plays on the team. I think his last strong ES season was 3 years ago and it seems fairly plausible that he's exiting his prime which is totally fine/expected, but it's not great that he has 5 years at $8.275m left on his contract and the cap is projected to stay flat.

I think they need to make a move from seeing him as "franchise centerman" to "still effective ES player that can't carry a team anymore." Maybe that means asking him to commit more permanently to being a 2-way guy that isn't expected to score as much at ES, moving Jake off his wing permanently, and building an actual 3rd line that can drive play and score (and stop messing around with Schenn at C). I think the "best" version of this team probably has Couturier as the 1C at ES with Voracek on a wing and Konecny/whoever on the other.

He's obviously still a really good player though.
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Post #1937 by CantSeeColors » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:00 pm

That's the approach I'd take with him - keep feeding him PP1 minutes (he's unarguably excellent in that role), give him a lot of PK time (he's at least very good in that role, if not still elite), and reduce both the quantity and the difficulty of the ES minutes. I'd rather see him play 15 max effort, high importance minutes loaded with special teams time than keep stretching him out to 20 minutes a night and continuing to wear him down. Hell, I'd even entertain giving him spot games off through the season to keep him fresh, but that's a whole separate debate and something I think teams ought to consider with all or most of their players, not a thing specific to Giroux.
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Post #1938 by Hovercraft » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:08 pm

If we could get another top 6 center somewhere we could eventually look at moving him to wing similar to Briere later in his career.
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Post #1939 by FlyHigh » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:30 pm

I think he came up as a winger in any case. Remember some very spirited debates on Boreds on whether Giroux would be better as a winger or a center (believe I was Team Winger). Think maybe he had his best ES year in 10-11 when he was on that line with Carter (think Carter slid over to RW).

Believe he said at the time or that it was made clear that he had a very strong preference to play C though, wonder if he'd be more open to a switch in a couple years, especially if Rubtsov is actually good.
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Post #1940 by Rogers Pancreas » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:54 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:Actually, he literally doesn't score well at 5 on 5. Those people are right

I'm venting, CSC. Just let me hyperbole.

FlyHigh wrote:I think he came up as a winger in any case. Remember some very spirited debates on Boreds on whether Giroux would be better as a winger or a center (believe I was Team Winger). Think maybe he had his best ES year in 10-11 when he was on that line with Carter (think Carter slid over to RW).

Believe he said at the time or that it was made clear that he had a very strong preference to play C though, wonder if he'd be more open to a switch in a couple years, especially if Rubtsov is actually good.

I would strongly consider keeping the guy at center in a 1a/1b role, but rely on him less by putting together a respectable second line for a change. Konecny, Couturier, and Voracek have that ability. But if we're going to bunch those players together, we need Simmonds with Giroux, and above all else we need for Schenn to be a reliable (consistent) winger to compliment the two, which he hasn't been.

Just my opinion of course.
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Post #1941 by CantSeeColors » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:24 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:
CantSeeColors wrote:Actually, he literally doesn't score well at 5 on 5. Those people are right

I'm venting, CSC. Just let me hyperbole.

Hey, I don't disagree with your larger point. Despite his lesser impact at 5 on 5, Giroux is still really fucking good, and while I don't think he's quite good enough to drag a mediocre team deep into the playoffs by himself, he's the least of our problems if he can maintain this level for a few more years. Anyone who wants to blame him for the team's mediocrity deserves whatever rage you throw at them.
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Post #1942 by FlyHigh » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:39 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:
CantSeeColors wrote:Actually, he literally doesn't score well at 5 on 5. Those people are right

I'm venting, CSC. Just let me hyperbole.

FlyHigh wrote:I think he came up as a winger in any case. Remember some very spirited debates on Boreds on whether Giroux would be better as a winger or a center (believe I was Team Winger). Think maybe he had his best ES year in 10-11 when he was on that line with Carter (think Carter slid over to RW).

Believe he said at the time or that it was made clear that he had a very strong preference to play C though, wonder if he'd be more open to a switch in a couple years, especially if Rubtsov is actually good.

I would strongly consider keeping the guy at center in a 1a/1b role, but rely on him less by putting together a respectable second line for a change. Konecny, Couturier, and Voracek have that ability. But if we're going to bunch those players together, we need Simmonds with Giroux, and above all else we need for Schenn to be a reliable (consistent) winger to compliment the two, which he hasn't been.

Just my opinion of course.


Well, he was last year and then Hak decided to bounce him around the lineup this year (partially injury-enforced I suppose).

Maybe one thing to add is that hopefully we add a guy like Sanheim to the line-up next year and subtract an AMac/Manning, so a little more offensive pop from the back-end will help everybody.
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Post #1943 by jester » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:57 am

Schenn was utter garbage at the start of the year, injury or not.
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Post #1944 by GoneFullHextall » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:01 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:I want to break the fingers of every dumb shit that spits out the line or some variant of it "Giroux gets most of his points on the PP."

We have one of if not the most effective power-play unit over the last five years because of the guy, one of the most effective 3-on-3 units since it's inception (again... because of Giroux), and Giroux, despite his monumental offensive limitations, still manages to put together a decent defensive effort, while winning a SHIT-TON of face-offs for this club, while knocking bitches over, and while pulling points out of nothing in the shoot-out.

There's literally nothing he can't or doesn't already do well. He's just not a Hall of Famer... like a lot of other hockey players.


Giroux is under 1 in even strength points per 60 at 0.89 this year. he is 9th among forwards on the team.
last year he was at 1.72.
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Post #1945 by dbr » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:06 pm

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Post #1946 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:29 am

Yeup.
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Post #1947 by DeadPhish » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:42 am

I like that guys avatar.
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Post #1948 by GoneFullHextall » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:37 pm

while I do not think they should stop with the rebuild and continuing to build thru the draft, I absolutely think they really need to think long and hard about the hard about the veteran core of this team and is it good enough.
1 playoff series win in 6 years. not going to cut it.
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Post #1949 by dbr » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:42 pm

DeadPhish wrote:I like that guys avatar.


After reading it and seeing the avatar, I thought it was the man himself.
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Post #1950 by GoneFullHextall » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:46 pm

anyone notice the brand new video that wont go away at HF? a video of MMA balatore fighting. you can minimize it but it reappears when you change pages. no option to make it go away completely.
whos ever idea that is can drive a rusty nail into their eye socket.

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