Phillies thread 2

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Post #701 by JLHockeyKnight » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:32 pm

Bow Tie wrote:Before the winning? Yeah, the cheap ticket prices were convenient. After, and now that they suck? Doesn't intrigue me at all

I'm going to a Yankees game in Baltimore with my girlfriend and her family (they're from northass Jersey). I think our tickets are like 70 or 80 something after silly fees...she told me they weren't too bad considering the seats. But damn, what a strange juxtaposition.


They charge more against the Yankees and Red Sox at Camden Yards because they can sell out. Helps keep the O's in business. But when my wife was in Baltimore 2008 to 2011 we used to walk up and get upper level behind the plate for like $22 per ticket. Also you can bring in sealed soda/water and any food. Vendors outside would sell 2 hot dogs and 2 sodas for $5. So for $65, awesome night.

They have a list of restricted items on their site if you want to be sure.
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Post #702 by Kilgore Trout » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:57 pm

Yanks/Sox are usually pricey at all away stadiums. That's why I'd be pretty POed if I were the phils about getting the six for opening day. They'll need that game to make money in June.
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Post #703 by LTrain » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:36 pm

Papelbon is a fucking idiot, how much longer are we stuck with this guy for?
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Post #704 by Sweet Dee » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:54 pm

I honestly don't have a problem with what he said. Ask Jimmy Rollins or anyone else who has played the majority of their career somewhere else how they feel. Could he have worded his answer better sure, but that's Paps.
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Post #705 by Kilgore Trout » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:11 pm

I don't care that he's an asshole. Trade him bc a closer is a completely useless thing for a 100 loss team to pay for.
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Post #706 by DeadPhish » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:10 pm

2nd place baby.
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Post #707 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:51 pm

This shit is gonna be hilarious, legit how many wins are you guys thinking?

65?
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Post #708 by LTrain » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:41 pm

RIP Timo and Mason's GAA wrote:This shit is gonna be hilarious, legit how many wins are you guys thinking?

65?


Friends and I have a competition going, everybody buys a case of beer for whomever is closest to the actual number of wins they get. I'm in at 63.
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Post #709 by VLoo » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:41 pm

LTrain wrote:Friends and I have a competition going, everybody buys a case of beer for whomever is closest to the actual number of wins they get. I'm in at 63.


Price Is Right rules?
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Post #710 by LTrain » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:44 pm

VLoo wrote:Price Is Right rules?


Nah, absolute closest, full number guesses only, multiple people can guess the same number. Winnings are divvied up by all the winners. If nobody gets it dead on, then it's split between the next closest guess(es). Twelve of us are in right now. One guy I don't know too well guessed 87 wins... wtf?
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Post #711 by Kilgore Trout » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:57 pm

LTrain wrote:Nah, absolute closest, full number guesses only, multiple people can guess the same number. Winnings are divvied up by all the winners. If nobody gets it dead on, then it's split between the next closest guess(es). Twelve of us are in right now. One guy I don't know too well guessed 87 wins... wtf?


He staked out a wide swath of territory if they surprise?
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Post #712 by LTrain » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:27 pm

Kilgore Trout wrote:He staked out a wide swath of territory if they surprise?


I guess. But when 12 cases of beer are on the line, I'm going for the smart guess. Even if I split with somebody, 6 free cases of beer is awesome.
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Post #713 by CantSeeColors » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:23 pm

Kilgore Trout wrote:He staked out a wide swath of territory if they surprise?


He could have gone with like 75 for the same effect
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Post #714 by flyersguy33 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:31 pm

I'd go with 66, but after today it may be more like 53
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Post #715 by Kilgore Trout » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:56 pm

I realize my math sucks. Best way to hedge against "surprise" and own that event is going one over the next highest.
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Post #716 by Kilgore Trout » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:57 pm

Also they suck and will not "surprise".
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Post #717 by Bow Tie » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:13 pm

This bet is impure if not following Price is Right rules
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Post #718 by LTrain » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:53 pm

Anybody wanna go see an Orioles game at Camden Yards? I think it might be a bit cheaper than normal this summer if this shit keeps up lol.
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Post #719 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:32 pm

Remember the good times my friends.

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Post #720 by flyersguy33 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:04 am

LTrain wrote:Anybody wanna go see an Orioles game at Camden Yards? I think it might be a bit cheaper than normal this summer if this shit keeps up lol.


new solution, play in front of no one haha
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Post #721 by jester » Tue May 26, 2015 2:44 pm

Amaro should turn down all future interview requests.
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Post #722 by Bow Tie » Tue May 26, 2015 6:37 pm

jester wrote:Amaro should turn down all future interview requests.


Just brutal. And he went on Missanelli's show and sounded genuinely apologetic, but took about 20 minutes to say a whole lot of nothing by way of the organization's standing
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Post #723 by jester » Tue May 26, 2015 7:37 pm

Did he really? Missanelli was just slaughtering him when I was listening at one point (definitely before he went on). They were playing clips of his interview a year ago at that point, which was really a mess as well.

I think Amaro gets a bad rap for some of the moves he made--particularly the first year or two when they were in full-on win-now mode. But he's been absolutely awful since that point, and there's no defense for some of the shit he's done ... and it's gotten REALLY bad the last couple of years.
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Post #724 by Bow Tie » Tue May 26, 2015 8:16 pm

Yeah, he went on a little after 4:30 and they went all the way until the 5:00 break. Audio here. Same kind of vibe as the interview last year, except Amaro had realized he put his foot in his mouth.
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Post #725 by Bow Tie » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:15 pm

I have Jays-O's on MLB.tv right now. Is the O's color guy trying to sound like Jon Gruden, or is it the other way around?
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Post #726 by DeadPhish » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:43 pm

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Post #727 by Sweet Dee » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:45 pm

Of his own chosing. I don't blame him.
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Post #728 by jester » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:45 pm

They are such a joke ...

As I texted to some friends ... Phillies: so bad that a guy that toiled for years in the minors to manage says, "fuck this."
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Post #729 by VLoo » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:56 pm

Six years after winning back-to-back pennants, and four years after winning 102 games on the back of one of the best starting rotations ever assembled, the Phillies have gone through rock bottom, struck natural gas, polluted the water table, made your tap water unsafe to drink, and set your kitchen on fire.


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-philadelphia-phillies-ryne-sandberg-resigns/
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Post #730 by jester » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:19 pm

I think they set the house on fire, lets not minimize the damage.
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Post #731 by Bow Tie » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:10 pm

Anyone hear that part of the MacPhail presser yesterday where he said he tries to gather as much info as possible, because he assumes people think he's "just some rube they can take advantage of"?
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Post #732 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:52 pm

Amaro gonna get canned at the end of year most likely.

Franco is an absolute fucking animal, Nola pitching his ass off everywhere he is at. They are still gonna get 1-2 blue chippers from Hamels as well, the Phillies rebuild is actually starting to look like a rebuild.
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Post #733 by Sweet Dee » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:26 pm

If Amaro isn't gone by the end of the year they are just fucking stupid. I have no idea who'd be better but a bag of baseballs might do nicely.
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Post #734 by jester » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:52 pm

I'm pretty over Amaro, and he's dug his own grave around these parts, but in fairness to the man he's done pretty well for the Phils over the course of the last year. The Nola pick looks great (Crawford as well); he turned Rollins and Byrd into potential MLB pitchers; and he's got Hamels and Papelbon lined up right now for very strong returns potentially.

That doesn't mitigate the fact that he was far too slow to realize the party was over, nor does it excuse his foot-in-mouth disease and unearned superiority complex, but it should be recognized. Yes, the Phils are in a deep hole, but there's some light in there. It's going to be REALLY important they get a stud out of the next draft given how high they'll be picking.

I'm totally parroting an article I read today (grantland, maybe?), but it made good arguments.
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Post #735 by Bow Tie » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:48 pm

Amaro's contract is up at the end of the year. He can't be fired...so if he's back, it's worse than if he weren't fired
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Post #736 by VLoo » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:25 am

VLoo wrote:
Six years after winning back-to-back pennants, and four years after winning 102 games on the back of one of the best starting rotations ever assembled, the Phillies have gone through rock bottom, struck natural gas, polluted the water table, made your tap water unsafe to drink, and set your kitchen on fire.


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-mlb-philadelphia-phillies-ryne-sandberg-resigns/


jester wrote:I'm pretty over Amaro, and he's dug his own grave around these parts, but in fairness to the man he's done pretty well for the Phils over the course of the last year. The Nola pick looks great (Crawford as well); he turned Rollins and Byrd into potential MLB pitchers; and he's got Hamels and Papelbon lined up right now for very strong returns potentially.

That doesn't mitigate the fact that he was far too slow to realize the party was over, nor does it excuse his foot-in-mouth disease and unearned superiority complex, but it should be recognized. Yes, the Phils are in a deep hole, but there's some light in there. It's going to be REALLY important they get a stud out of the next draft given how high they'll be picking.

I'm totally parroting an article I read today (grantland, maybe?), but it made good arguments.


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Post #737 by jester » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:28 am

Ha.
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Post #738 by CantSeeColors » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:52 am

I think Amaro is mainly just a puppet for the owners who had been pulling the strings until this recent change of power. Not that I think he's deserving of the GM role, but I think his hands were tied with a lot of the stuff that got us to where we are.
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Post #739 by jester » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:05 pm

I think it's a bit of both, at the very least. I don't buy for a second that trading Lee to Seattle was Amaro's call ... and I think Montgomery had a GREAT DEAL to do with the retention of the core, but I also don't think Amaro's hands are devoid of blood either. He could also have done so much better for himself if he was better in interviews.

The largest problem is that they've just done an absolutely terrible job drafting and developing guys over the last decade. That's partially Amaro's fault, but there's a larger systemic problem there.
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Post #740 by DeadPhish » Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:17 pm

Well Cole Hamels ...
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Post #741 by Bow Tie » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:15 pm

Goodbye, Cole :(
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Post #742 by Kilgore Trout » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:39 pm

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13343 ... as-rangers

Seems like a good package coming back.
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Post #743 by CantSeeColors » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:18 am

Williams seems like a great prospect, but there's literally no return that could make me happy about trading hamels
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Post #744 by Bow Tie » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:46 am

Yeah, I'm definitely bummed, regardless of return.
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Post #745 by Bow Tie » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:05 am

Fuck, I hope the guys they got back all hit their ceiling. It's the only way it works and shuts up everyone shit all over the Phillies because it's the cool thing to do

There's plenty to dislike about the operations of the team the last few years, but the way they've been piled on is outrageous -- when driving home from vacation yesterday, I went through New York; one of their talk radio guys slammed them for moving Papelbon because they've taken too long to deal anyone, and then said he didn't understand why they'd trade Hamels...in the same breath.

It seems the perception of Ruben asking for "too much" to try to save his job has actually impacted the Phils in this whole fiasco. And as much as I dislike Amaro, that sucks, and is shit. The Indians just got St Louis's 4th ranked prospect for...Brandon Moss. Decent track record, hitting for power again this year, but also has a .217 average. Yet the Phils are waaaay off base for asking for the likes of a Julio Urias or Mookie Betts. Like, come on. Ruben may have been trying to save his job the last little while, but he's hardly acted any differently than he should through these negotiations.

Anyway...maybe Hamels shirts will be discounted now...
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Post #746 by JLHockeyKnight » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:19 am

Bow Tie wrote:Fuck, I hope the guys they got back all hit their ceiling. It's the only way it works, and I'm so tired of reading everyone shit all over the Phillies because it's the cool thing to do

There's plenty to dislike about the operations of the team the last few years, but the way they've been piled on is outrageous -- when driving home from vacation yesterday, I went through New York; one of their talk radio guys slammed them for moving Papelbon because they've taken too long to deal anyone, and then said he didn't understand why they'd trade Hamels...in the same breath.


I stopped reading when you said "New York" because I know how bad their talk radio folks can be. Mike and Mike on ESPN radio aren't bad but they're nationwide based in NYC, but they have their moments
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Post #747 by Kilgore Trout » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:39 am

JLHockeyKnight wrote:
I stopped reading when you said "New York" because I know how bad their talk radio folks can be. Mike and Mike on ESPN radio aren't bad but they're nationwide based in NYC, but they have their moments


Im fine with Mike and Mike, way better than Angelo.
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Post #748 by CantSeeColors » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:28 pm

Personally, I still think they should have just kept Hamels if they couldn't get a total stud prospect back. Here's to hoping I'm wrong, I guess.
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Post #749 by jester » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:33 pm

Kilgore Trout wrote:Im fine with Mike and Mike, way better than Angelo.


Low bar. I enjoy Missanelli, but that's largely because I get a kick out of how much of a raging asshole he is most of the time. I'm 50/50 on his self-awareness on this front, as I do think it drives conversation/reaction.

On the trade ... I think the Phils did OK. At this stage, I think it's tough to absolutely rob a team of prospects the way teams did at times in prior years--statistical analysis has made teams very aware of valuations. So, the fact that they appear to have gotten a few players with the potential to be impactful everyday players strikes me as a pretty nice haul. Who knows how this will play out (hopefully we've had our dud in Aumont), but if they get a mid-rotation starter, and quality starters at catcher and LF out of this deal then you've just helped get this team back to decency in the next few years.

Really, they need to have a big hit on some of these early draft picks they have to land that stud to build around if we want this turn around to come quick. With the Comcast money coming in, they should also swing a big dick in the international market and (smartly) in free agency.
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Post #750 by FlyHigh » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:44 pm

Kinda curious if Hamels will go down as an HoFer or not. Seems like the case is probably against him, has always been a good No.1-2 rather than great, but if he strings together another 4-5 No.1 type seasons, he'll be getting close to 15 in a row as a front-line starter which is pretty impressive.

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