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Post #601 by flyersguy33 » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:58 pm

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Some teams that are dealing with the Phillies say they are having difficulty gaining traction in talks;not sure if PHI committed to dealing.

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Post #602 by Bow Tie » Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:01 pm

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Post #603 by Bow Tie » Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:02 pm

Today though...been a while since this happened at a Sunday game:

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Post #604 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:32 pm

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Post #605 by Sweet Dee » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:51 am

I bet we do nothing at all. Rube only knows how to buy.
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Post #606 by jester » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:04 am

They will do something ... whether it is actually the beginning of a structural rebuild is the question.

I mean, I'll be shocked if Byrd sticks around. Burnett seems likely to get dealt to a contender. General consensus is that Bastardo is gone. Lee is complicated, and may need to move after going through waivers ... it's possible that they should wait until the offseason and hope he pitches well down the stretch.

If they think Crawford is a potential option for next year (at some point), then hopefully they will see about moving Rollins now to one of the Bay Area teams.
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Post #607 by CantSeeColors » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:33 am

They won't do anything big like Rollins or Lee. Nobody's going to pony up for Lee and nobody is going to offer enough for Rollins to make it worth the PR hit of forcing him out (and Crawford isn't going to be ready any time next year - dude's had like six weeks in A+ and isn't hitting the cover off the ball there yet). My money's on at least one of Byrd, Burnett, and Bastardo sticking around, too. If nobody wants to offer anything worthwhile, there's no reason not to just hold on to them and see if something better comes along next year.
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Post #608 by jester » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:13 pm

I would agree that next year would be aggressive ... but by all accounts I've read, his defense is MLB ready or nearly there. He's also ahead of where Rollins was in the minors offensively from the looks of things.

I don't think it's a stretch that he could be a late season call up next year ... and he's certainly tracking to be competing for a starting gig (on a rebuilding team) the following season.
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Post #609 by Kilgore Trout » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:16 pm

Besides, Crawford is, what, 19? Per official team policy, the Phillies have to block him with mediocre vets until he's at least 25.
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Post #610 by jester » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:18 pm

Kilgore Trout wrote:Besides, Crawford is, what, 19? Per official team policy, the Phillies have to block him with mediocre vets until he's at least 25.


Happily ... I don't think this will happen this time around. I mean, we should be seeing the pitcher from this year and Crawford playing at CBP over the next couple of years. So, the system may start to produce some decent talent. The real kicker remains the fact that Dom Brown has turned into such a problem.
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Post #611 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:44 pm

jester wrote:Happily ... I don't think this will happen this time around. I mean, we should be seeing the pitcher from this year and Crawford playing at CBP over the next couple of years. So, the system may start to produce some decent talent. The real kicker remains the fact that Dom Brown has turned into such a problem.


Shame because Brown absolutely murdered the ball for 80 or so games last year.
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Post #612 by jester » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:59 pm

Brown is difficult to peg. He has definitely shown flashes of being a potential perennial All-Star, but he's also taken his struggles back to the minors with him when he went down--i.e., it's hard to label him a "tweener." So, who the fuck knows. He's a guy that may get traded and have the lights go on for another organization, and we'll all be sad about it.
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Post #613 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:02 pm

Such is life as a Philadelphia sports fan
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Post #614 by CantSeeColors » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:04 pm

jester wrote:I would agree that next year would be aggressive ... but by all accounts I've read, his defense is MLB ready or nearly there. He's also ahead of where Rollins was in the minors offensively from the looks of things.

I don't think it's a stretch that he could be a late season call up next year ... and he's certainly tracking to be competing for a starting gig (on a rebuilding team) the following season.


Aside from a September cup of tea, I think even next year is overly aggressive. His glove is there without question, but the bat isn't special enough to be our savior. I expect we'll see him pull his numbers up to about an .800 OPS in A+ by season's end, then spend almost all of next year in AA. Given that big jump, it might take almost a whole season to acclimate. Then you could give him half a year at AAA and still have him in the majors by 21 in mid 2016. Will it suck to see Galvis starting and hitting .200? Probably, but the switch to Crawford won't be what's holding the team back, so no reason to rush, and he's still got plenty to learn (like how to not get caught 1/3 of all steal attempts).
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Post #615 by jester » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:09 pm

A great deal will depend on what happens when he lands in AA.
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Post #616 by CantSeeColors » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:27 pm

Definitely. With no major surprises, beginning of next season seems likely to me. Would be nice to see him, Nola, and Quinn all start there and succeed next year.
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Post #617 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:41 pm

Only a matter of time until Amaro accidentally trades one of them
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Post #618 by flyersguy33 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:57 pm

Tyler Cloyd with a no hitter tonight. Accidentally DAF'd him
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Post #619 by CantSeeColors » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:00 pm

flyersguy33 wrote:Tyler Cloyd with a no hitter tonight. Accidentally DAF'd him


Nobody ever doubted his ability to get AAA guys out
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Post #620 by Bow Tie » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:46 pm

Just reading about the trade deadline is a downer. Gonna have to give serious thought to renewing my Sunday plan next year.
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Post #621 by jester » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:12 am

Bow Tie wrote:Just reading about the trade deadline is a downer. Gonna have to give serious thought to renewing my Sunday plan next year.


I have only passively paid attention to them this year. The last two years have been brutal on the stupid scale from a management perspective.
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Post #622 by Kilgore Trout » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:01 pm

Good work, Rube.
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Post #623 by LTrain » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:23 pm

Fuck Ruben Amaro, and the apathetic ownership that lets him keep fucking this thing up.
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Post #624 by Sweet Dee » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:24 pm

Sweet Dee wrote:I bet we do nothing at all. Rube only knows how to buy.


Yup.
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Post #625 by CantSeeColors » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:43 pm

LTrain wrote:Fuck Ruben Amaro, and the apathetic ownership that lets him keep fucking this thing up.


There was really no solution to be had, at this stage. Nobody wanted any of our crap.
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Post #626 by flyersguy33 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:54 pm

And Lee is hurt. Walks off the mound with an apparent elbow injury. LoL
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Post #627 by flyersguy33 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:55 pm

ROFL, Rube, what a fucking clown

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On one of the busiest trade deadline days in history, Ruben Amaro says he surprised other teams weren't more aggressive.
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Post #628 by Bow Tie » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:15 pm

"surprised" is a word to avoid when speaking to such subjects...unless you're saying you're surprised at the A's-Sox trade or something.
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Post #629 by CantSeeColors » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:23 pm

Well he thinks his players are actually good, so of course he's surprised people didn't offer more
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Post #630 by Bow Tie » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:13 pm

I think the perception around the team from the rest of the league actually hurt any potential trades for Byrd. He's putting up some legit numbers right now and it can be backed up by his approach. In a time where offense is starved league-wide, I'm surprised a team that needed a bat didn't put something together.

It was a crazy and weird deadline this time around though. Relievers got great returns, Price got a curious one; value was all over the scale. It shouldn't be an excuse for the state of the team though, and if they try to spin it that way, well, shit. They oughta be ashamed either way, and if they showed even a hint of it, I might not hold such stark disdain for the FO.
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Post #631 by CantSeeColors » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:07 am

Byrd is a fine player, but nobody wants that contract that badly. That said, still a whole month left to make trades
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Post #632 by jester » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:17 am

The Lee injury sucks so bad.
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Post #633 by CantSeeColors » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:26 am

There's always next year for him, I guess
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Post #634 by jester » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:58 am

Yeah, but even if something didn't work out in August, a strong finish would have made him a decent chip this winter.

Of course, Amaro seems completely lost after this.
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Post #635 by CantSeeColors » Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:21 am

jester wrote:Yeah, but even if something didn't work out in August, a strong finish would have made him a decent chip this winter.


Absolutely. It's a total bummer, but at this point, all we can do is hope he can get better for next year. I had a bad feeling about it when he was still sore in his rehab outings.

Anyway, for everyone complaining about yesterday, read: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Heres-why-it-might-not-hurt-the-Phillies-to-wait-And-why-they-shouldnt-keep-their-hopes-up.html
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Post #636 by jester » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:55 pm

I'm not sure I buy that. If you are selling weaker value, you benefit from desperation. No one is desperate in the off-season.
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Post #637 by CantSeeColors » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:35 pm

No one is desperate for anything with an eight figure price tag now, either.
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Post #638 by jester » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:51 am

Right, but they are going to be more willing to eat shit with a pennant in front of them. Deals can certainly be made later, I just doubt some of these guys will have better or even equal value.

Which gets us back to the problem of Amaro possibly overvaluing guys.
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Post #639 by CantSeeColors » Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:06 am

Sure, but if nothing worthwhile was offered now, the only real option is to wait and hope. May not pan out, but it's better than taking on some org filler than you already know won't pan out
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Post #640 by jester » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:22 am

I would agree with that if I thought Amaro had a firm grasp on what "worthwhile" is at this point.
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Post #641 by JLHockeyKnight » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:49 pm

While I'm still a Phillies fan, O's are still fighting for the lead in the AL East. DP and I will be accepting applications for anyone who wishes to jump on the bandwagon.
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Post #642 by DeadPhish » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:21 pm

I am the worst Os fan. Havent followed them in a few years. Cant remember the last time I was at a game.
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Post #643 by Sweet Dee » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:58 pm

After phish like 3 years ago :p
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Post #644 by jester » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:01 pm

I think it has to be hard to be a real fan of a baseball team out of market. So much of the sport is the day to day rhythm, and water cooler talk. Internet and whatnot has obviously made it much easier.
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Post #645 by CantSeeColors » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:07 pm

At the very least, it's nice that we still get to watch hamels deal every couple of days. Not sure there's much other reason to tune in
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Post #646 by JLHockeyKnight » Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:48 pm

jester wrote:I think it has to be hard to be a real fan of a baseball team out of market. So much of the sport is the day to day rhythm, and water cooler talk. Internet and whatnot has obviously made it much easier.


Well, I talk about the Flyers with Devils and Rangers fans all day. So I can say I know that feeling all too well.

I'm like the bizarro version of von bonds.
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Post #647 by Bow Tie » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:31 pm

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Post #648 by CharlieGirl » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:07 am

jester wrote:I think it has to be hard to be a real fan of a baseball team out of market. So much of the sport is the day to day rhythm, and water cooler talk. Internet and whatnot has obviously made it much easier.


Especially when one's team is a small market, get no press, never see them on a game of the week kind of team. I haven't followed baseball closely in years, but the only way I can ever see a game is if they're playing the Blue Jays or if I want to buy MLB network.
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Post #649 by Sweet Dee » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:32 pm

So happy for zoo with Roy today. Doc is so awesome for doing that with him haha
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