Season Salvaged: Flyers Acquire Steve Downie for Max Talbot

the tendon-cy to retire is natural.
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Post #101 by Sweet Dee » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:05 pm

@BroadStBull: Downie says Tues. is "realistic" for his return. #Flyers
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Post #102 by CantSeeColors » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:11 pm

Sweet Dee wrote:@BroadStBull: Downie says Tues. is "realistic" for his return. #Flyers


I feel bad for everyone on the other team that has to see that eye skating at them.
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Post #103 by jester » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:13 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:I feel bad for everyone on the other team that has to see that eye skating at them.


On the upside, the short term memory loss after he drills them will be a blessing.
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Post #104 by DeadPhish » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:24 pm

At this point, I dont know if the Great Ones return can save this team.
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Post #105 by Sweet Dee » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:05 pm

The savior has been cleared to play!
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Post #106 by LTrain » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:25 pm

Sweet Dee wrote:The savior has been cleared to play!


But is still day to day tomorrow!
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Post #107 by DeadPhish » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:54 pm

So, everyone excited for the return of Downie this evening?
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Post #108 by LTrain » Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:59 pm

The prodigal son returns... again.
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Post #109 by jester » Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:10 pm

DeadPhish wrote:So, everyone excited for the return of Downie this evening?


Given that I missed the first game... yes. I'm assuming Mason has been in training.
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Post #110 by DeadPhish » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:46 pm

4-2-1 since Downie joined the team.
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Post #111 by LTrain » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:54 pm

DeadPhish wrote:4-2-1 since Downie joined the team.

He clearly is the answer to all of lifes problems.
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Post #112 by dbr » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:58 pm

WWSDD?
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Post #113 by Cao » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:50 pm

@DarrenDreger: Oilers offered three 2nd round picks for Braydon Coburn at the Draft and couldn't close the deal. Trades in season are much harder to make.
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Post #114 by CantSeeColors » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:52 pm

Cao wrote:@DarrenDreger: Oilers offered three 2nd round picks for Braydon Coburn at the Draft and couldn't close the deal. Trades in season are much harder to make.


Silly Oilers, thinking 2nd round picks have value here.
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Post #115 by LTrain » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:18 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:Silly Oilers, thinking 2nd round picks have value here.


My thoughts exactly. Second rounders. Homer probably thought they were trying to trick him into taking nothing for Coby or something.
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Post #116 by CharlieGirl » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:25 pm

Cao wrote:@DarrenDreger: Oilers offered three 2nd round picks for Braydon Coburn at the Draft and couldn't close the deal. Trades in season are much harder to make.


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Post #117 by chaosof99 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:34 pm

I don't think Homer would have considered that bad value, but I think he wanted a roster player back. It seems to me that after the ridiculous amount of injuries the team has sustained on D the last couple of years, Holmgren wanted to have as many NHL caliber defensemen on hand as possible. That would also explain why they didn't trade Meszaros and signed Gill. At least that is a rational thought process, but unfortunately that is not a guarantee to have actually been involved here. Just my 2 cents.
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Post #118 by jester » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:58 pm

Timmeh getting called out in every single comment on HB is kind of amazing.
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Post #119 by CharlieGirl » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:33 pm

jester wrote:Timmeh getting called out in every single comment on HB is kind of amazing.


I'll have to check it out - I assume Timmy said a bunch of stupid shit to start the ball rolling.

Edit: Yeah, I wasn't wrong. Love this comment.

Wow.

Why not just type, "I don't like Steve Downie" and save everybody some time?
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Post #120 by jester » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:13 pm

Apart from the atrocious editing, I love that he implied that Downie is only marginally better than Rinaldo offensively.
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Post #121 by CharlieGirl » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:15 pm

jester wrote:Apart from the atrocious editing, I love that he implied that Downie is only marginally better than Rinaldo offensively.


Far be it for Timmy to let facts get in the way of his opinions. Such an ass, and deserves every comment he's received. At least the guys at HB are ripping him for supposedly "speaking for the fans" when he clearly isn't.
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Post #122 by Hovercraft » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:56 pm

jester wrote:Apart from the atrocious editing, I love that he implied that Downie is only marginally better than Rinaldo offensively.


in 15 games Downie has almost matched Rinaldo's career point total
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Post #123 by DeadPhish » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:25 pm

Downie has almost as many points as Giroux. And much less ice time.
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Post #124 by Dig Out Your Soul » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:25 pm

I haven't paid much attention to what Timmeh has had to say in a long time. This is why. Grade A moron.
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Post #125 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:25 am

Looks like Sam's axe was getting a little dull.

In Wednesday's 2-1 win in Pittsburgh, Schenn scored both goals, won lots of battles out front, and also led both teams with six hits.

"I'm getting more physical and maybe a little more involved, and when I do that, it gets me in the game more," Schenn said. "And I'm finding a little chemistry with my linemates" - Vinny Lecavalier and Simmonds.

Berube is emphasizing to his players that there is a difference between hits and smart hits, doing it when the puck arrives at an opponent and causes a turnover.

Schenn has been doing that. In his first 18 games, he had 47 hits, 34 more than Richards.
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Post #126 by CharlieGirl » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:44 am

Rogers Pancreas wrote:Looks like Sam's axe was getting a little dull.


Sam, let it go. Richards has a new girlfriend.
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Post #127 by Dig Out Your Soul » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:43 am

CharlieGirl wrote:Sam, let it go. Richards has a new girlfriend.


Sam taking shots at Richards, Timmeh taking shots at Downie... is this 2007? I thought mediots were supposed to be adults.
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Post #128 by Kilgore Trout » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:50 am

Aren't the Flyers scorekeepers notoriously liberal with counting the hit stat?
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Post #129 by jester » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:02 pm

Opposite, I believe. It's a goofy stat, though... and bizarre that Carshitty would highlight it.
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Post #130 by CharlieGirl » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:07 pm

jester wrote:Opposite, I believe. It's a goofy stat, though... and bizarre that Carshitty would highlight it.


It's about the only stat Schenn leads Richards at the moment. No idea why now, or what point it serves though.
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Post #131 by GoneFullHextall » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:27 pm

CharlieGirl wrote:It's about the only stat Schenn leads Richards at the moment. No idea why now, or what point it serves though.


well duh hitting means more than scoring goals.
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Post #132 by CantSeeColors » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:03 pm

jester wrote:Opposite, I believe. It's a goofy stat, though... and bizarre that Carshitty would highlight it.


Especially immediately following a quote from Berube that says quality of hits is what matters, not quantity. It's almost like he didn't even understand Berube's point or what he wrote. Shocking that the Philadelphia media could miss the point of something.
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Post #133 by Bow Tie » Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:47 pm

jester wrote:Opposite, I believe. It's a goofy stat, though... and bizarre that Carshitty would highlight it.


It's not bizarre at all. It was what happened to be most convenient.
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Post #134 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:16 pm

Prison Mike wrote:It's not bizarre at all. It was what happened to be most convenient.
Exactly. As long as it supports the agenda, Shitty's going to key in on any statistic. As long as he doesn't need to face the possibility Holmgren set this franchise back several years with his moves.
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Post #135 by DeadPhish » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:50 pm

5-2-2 since Downie joined the team.
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Post #136 by Dr. Krieger » Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:05 pm

DeadPhish wrote:5-2-2 since Downie joined the team.
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Post #137 by LTrain » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:25 pm

DeadPhish wrote:5-2-2 since Downie saved the team.
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Post #138 by chaosof99 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:01 am

For some reason I missed this article on Broad Street Hockey, but it gets better and better each day. Didn't think Pittsburgh was this competitive in terrible beat writers.
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Post #139 by Bow Tie » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:08 am

Berube says McGinn or Rosehill is a game time decision today...if McGinn plays, what does he have to do to get more than a game here or there while up?
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Post #140 by CantSeeColors » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:12 am

Prison Mike wrote:Berube says McGinn or Rosehill is a game time decision today...if McGinn plays, what does he have to do to get more than a game here or there while up?


Nothing short of blackmail, i presume
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Post #141 by Bow Tie » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:29 am

CantSeeColors wrote:Nothing short of blackmail, i presume


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Post #142 by flyersguy33 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:11 pm

Downie scratched for tonights game
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Post #143 by Hovercraft » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:06 pm

healthy?
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Post #144 by jester » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:07 pm

yep.
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Post #145 by FlyHigh » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:15 pm

Berube really does some bizarre shit, seems to be working, but wow.
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Post #146 by jester » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:21 pm

I would assume injury plays a large role here, but it isn't that shocking. In his last 15 GP, Downie is 1-2-3 and -7... and he hasn't been nearly as noticeable as you would expect a player like him to be even with off-the-score sheet type stuff.
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Post #147 by FlyHigh » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:48 pm

I'm going to guess that at least a chunk of that is playing on the 4th line with Rinaldo/Hall/Vandevelde (all of whom are pretty damn shitty ES players). I know Read is out, but that third line really carried the team for a couple weeks and Berube hasn't shown much interest in trying to recreate it, even before Read got hurt Lecavalier had taken Downie's spot.
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Post #148 by jester » Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:53 pm

That may play as well, but in most of those games he's been in the 15-17 minutes of ice time range... so, it isn't simply a byproduct of taking shifts on the 4th line. I think he's playing banged up, and I would agree with Berube's quote that maybe the intensity isn't quite as high as we are used to with Downie. Whether he needs to heal a bit, or just a kick in the butt... it's not like his production has been such that this is completely out of left field.

My biggest gripe with coaches is that they tend to let guys rest on their laurels a bit too much. Hartnell and Briere, for example, seemed to get to play like dog shit for long stretches with no effort to get 'em out of their funks.
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Post #149 by FlyHigh » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:03 pm

Well, there's a double standard with a lot of these guys. Mes, Grossmann, and Hartnell are allowed to fuck up with impunity (although Hartnell to his credit has turned things around) while Gus is benched for weeks due to a bad shift (and can't get back into the lineup now despite playing well when he was hurt). Now it appears that Downie is headed down that same path.

Downie needs to play with certain types of players to succeed, he's not a guy that's going to drive play through the neutral zone or anything. So when you put him with plugs or shuffle him around the lineup, he's not going to produce. It's pretty simple.

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