Season Salvaged: Flyers Acquire Steve Downie for Max Talbot

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Post #51 by JLHockeyKnight » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:00 pm

jester wrote:Can we agree to never talk about Jones? Everything about his tenure here was aggravating.


Except the part Nodldamus mentioned. So since every bit of my being hates Randy Jones, I'll allow it.
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Post #52 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:01 pm

jester wrote:Can we agree to never talk about Jones? Everything about his tenure here was aggravating.
I'd like to, but to overlook it is to ignore just how egregious Holmgren's fuck-ups were. And I'm not prepared to allow that to happen.
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Post #53 by flyersguy33 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:12 pm

JLHockeyKnight wrote:Can they hit the flyers with an "impending roughing" penalty the second Berube puts both Downie and Rinaldo on the ice?


Oh its bound to happen
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Post #54 by GoneFullHextall » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:03 am

Holmgren is capable of pulling off a good deal every now and then. Not that it matters, but I wonder who initiated the convo for this deal.
looking at cap geek there are like 11 teams(havent looked in a few days) that are using LTIR money so i am not sure if this is a precursor to something else. There is the rumors with Edmonton but I woud think if anything goes down its probably after the Olympic Break.
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Post #55 by Ironchef Chris Wok » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:47 am

wow, this is unbelievably stupid for Colorado
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Post #56 by jester » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:44 am

I don't pay enough attention to the West and Colorado's lineup to know, but Talbot is a pretty good bottom 6 player that does a lot--the type of player good teams have. Downie certainly has his talents, but I'm not sure this as lopsided as it's being made out to be.
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Post #57 by chaosof99 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:01 am

The more I think about it, the more I believe that Downie coming here means Simmonds gets shipped out.
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Post #58 by Hovercraft » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:59 am

jester wrote:I don't pay enough attention to the West and Colorado's lineup to know, but Talbot is a pretty good bottom 6 player that does a lot--the type of player good teams have. Downie certainly has his talents, but I'm not sure this as lopsided as it's being made out to be.


Yeah Talbot is an asset to a playoff team
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Post #59 by jester » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:11 am

chaosof99 wrote:The more I think about it, the more I believe that Downie coming here means Simmonds gets shipped out.


Why? It isn't like Downie is signed. If there's a deal involving Simmonds that helps, then sure... but this team needed a bit of piss and vinegar.
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Post #61 by Murphy7 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:55 am

The earlier talk was Meszaros to the Avs. They are having a great start, but don't have a great combination of bottom 6 forwards. Would have made sense to still ship them Mez, as he offers more offensively than most of their D, and their blue line is a mix very young and very old.
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Post #62 by FlyHigh » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:35 pm

Kind of curious to see what kind of effect (if any), this has on the PK.

I agree though that it's not as lopsided as it seems, I really liked Talbot as a player and have the impression that he was a great guy in the room.
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Post #63 by dbr » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:45 pm

Hall is dressing tonight, so he's seeing PK time I'm thinking.

Anyone see Downie's quote today? I'm paraphrasing, "I got chills walking into the building today, there's not too many markets like Philadelphia." I'm thinking he's all adrenaline tonight.
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Post #64 by DeadPhish » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:50 pm

"It's the fans. It's very exciting, even as a road team, to play. It's very intimidating. It's an exciting place to play." -Downie on Philadelphia
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Post #65 by Hovercraft » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:31 pm

FlyHigh wrote:Kind of curious to see what kind of effect (if any), this has on the PK.

I agree though that it's not as lopsided as it seems, I really liked Talbot as a player and have the impression that he was a great guy in the room.


Yeah Couturier-Read and Hall-Giroux on the PK I guess. Would be a good time for one of Schenn/Simmonds/Voracek to step up and learn how to PK
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Post #66 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:52 pm

Hovercraft wrote:Yeah Couturier-Read and Hall-Giroux on the PK I guess. Would be a good time for one of Schenn/Simmonds/Voracek to step up and learn how to PK
Or, hear me out, Rinaldo, who plays all of 5 minutes at ES and contributes nothing offensively, could start doing some work.
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Post #67 by FlyHigh » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:12 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:Or, hear me out, Rinaldo, who plays all of 5 minutes at ES and contributes nothing offensively, could start doing some work.


I don't think this is crazy, he definitely has the physical tools, not sure if the positional discipline and know-how is there yet, but it would make him a lot more valuable.

I still don't understand why a guy like Giroux is on the PK tbh. Unless it's an otherwordly PKer like Richards, I don't like putting a star out there unless it's a big situation because it takes away from ES minutes.
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Post #68 by Hovercraft » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:16 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:Or, hear me out, Rinaldo, who plays all of 5 minutes at ES and contributes nothing offensively, could start doing some work.


Yeah I remember he PKed last time he was with the Phantoms. He skates with energy so he could probably do it
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Post #69 by CharlieGirl » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:44 pm

He played a lot on the PK in London and was pretty good at it. I'd much rather see him out there than Simmonds.
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Post #70 by DeadPhish » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:33 pm

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Post #71 by DeadPhish » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:39 pm

“I think every team wants a guy like Steve Downie. He’s a fiery guy with skill. He’s got real good hands, he’s a good passer. He’s a guy with some fire in his belly.” - Craig Berube
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Post #72 by dbr » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:17 pm

Regarding Rinaldo on PK Lappy I think is trying to mold him into a PK guy. Although I feel like he should do that in the AHL not the NHL.
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Post #73 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:32 pm

dbr wrote:Regarding Rinaldo on PK Lappy I think is trying to mold him into a PK guy. Although I feel like he should do that in the AHL not the NHL.
He has already. It's time for coaching to start throwing him a shift or two a game, even if it only against the second unit(s).

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Post #74 by jester » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:49 pm

jester wrote:If nothing else: shit will happen.


I'm not saying I'm a prophet, but after Downie's first game back... yeah.
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Post #75 by Sweet Dee » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:39 pm

has there been any news on Downie?
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Post #76 by LTrain » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:50 pm

Sweet Dee wrote:has there been any news on Downie?


Homer said no fractured orbital bone, just a real bad concussion... he should be released from the hospital today? In the hospital two nights for a concussion?
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Post #77 by LTrain » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:54 pm

vonbonds wrote:No doubt Homer is as honest as Lou is. The Flyers don't want to look even more foolish having a player they got in a trade after raping the other team out of the lineup for an extended period of time with the way he was hurt.

I mean the Devils place anything that moves on IR when they have roster issues rather than dealing with the problem professionally.........

Fractured orbital bone is better than a bad concussion, orbitals take 4-6 wks recovery, bad concussion can be a whole season or a career, as we all know too well.

Given the Flyers history with concussions, I really hope it's something else as long as his eyesight isn't affected.
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Post #78 by LTrain » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:04 pm

vonbonds wrote:He got hit squarely in the eye/orbital bone area and discussed his pain with the Caps player I am sure asking him to stop in which they did. I am not saying he didn't sustain a concussion but no way is that what hurt him enough to stop on the spot like that. He has an issue with his eye for sure.


One of my friends was in the hospital for a couple days before due to a concussion, but that was due to an auto accident in which his head hit the windshield and he was lucky to not go through. So unless Volpatti's punch was of near equivalent strength to that... I think you're probably right. Plus my friend was knocked out and Downie was standing up and still holding on, seemed to skate off coherently enough.
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Post #79 by LTrain » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:01 pm

Now apparently out of the hospital and doing well.
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Post #80 by Dr. Krieger » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:21 am

I guess on the bright side we are a .500 team since the trade.
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Post #81 by DeadPhish » Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:22 am

Dr. Krieger wrote:I guess on the bright side we are a .500 team since the trade.


That's called the Steve Downie effect.
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Post #82 by DeadPhish » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:48 pm

This could make for an interesting game vs the Avs.

http://www.flyersnation.net/2013/11/incident-with-landeskog-might-have-caused-downie-trade.html
Hockey Night in Canada's Elliotte Friedman reported a preseason incident with Avalanche captain Gabriel Landeskog may have caused the trade that sent Steve Downie to the Flyers.

Friedman on the radio today via Pro Hockey Talk: “Obviously, people thought it was a weird trade. You rarely see a first-rounder get traded for a guy who — while a useful player — is now pretty much a fourth-liner.

“During training camp, Downie got angry at Landeskog for a trip during a scrimmage, and he drilled [Landeskog]. I was just told that from that day, considering Downie was a bit unrepentant about it, I just heard the Avalanche decided they were going to make the change at that time.

“Basically the Avalanche decided that when that happened, and Downie was unapologetic about it, the time was going to come when he was going to get dealt.”



How the incident went down from the Denver Post:

While there have been no fights so far, there was some bad blood today between Gabe Landeskog and Steve Downie at least. I didn’t see the whole thing, but Landy took major exception to a hit Downie gave him during scrimmages today and tried to go after him along the bench. But Downie, whose helmet flew off on his hit, was bending down to pick it up and couldn’t engage much.

So later, Landy got Downie in the corner and flat-out pitch-forked his feet from under him with his stick, sending Downie down on the ice. When Downie got up, he skated gingerly back to the bench, looking to have a leg that was not feeling too hot. He sat out a couple of shifts, but when he returned for a faceoff, with Landy lined up outside on the circle, he skated like the wind to get next to Landy just in time for the drop of the puck and there was a little more pushing and shoving from there.
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Post #83 by clawfirst » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:58 pm

Sounds like a cover story. Something much worse must have happened. That kind of shit is normal and team building over time. Have to hate each other first ,then respect, then friendship.

We've all experienced that.
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Post #84 by clawfirst » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:12 pm

vonbonds wrote:I am still in the hate you phase. :colbert:


All the better for hate fucking ,my dear.
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Post #85 by JLHockeyKnight » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:43 pm

clawfirst wrote:Sounds like a cover story. Something much worse must have happened. That kind of shit is normal and team building over time. Have to hate each other first ,then respect, then friendship.

We've all experienced that.


My guess is Downie fucked Rod Brindamour's wife.

And Scott Hartnell's (now ex-wife).

At the same time.
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Post #86 by DeadPhish » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:19 pm

Well the article does specify that Downie did not bang Varlamov's wife. Which I find hard to believe.
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Post #87 by valhoun » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:32 pm

JLHockeyKnight wrote:My guess is Downie fucked Rod Brindamour's wife.

And Scott Hartnell's (now ex-wife).

At the same time.


And Sandberg's wife.
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Post #88 by chaosof99 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:17 am

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Post #89 by CharlieGirl » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:19 am

Holy shit, that's all kinds of ugly.
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Post #90 by LTrain » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:13 pm

Eye contusion too.
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Post #91 by Sweet Dee » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:19 pm

Ouch. Poor guy.
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Post #92 by GoneFullHextall » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:35 pm

that looks scary.
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Post #93 by Bow Tie » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:22 pm

Just wanted to join the Jason Smith Terminator club, is all
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Post #94 by DeadPhish » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:44 pm

That is dedication to the sport.

Get well soon!
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Post #95 by JLHockeyKnight » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:08 am

Holy shit. We just found patient zero.
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Post #96 by Dr. Krieger » Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:55 am

I can't wait to see the fury he unleashes when he gets back.

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