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Post #351 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:24 pm

FlyHigh wrote:Yah I guess I don't really see how Laughton is benefiting all that much out of it. Was kinda hoping that this would be a season where we could see whether he's on his way to "reliable top-9, outside chance at top-6" piece or whether he's going to be more of a marginal player. Maybe they're just counting on not resigning VdV, losing a guy or two in expansion, and giving him that shot next year. Just seems like a bit of a waste from a player development standpoint.

I don't know. After seeing what Couturier, and Downie did at the junior level, and having watched their development pretty closely over the years, I don't have a whole lot of hope that Laughton becomes anything more than, as you kind of already alluded to, an improved VDV.
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Post #352 by FlyHigh » Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:38 am

I disagree with you there actually, I think there's a fair bit of upside. He's a well above-average skater, has a sneaky good shot, competes pretty hard, and had the 4th highest points/60 on the team last year (ahead of both Giroux and Voracek incidentally). He also drove play at a really strong clip when he was with Cousins and Raffl (and away from Umberger). Think the LW switch might have been a really good idea from HAK.

I personally have no idea why we haven't tried a Laughton-Cousins-Raffl line yet. That line has size in Raffl, some speed, and a decent amount of scoring touch. Instead we're playing PEB and Weise big minutes, neither of whom have contributed at all offensively.
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Post #353 by CantSeeColors » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:50 pm

FlyHigh wrote:I disagree with you there actually, I think there's a fair bit of upside. He's a well above-average skater, has a sneaky good shot, competes pretty hard, and had the 4th highest points/60 on the team last year (ahead of both Giroux and Voracek incidentally). He also drove play at a really strong clip when he was with Cousins and Raffl (and away from Umberger). Think the LW switch might have been a really good idea from HAK.

I personally have no idea why we haven't tried a Laughton-Cousins-Raffl line yet. That line has size in Raffl, some speed, and a decent amount of scoring touch. Instead we're playing PEB and Weise big minutes, neither of whom have contributed at all offensively.

You're basically asking Hak to demote Weise to the 4th line for an almost rookie, right after Weise got a big 4 year deal. As much as I want that line, Hextall doesn't go sign Weise to that contract if Hak thinks Laughton is that good of a player right now.

If we see a medium to long term injury to a top 9 wing, I think Laughton comes up to fill that spot. Hextall just doesn't want to waste his development in a fourth line role.

To JL - I have no idea what the cap is at right now. Capfriendly seems to show them with $1.6 mil in LTIR space right now, but I find that site a little confusing.
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Post #354 by FlyHigh » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:23 pm

I have no issue with Weise, but I think the org might need to start considering the strong possibility that he's a 4th line player. He had a good deal of success with MaxPac in MTL, but hasn't played effective top-9 anywhere else, including CHI last year.

I think he's fine as a player and seems like he'd be an above-average 4th liner, but playing him 12-13 mins per night ahead of guys that are more qualified because he has a bigger contract is not how you build a good forward group.
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Post #355 by JLHockeyKnight » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:21 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:
FlyHigh wrote:I disagree with you there actually, I think there's a fair bit of upside. He's a well above-average skater, has a sneaky good shot, competes pretty hard, and had the 4th highest points/60 on the team last year (ahead of both Giroux and Voracek incidentally). He also drove play at a really strong clip when he was with Cousins and Raffl (and away from Umberger). Think the LW switch might have been a really good idea from HAK.

I personally have no idea why we haven't tried a Laughton-Cousins-Raffl line yet. That line has size in Raffl, some speed, and a decent amount of scoring touch. Instead we're playing PEB and Weise big minutes, neither of whom have contributed at all offensively.

You're basically asking Hak to demote Weise to the 4th line for an almost rookie, right after Weise got a big 4 year deal. As much as I want that line, Hextall doesn't go sign Weise to that contract if Hak thinks Laughton is that good of a player right now.

If we see a medium to long term injury to a top 9 wing, I think Laughton comes up to fill that spot. Hextall just doesn't want to waste his development in a fourth line role.

To JL - I have no idea what the cap is at right now. Capfriendly seems to show them with $1.6 mil in LTIR space right now, but I find that site a little confusing.


It's not that bad actually. I think for the $1.6 you're only looking at Neuvirth, factoring in Gordon it's about $2.5 million.

The only difference between Cap Geek / General Fanager were when someone they went on LTIR they would update their cap hit to 0 so that they didn't show up against the cap. In reality, from what I read, the cap gives you the value of the LTIR player's cap hit to replace said player, thus it allows you to go past the max cap while still taking LTIR player's cap hit on your books. So Cap Friendly just keeps it the way the CBA runs it, to my best understanding.

Agreed that if a top 9 winger goes down, Laughton's coming back up. Likewise, depending on how our cap situation plays out and if Hextall can trade Streit or Schultz, you may see them waive Boyd Gordon at some point in the season. He hasn't really amounted to anything for us.
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Post #356 by CantSeeColors » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:29 pm

FlyHigh wrote:I have no issue with Weise, but I think the org might need to start considering the strong possibility that he's a 4th line player. He had a good deal of success with MaxPac in MTL, but hasn't played effective top-9 anywhere else, including CHI last year.

I think he's fine as a player and seems like he'd be an above-average 4th liner, but playing him 12-13 mins per night ahead of guys that are more qualified because he has a bigger contract is not how you build a good forward group.

I agree with everything here, I just think the team will want to get Weise to pay off as more than a 4th liner given what they've invested in him. Immediately pegging him as a 4th liner could lead to some resentment that festers for 3.5 more years, while giving him every opportunity to be more until he's finally resigned to be a 4th liner could be important for morale. Also, I personally don't think it harms Laughton to play in a scoring role some more in the AHL since that's the difference between him being a good 4th liner, a meh 3rd liner, or something more.

Also, to get the Raffl-Cousins-Laughton line, Read has to go down to the 4th line too, and I don't think Laughton is demonstrably better than Read right now.
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Post #357 by FlyHigh » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:42 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:
FlyHigh wrote:I have no issue with Weise, but I think the org might need to start considering the strong possibility that he's a 4th line player. He had a good deal of success with MaxPac in MTL, but hasn't played effective top-9 anywhere else, including CHI last year.

I think he's fine as a player and seems like he'd be an above-average 4th liner, but playing him 12-13 mins per night ahead of guys that are more qualified because he has a bigger contract is not how you build a good forward group.

I agree with everything here, I just think the team will want to get Weise to pay off as more than a 4th liner given what they've invested in him. Immediately pegging him as a 4th liner could lead to some resentment that festers for 3.5 more years, while giving him every opportunity to be more until he's finally resigned to be a 4th liner could be important for morale. Also, I personally don't think it harms Laughton to play in a scoring role some more in the AHL since that's the difference between him being a good 4th liner, a meh 3rd liner, or something more.

Also, to get the Raffl-Cousins-Laughton line, Read has to go down to the 4th line too, and I don't think Laughton is demonstrably better than Read right now.


I'd definitely be good having 2 3rd/4th lines though. If you had PEB, Weise, and Read on the "4th" and then figure that Read and PEB have a lot of PK time. Seems like a really solid bottom-6 right there tbh.
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Post #358 by Bow Tie » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:59 am

Can someone tell me why we're getting BSH, Sons of Penn, and even the Flyers twitter account repeatedly showing the toe drag gif of Konecny? He didn't even get the shot off. At least cut out that part.
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Post #359 by chaosof99 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:37 pm

Bow Tie wrote:Can someone tell me why we're getting BSH, Sons of Penn, and even the Flyers twitter account repeatedly showing the toe drag gif of Konecny? He didn't even get the shot off. At least cut out that part.


Because it's a really good toe-drag?
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Post #360 by Bow Tie » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:17 pm

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Post #361 by chaosof99 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:24 pm

People are simply excited about a new young talent displaying a tremendous amount of skill. Last year people repeatedly fawned over Ghost blowing past a guy with a spin-o-rama or side-step move in the defensive zone even though the outlet led to little. Just let them be happy that the team has a future.
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Post #362 by jester » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:23 am

Eh, I'd offer that's the type of empty calorie stuff that leads to a lot of disappointment and/or shitty analysis in the long run. It also has a tendency to blind folks to weaknesses where improvement is needed.

It's also unavoidable in the era of twitter, gifs, etc.
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Post #363 by FlyHigh » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:01 pm

I dunno, at some point it just becomes, why are you watching? Maybe the "YASS QUEEN" stuff with prospects in general has gone a bit too far from BSH/Sons of Penn, but stuff like that toe drag is just fun.
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Post #364 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:22 pm

Just watch this instead

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Post #365 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:32 am

I thought the NFL was the No Fun League? Jesus Christ.
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Post #366 by chaosof99 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:42 pm

Mason was named First Star of the Week by the NHL. Don't think anybody expected this a month ago.
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Post #367 by MiD » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:48 pm

reality tv guy will be US president, so everything is possible...
whatever problems Mason have/had the solution is always the same Nieuvrith's injury
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Post #368 by chaosof99 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:47 pm

Read is out for four weeks with a muscle pull. This sucks :/
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Post #369 by Hovercraft » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:48 pm

At least we have Laughton healthy ready to come in. When's Couturier due back?
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Post #370 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:54 pm

chaosof99 wrote:Mason was named First Star of the Week by the NHL. Don't think anybody expected this a month ago.

With how rough he was looking early on, and how good he has historically been for this club, I don't think I'd call this a surprise. Dude was bound to return to form eventually.
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Post #371 by Hovercraft » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:25 pm

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Hovercraft wrote:At least we have Laughton healthy ready to come in. When's Couturier due back?


Spoke too soon , Laughton sent down and Leier called up.
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Post #372 by GoneFullHextall » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:26 am

it is really something with Mason tho. When he knows he is the #1 goalie he seems to play his best hockey. Is it fair to say he struggles for consistency when he is being pushed for the spot? I don't know but it happened last year and now this year. Neuvy goes down and Mason takes the reigns and runs with it.
seems to me that Laughton can use a change of scenery. Maybe find another trade partner where a team has a young kid struggling and make the deal.
curious to see what Leier brings to the team tho. haven't seen him play but the folks are raving about him who have seen him play in LV.
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Post #373 by jester » Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:00 pm

More than anything, Mason seems to like consistently playing at a high volume. Whether that's related to job security or not, who knows?
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Post #374 by Hovercraft » Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:17 am

He's very confidence driven, as are most goalies. I think he was off to start the year after the way his season ended last year.
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Post #375 by VLoo » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:47 pm

Mason has always struggled with his confidence. When he was at his worst in Columbus I have never ever seen worse body language from a goaltender in my life. When he's on, he's great, when he's off he's abysmal. His gap is just more pronounced than most goalies. That gap is what separates Elite from great and his gap pushes him even further down.
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Post #376 by GoneFullHextall » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:41 am

yeah, which is why I am against 3 years plus.
if he decides to go Martin Biron on the Flyers then they will have to move on to plan B.
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Post #377 by CantSeeColors » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:55 am

That hard line stance already cost us one cup
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Post #378 by GoneFullHextall » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:06 pm

that is true, but it would still be a mistake to give Mason a massive long term deal.
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Post #379 by chaosof99 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:24 pm

I think the deal I'd want for Mason would be 3 years with 5 million per. Anything longer or more expensive would be a mistake I think.
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Post #380 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:09 pm

I might push for two to give the Flyers some added flexibility with the contracts of Simmonds, Provorov, and Konecny all expiring that year.
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Post #381 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:46 pm

I stand by two years or no deal, we won't compete for a cup in two years and we have young goalies in the system. Don't hinder our cap with key players needing to be re-signed to big raises.
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Post #382 by chaosof99 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:35 am

So Oilers fans are losing their mind again because supposedly Manning admitted that he injured McDavid last year on purpose. The evidence:







I guess Manning said something like "How's the collarbone?" (+ a shit eating grin) and McDavid can't distinguish trash talk from non-trash talk.Queue Oilers Fans going bananas and as Beef Invictus said, Manning becoming the slumlord of their headspace.
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Post #383 by CantSeeColors » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:23 am

It's actually kind of impressive that he could go full-Crosby at such a young age
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Post #384 by MiD » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:30 am

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Post #385 by vonbonds » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:34 am

0 read by me :mkbét:
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Post #386 by MiD » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:40 am

vonbonds wrote:0 read by me :mkbét:

I wish I could say the same...
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Post #387 by vonbonds » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:33 am

MiD wrote:
vonbonds wrote:0 read by me :mkbét:

I wish I could say the same...

It doesn't matter what team you root for...that site is a blight on society in every forum.
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Post #388 by chaosof99 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:52 am

The worst are all these Oilers fans making it out like Manning owes McDavid because McDavid defended the play and Manning's involvement, and I quote, "all summer long". First, the last time I heard it discussed was a week after it happened where McDavid kind of insinuated that it was Manning's fault. But second and more importantly: So fucking what? Even if this is true, most of these were probably stupid beat writers or radio jockeys trying to stir the pot and trying to get a soundbite to trade mostly on McDavid's name. Manning shouldn't care at all about this.

Also seems like Oilers superfan "redgrant" got his avatar taken away for saying that Manning should get the "Steve Moore treatment" on his next visit to Edmonton. How he wasn't outright banned for that is beyond me, but at least it's something.
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Post #389 by Kilgore Trout » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:19 am

So he's gonna be another thin-skinned Crosby? Fucking great.
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Post #390 by vonbonds » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:22 pm

He's built like a Victoria's Secret model. Of course he's going to be a bitch throughout his career. If he doesn't thicken his skin a bit I can see some players plastering him if they get a chance with how often they'll be embarrassed by him as he blows by with his incredible talent which will only be topped by his bitchy personality.
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Post #391 by Hovercraft » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:48 pm

Yeah obviously just smack talking. McDavid clearly caught a rut and then he Manning and MDZ all collided with bad results. I think it's hilarious that this is some big issue, big impact for Manning.

Lots of these floating around reddit:
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Post #393 by DeadPhish » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 am

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Post #394 by Kilgore Trout » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:42 am

Hate it.
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Post #395 by CantSeeColors » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:43 am

They're ok. I don't mind a black jersey as an alternate thing
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Post #396 by Sweet Dee » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:20 am

Very ho hum money grab.
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Post #397 by vonbonds » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:03 am

Numbers aren't gold and that in itself is an improvement
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Post #398 by GoneFullHextall » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:39 pm

not a fan.
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Post #399 by Bow Tie » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:56 pm

They look like the kind of jersey that comes packed in with one of those cheap plastic goalie helmets you buy for little kids. Feel like they could've been better.
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Post #400 by vonbonds » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:09 pm

Better as in leaving the traditional look alone until I die? I hate all the different uniform tweaks most teams make each year.

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