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Post #451 by Hovercraft » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:51 am

I think Myers' concussion this year puts his NHL debut further off.
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Post #452 by CantSeeColors » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:14 pm

I think there's a <1% chance Myers starts next year in the NHL. This team has too many prospects in front of him, age-wise, and it's not really a slight to him to let him start in the AHL.
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Post #453 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:35 pm

Agreed. Hextall likes to get his prospects acclimated to the speed of the pro-game via the AHL, and unless it looks like they're capable of handling it straight out of the gate (e.g. Konecny, and Provorov) they're going to have to spend some time in the AHL doing just that. Besides, just like you said, Morin, Sanheim, and Hagg are all ahead of him on the depth chart, and they have all "done their time" so to speak. Although, playing in the NHL with MacDonald or Streit as your partner is punishment in and of itself.
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Post #454 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:49 pm

Some guy on TSN/Sportsnet/ESPN put out a list that ranks all prospects based on some imaginary criteria. People got upset.

Our prospects, and their development remain totally unfazed proving once again people get worked up over the dumbest shit.
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Post #455 by CantSeeColors » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:00 am

Yeah but were our guys ranked first?
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Post #456 by FlyHigh » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:28 am

Ha, I think Myers was 10, Sandheim around 30 and Rubtsov around 40. I was mildly curious why Myers was higher than Sandheim who appears to be doing quite well in the AHL, but....meh. I wonder if there will be some upcoming angst in Flyerdom because we're going to fall in the prospect rankings. Of course, the reason we'll be falling is because Provorov is in the NHL and looks like a potential No. 1 D, Ghost is in the NHL, and Sandheim/Morin will probably be making the jump fairly soon, but the reaction will be interesting.

Even just having all 5 of the "Big 5" playing pro hockey, and maybe 3-4 in the NHL, will be a bit of a change from the status quo the last few years. All of a sudden the defensive cupboard will look bare!
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Post #457 by CantSeeColors » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:39 am

Better send Myers back to the Q next year to keep the pipeline flowing, then!
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Post #458 by jester » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:53 pm

Expectations for Myers are getting a bit out of control.
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Post #459 by CantSeeColors » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:09 pm

Sending him to the AHL might be the best thing for him, if for no other reason than to temper the expectations of Philly fans so that he isn't run out of town for not being a Norris contender in his first ten games.
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Post #460 by FlyHigh » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:15 pm

I have to say, I don't completely get it. I hope he's really good and that it's all justified, but at the same time, he is in his Draft+2 season. I.e., a legitimate NHL prospect should be fairly dominant in junior by that point. Even Morin was in shouting distance of PPG pace (32 in 38) in his last year of junior. Obviously hope everything works out and that the hype is justified, just seems a little odd to me.
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Post #461 by Hovercraft » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:07 pm

I think it's just that it's very rare to see a big, mobile, offensive RHD prospect. Sanheim definitely has a higher offensive ceiling than Myer though. I hope we move some D at the deadline so we can at least get Morin/Sanheim/Hagg a cup of coffee each this season.
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Post #462 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:31 pm

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Post #463 by Rogers Pancreas » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:02 pm

jester wrote:Expectations for Myers are getting a bit out of control.

Yeup.

People are talking him up like he's going to be Tyler Myers circa 2010 when the reality is if Phillipe retires having had a (Cody) Franson-esque NHL career it will have been a success because it means the Flyers got a legitimate NHL defenseman for NOTHING. And that might not sound like much until you consider we have $17 million tied up in either AHLers either pretending to be NHL defensemen or fringe NHLers living off their legacy.
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Post #465 by CantSeeColors » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:03 pm

Sadly, they played their way back into the playoff picture, and Garth needs to save his job
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Post #467 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:37 am

CantSeeColors wrote:Sadly, they played their way back into the playoff picture, and Garth needs to save his job

Oh, I don't want Hextall to trade for him. I just want him to sign Tavares after he has another year of Garth fucking up, and Brooklyn tossing the team back and forth with LI.
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Post #468 by CantSeeColors » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:19 am

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CantSeeColors wrote:Sadly, they played their way back into the playoff picture, and Garth needs to save his job

Oh, I don't want Hextall to trade for him. I just want him to sign Tavares after he has another year of Garth fucking up, and Brooklyn tossing the team back and forth with LI.

Ah. Consider me on board. We can use an AMac buyout to find a lot of that cap space
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Post #469 by FlyHigh » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:38 am

I dunno, Tavares will be exiting his prime at that point and will probably want a fairly sizable contract tbh. The AMac buyout would also be pretty painful until 2019 or so (which seems freaking impossible, but there we are).

I think Hover brought this up initially, but I'd be more and more open to trying to trade Schenn and one of the D guys (although not Sanheim/Myers unless you're getting a young, blue chip guy) for a forward. Guess we can also cross our fingers on Rubtsov who seems to be tearing up the Q.
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Post #470 by GoneFullHextall » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:36 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:Sending him to the AHL might be the best thing for him, if for no other reason than to temper the expectations of Philly fans so that he isn't run out of town for not being a Norris contender in his first ten games.


wait until Morin isn't the next Chris Pronger in his first season. there will be multiple threads suggesting is Morin a bust or disappointment.
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Post #471 by CantSeeColors » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:19 pm

FlyHigh wrote:I dunno, Tavares will be exiting his prime at that point and will probably want a fairly sizable contract tbh. The AMac buyout would also be pretty painful until 2019 or so (which seems freaking impossible, but there we are).

How is Tavares 26 already?! I had no idea. Still, if you can get him for ages 28-34, it might be worth gritting your teeth through ~2 tough years at the end, unless you think this group has no shot at winning with him in the next 4-5 years.

As for the buyout, if you do it in 2018 to prepare for Tavares free agency (or for other reasons), it's $1.375M in 18-19, 1.125M in 19-20, and 1.875 the next two years. It's ugly, but I'd argue that's less ugly than having him on the roster at $5M.
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Post #472 by FlyHigh » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:11 pm

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FlyHigh wrote:I dunno, Tavares will be exiting his prime at that point and will probably want a fairly sizable contract tbh. The AMac buyout would also be pretty painful until 2019 or so (which seems freaking impossible, but there we are).

How is Tavares 26 already?! I had no idea. Still, if you can get him for ages 28-34, it might be worth gritting your teeth through ~2 tough years at the end, unless you think this group has no shot at winning with him in the next 4-5 years.

As for the buyout, if you do it in 2018 to prepare for Tavares free agency (or for other reasons), it's $1.375M in 18-19, 1.125M in 19-20, and 1.875 the next two years. It's ugly, but I'd argue that's less ugly than having him on the roster at $5M.


I think there's actually a fair amount of data out there showing that a forward's peak years end right around 28-29, so you'd be locking up Tavares at 28 for 8 years and possibly only getting "prime" Tavares for 1-2 of those. Seems iffy IMO, especially with the Giroux deal.

Re: AMac, I'd just stash in the AHL or use him as a 6/7 for a couple years honestly. We don't really need the cap room for a little bit and the longer we can put off the buyout, the less painful it will be.

Lots of people have already pointed this out, but as much as this year has sucked, it'd be bad to overreact. The goaltending has been horrific, our shooting percentage at 5v5 is completely misaligned with what it's been in the past, and there are reinforcements on the way.
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Post #473 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:53 pm

FlyHigh wrote:I dunno, Tavares will be exiting his prime at that point and will probably want a fairly sizable contract tbh. The AMac buyout would also be pretty painful until 2019 or so (which seems freaking impossible, but there we are).

I think Hover brought this up initially, but I'd be more and more open to trying to trade Schenn and one of the D guys (although not Sanheim/Myers unless you're getting a young, blue chip guy) for a forward. Guess we can also cross our fingers on Rubtsov who seems to be tearing up the Q.


I have been pitching this for ages, think it's the best way to go about it was thinking something like Schenn+Hagg+2/3rd and see what that can fetch.
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Post #474 by CantSeeColors » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:04 pm

FlyHigh wrote:Re: AMac, I'd just stash in the AHL or use him as a 6/7 for a couple years honestly. We don't really need the cap room for a little bit and the longer we can put off the buyout, the less painful it will be.

If I had any faith these would actually happen, I'd agree with you.
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Post #475 by FlyHigh » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:37 am

LeBrun says we're about to resign Neuvirth. Which I guess means that Mason would walk. Not great.
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Post #476 by jester » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:41 am

Let's be honest. In the big picture, Mason and Neuvirth are not in the running to be this team's no 1 when we expect to be playing for something meaningful.
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Post #477 by FlyHigh » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:56 am

I'm still very confused as to why Mason is just being written off. The guy had 3 really solid years here. He's turning 29 in May, not like the guy is ancient.

Now the organization appears to be all-in on 1) Neuvirth, who is the same age as Mason, rocking a significantly worse save percentage even this year, and has literally never had success as a starter in the NHL and 2) Stolarz who's had 1 decent AHL season, 2 disappointing ones, has a .907 this year, and is already 23.

In 2 years, who is this team's starter? Neuvirth? Never started before, has been awful this year. Stolarz? Total wildcard with mediocre track record. Hart? Too young. Sandstrom? Never played a game in North America, currently a mediocre SHL backup.
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Post #478 by jester » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:01 am

I think the org expects one of its young guys to be the man in a couple years. We will see if they're right.

Mason has been solid for the Flyers, but his tenure has not been without frustrating aspects, which may be a factor.

Of note: Mason seems not to handle competition/sharing the net all that well. That's a problem if you are looking ahead to one of these young guys growing into the starting role.
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Post #479 by vonbonds » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:12 am

jester wrote:I think the org expects one of its young guys to be the man in a couple years. We will see if they're right.

Mason has been solid for the Flyers, but his tenure has not been without frustrating aspects, which may be a factor.

Of note: Mason seems not to handle competition/sharing the net all that well. That's a problem if you are looking ahead to one of these young guys growing into the starting role.

I think you've nailed the issue with Mason. He's not the future and it appears he can't mentor a future replacement well either.
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Post #480 by Hovercraft » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:19 am

Neuvirth will have a lower cap hit than Mason most likely. Neuvirth-Stolarz would be a pretty cheap tandem. I still like Mason better as the starter, but 4+mil for .900% isn't very good value anyway.
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Post #481 by FlyHigh » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:20 am

Among guys who played over 2000 minutes (i.e. starter time) in each of the past 2 years, Mason led the entire NHL in 5v5 save percentage in both seasons. He was 15th the year before that.

Let's also not forget this article which was sourced from Seravelli and therefore probably pretty reliable: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2015/3 ... be-hextall)

Maybe there is some blame on Mason's end, but there is undoubtedly a significant portion for the organization as well. Mason has been expected to play through injuries, when his goalie coach defended him, he was promptly fired. He appears to have fallen out of favor because of 2 poor playoff games (in a series where the team was dominated) and Neuvirth having 3 good ones.

I mean, we just went through an entire month where Mason was benched for a guy that put up an .890. If he has a problem with that, I don't really blame him. This org has a consistent practice of letting some guys get away with long stretches of subpar play while others are benched for one mistake (ex. the Islanders goal Mason gave up, Laughton's d-zone turnover earlier this year, etc.). I don't blame guys on the short end of the stick for having a problem with that.
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Post #482 by jester » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:27 am

Hey, they may be wrong, but I think it's as simple as they aren't enamored with the idea of Mason as the guy going forward. Hopefully they're right, and one of the young guys rises up.

Not sure we need to analyze it too far beyond that
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Post #483 by FlyHigh » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:54 am

Yeah, to me it's more just another piece of evidence in the mounting case that the organization, even under Hextall, is dumb, but w/e, at least we aren't dealing top forward prospects for Alex Burrows.
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Post #484 by jester » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:55 am

I think Mason is a pretty low hill to die on when it comes to critiquing the organization's decision making. Just don't think it matters much.
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Post #485 by FlyHigh » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:01 pm

Haha, it's more like another 10 feet added to the cumulative Flyers hill that I'm sure I'll die on at some point in the future.
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Post #486 by CantSeeColors » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:38 pm

I think this really just comes down to wanting a guy on a short, cheap contract to fulfill the expansion draft requirements. They have a pretty well regarded batch of prospects, and leaving the door open for one of them to win the job over the next few years seems better than marrying the team to mediocrity, which is I think where Mason is without Reese.
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Post #487 by DeadPhish » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:42 pm

I think the reader base for /r/flyers may be dumber than HF.
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Post #488 by Hovercraft » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:43 pm



"Hearing PHI closing in on extension with P-E Bellemare. Word is two years, $1.45M AAV. I'm a fan."

Just the kind of deadline news we have been waiting for. Dislike his usage but I still like Bellemare as a depth player. I hope we don't see VDV stay too though.
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Post #489 by MiD » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:50 pm

Hovercraft wrote:https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/836992852089536513

"Hearing PHI closing in on extension with P-E Bellemare. Word is two years, $1.45M AAV. I'm a fan."

Just the kind of deadline news we have been waiting for. Dislike his usage but I still like Bellemare as a depth player. I hope we don't see VDV stay too though.

Little too much, I fan too as EF, but only if VdV is gone
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Post #490 by Hovercraft » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:58 pm

Neuvirth 2 year deal at 2.5 mil per year confirmed. I wonder if we will deal Mason today or just let him walk.

I wonder if we can get any deadline deals going for:
Streit
MDZ
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VDV
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Post #491 by dbr » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:35 pm

Not a fan of extending PEB. It would be nice to see him without VdV though.
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Post #492 by FlyHigh » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:50 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:I think this really just comes down to wanting a guy on a short, cheap contract to fulfill the expansion draft requirements. They have a pretty well regarded batch of prospects, and leaving the door open for one of them to win the job over the next few years seems better than marrying the team to mediocrity, which is I think where Mason is without Reese.


Led the league in 5v5 save percentage last year without Reese. Also, what contract is Mason realistically going to get/ask for? If he's demanding 5 million per year or something and doesn't budge, I'm sure Neuvirth would still sign this deal in June considering that he's been the worst goaltender getting regular time in the NHL this year.

Mildly curious what PEB would be like if they put him with decent players, 1.45 seems a bit steep but term is fine at least.

Don't blame em if they get nothing for Streit/MDZ, really seems to be a buyer's market, low prices for both Vanek and Shattenkirk.
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Post #493 by CantSeeColors » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:37 pm

FlyHigh wrote:
CantSeeColors wrote:I think this really just comes down to wanting a guy on a short, cheap contract to fulfill the expansion draft requirements. They have a pretty well regarded batch of prospects, and leaving the door open for one of them to win the job over the next few years seems better than marrying the team to mediocrity, which is I think where Mason is without Reese.


Led the league in 5v5 save percentage last year without Reese. Also, what contract is Mason realistically going to get/ask for? If he's demanding 5 million per year or something and doesn't budge, I'm sure Neuvirth would still sign this deal in June considering that he's been the worst goaltender getting regular time in the NHL this year.

Reasonable to assume his bad habits would slowly creep back in rather than show up as soon as Reese was gone. He also had a comically bad 5v4 save percentage last year. I think Mason is absolutely better than Neuvirth, and I don't really like the deal he just got, but neither of them really push this team over the top.
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Post #494 by CantSeeColors » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:38 pm

Streit for Filppula?!
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Post #495 by DeadPhish » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:39 pm

CantSeeColors wrote:Streit for Filppula?!


And picks. But meh.
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Post #496 by MiD » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:40 pm

I don't get it
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Post #497 by dbr » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:41 pm

TSN saying we're buyers utterly disagree with that.
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Re: 2016-17 Pertinent Flyers News

Post #498 by Hovercraft » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:44 pm

Seems really odd to me, Filppula is signed for next year at 5 mil... He's better than Weiss/Weal/etc in the top 6 but I still don't see the logic. I guess he can play C and Schenn back to wing?

Hexy doing Yzerman a favor for next year's cap really, but a 4th doesn't seem like enough to make it worth it.
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Re: 2016-17 Pertinent Flyers News

Post #499 by dbr » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:47 pm

Schenn to wing. Filppula 2nd line center with Couts down to 3rd center.

It's the only reason this makes sense.
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Re: 2016-17 Pertinent Flyers News

Post #500 by CantSeeColors » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:48 pm

If he can still play a cromulent center next year, I can dig it. Our middle six needed the help.

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