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Post #201 by FlyHigh » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:25 am

In any case, it'll be interesting to see who they use the slot on, guess it's probably Manning, but wouldn't be surprised with AMac.
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Post #202 by CantSeeColors » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:59 am

Whoa, Laughton protected, raffl exposed
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Post #203 by chaosof99 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:25 am

Not happy Hexy protected Laughton and not Raffl, but I guess better than Bellemare. Still a good sign that he protected Stolarz instead of Neuvirth. Fleury and James Neal went unprotected. Fleury was obvious but Neal I find suprising.
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Post #204 by FlyHigh » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:20 pm

There goes the AMac theory, guess they also see Laughton in the NHL next year?
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Post #205 by CantSeeColors » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:33 pm

They at least see Laughton as more likely to contribute than raffl in 2-3 years, when the team is likely competitive. I think I agree with their logic, and like that hextall is still thinking long term
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Post #206 by GoneFullHextall » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:56 pm

I think it all came down to Raffl not being in their long term plans and Laughton will be.
Hoping Vegas does everyone a favor and take PEB.
Not even going to think about AMAC. Unless Hextall works out a deal. Which seems unlikely.
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Post #207 by jester » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:40 pm

I'm not sure Hextall should lose too much sleep and/or even attempt to do anything about whatever decision Vegas makes. We have some internal options likely to leap onto the roster this year ... we need to clear out some space to get where we intend to be in a couple of years.
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Post #208 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:02 pm

Whoever we lose, whether it be Neuvirth, Read, Raffl, Weise, or Bellemare (no one's touching MacDonald without some kind of incentive), chances are they weren't going to be on the roster a year or two from now, so Hextall's got the team in a pretty good spot.

And thanks for the Jake reminder. I missed him on the earlier list, which most definitely would have bumped Bellemare.

I'm a little surprised that they chose to stick with Stolarsz ahead of Neuvirth, but it's a pleasant one.
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Post #209 by chaosof99 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:57 am

I fully understand why Laughton was protected over Raffl. It essentially boils down to not give up young talents for free and exposing only veterans close to replacement level. It's just that I personally like Raffl more, and I have very little faith in Laughton. I don't see Laughton having a role on this team now or in the future, while Raffl at least for now has value as a versatile winger you can use throughout the lineup. I guess at least Laughton you can still offer as a decent trade piece if marketed correctly as a former 1st round pick.
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Post #210 by jester » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:51 am

Raffl isn't a bad player, but he's getting squeezed for a roster spot in both directions (so is Read) and probably is not a key component of this squad in a couple of years when they are (ideally) beginning to compete for something. Laughton may or may not be a component of that team, but he's probably more likely to be than Raffl ... so, I'm not sure I'd judge it in trade value. I'm not sure anyone here really watches the Phantoms, either. So, it's hard to know just how real his supposed development was last year.
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Post #211 by Hovercraft » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:36 am

Read Raffl and Weise are all pretty redundant we definitely don't need all 3. I do like Raffl the best of the 3 but still have no problem protecting Laughton. JP barry says a deal with Weal is close too.

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Post #212 by chaosof99 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:19 am

Assuming Vegas takes Raffl and we resign Weal and Vecchione, we're currently looking at the lineup below.


Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Filppula - Konecny
Weise - Couturier - Lindblom
Weal - Bellemare - Read
Vecchione

Gostisbehere - Provorov
Gudas - Sanheim
MacDonald - Manning
Morin

Neuvirth
Stolarz


There is of course the 2nd overall pick but given Hexy's MO either Patrick or Hischier is going back to juniors unless to completely kill it in Training Camp (and even then, see Ghost in two years ago). Sanheim and Morin I'm not sure about, much less that both move up as well as LIndblom. Worst thing here is I believe the goalies. Point is: Do we do anything in free agency? I see mostly Hexy going bargain hunting, perhaps venturing something on a guy like Miller at most for a year, perhaps two but even that is far out the window. If Vegas takes Raffl we have a bit over 13 million in cap space to resign Weal, Vecchione plus ELC for our draft picks and the rest is potential for a free agent.
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Post #213 by jester » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:24 am

No. 2 overall pick (either guy) is going to be a level above previous draft picks. He may not make the team, but he's probably more likely than not.

I also suspect Morin and Hagg are first up for roster spots over Sanheim, but I'd expect to see the latter next year.
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Post #214 by Hovercraft » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:33 am

Yeah I agree than Sanheim/Myers will likely be in AHL and Hagg-Morin more likely to be NHL.

An interesting goalie is Mrazek. Detroit didn't protect him. If Vegas is going with Fleury + kids, maybe we could deal them a pick to grab Mrazek for us and send him over. Apparently he was exposed for inconsistency and "attitude".
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Post #215 by GoneFullHextall » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:31 pm

I know Hextall said it that they have not closed the door on Mason, but if they havent I don't think they wait beyond July 1st.
Maybe they have closed the door on Mason and Hextall said that in response to what his agent said.
I would rather trade for Mrazek or MAF then sign Elliot, Bernier or Chad Johnson or whoever.
Detroit fans seem to think that Mrazek has some sort of attitude problem. Not sure what that is about honestly.
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Post #216 by Hovercraft » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:16 pm

I think Mrazek is like Mason and didn't like sharing his net-time with Howard.
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Post #217 by JLHockeyKnight » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:56 pm

chaosof99 wrote:Not happy Hexy protected Laughton and not Raffl, but I guess better than Bellemare. Still a good sign that he protected Stolarz instead of Neuvirth. Fleury and James Neal went unprotected. Fleury was obvious but Neal I find suprising.


A little biased, the Austrian is. :trump:

(I actually agree with you, I would have used the 7th F spot on Raffl).

Also, makes me wonder if Weal had worked out a deal prior to the protected list deadline, how likely Hextall would have protected him.
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Post #218 by JLHockeyKnight » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:59 pm

Rogers Pancreas wrote:Whoever we lose, whether it be Neuvirth, Read, Raffl, Weise, or Bellemare (no one's touching MacDonald without some kind of incentive), chances are they weren't going to be on the roster a year or two from now, so Hextall's got the team in a pretty good spot.

And thanks for the Jake reminder. I missed him on the earlier list, which most definitely would have bumped Bellemare.

I'm a little surprised that they chose to stick with Stolarsz ahead of Neuvirth, but it's a pleasant one.


Being admittedly on the Stolarz hype train, I was pleasantly surprised to see him protected.
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Post #219 by Hovercraft » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:15 pm

I assumed as soon as Neuvirth was signed it meant Stolarz was being protected
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Post #220 by vonbonds » Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:54 am

I thought for sure the Devils were going to take Patrick but it looks like you guys are going to get him. If Stolarz or Carter Hart work out and Patrick stays injury free with your defensive prospects you guys are building something special.
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Post #221 by Rogers Pancreas » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:16 pm

Honestly, goaltenders are so volatile, so insignificant, and so affordable, if both bust Hextall can probably find someone on the market to suit.
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Post #222 by chaosof99 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:05 pm

Custence is reporting that Vegas is taking Bellemare from the Flyers. Would be great for the Flyers because he is very replaceable and we get to keep Raffl. I just hope that doesn't mean we sent them additional assets to ensure such a decision.
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Post #223 by Rogers Pancreas » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:00 pm

Agreed, Chaos. I also hope this doesn't lead to Hextall re-signing Vandevelde, and instead focus on Weal.

Button and McKenzie both have Nico at 1st overall...

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Post #224 by Hovercraft » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:01 pm

I don't think we'd send assets to make them take Bellemare. We have no good players exposed really and he isn't pricey like AMac. GM must just want some good cheap leadership.
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Post #225 by chaosof99 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:40 am

Hovercraft wrote:I don't think we'd send assets to make them take Bellemare. We have no good players exposed really and he isn't pricey like AMac. GM must just want some good cheap leadership.


My thought behind this was purely by example, because several teams had side deals with Vegas to have a say in who Vegas picks. For example, the Penguins sent Vegas a 2nd rounder to make sure they took M-A Fleury, but who the fuck else would they pick from Pittsburgh? Anyway, it doesn't appear like Hextall did anything like that and I'm glad for it. I really like Pebbles as a person, but he is pretty much the epitome of "replacement level" as a player.
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Post #226 by Hovercraft » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:40 am

So how does our team shape up now? Who is our 4th line C? Laughton? Vecchione? Do we re-sign Weal?

Konecny-Giroux-Voracek
Raffl-Filppula-Simmonds
Lindblom-Couturier-Schenn
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Post #227 by FlyHigh » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:00 am

Seems like they'll definitely resign Weal right? I keep thinking Vecchione might have an inside track. It seems like he was in fairly high demand around the league, I dunno if he'd go with a team that wouldn't give him an assurance that he'd get a solid NHL shot in 17-18.
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Post #228 by GoneFullHextall » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:06 am

Vandevelde isn't coming back. It makes zero sense.
they have Lindholm, the 2OV and Laughton likely on the roster next season. They have better players in Weal and Vecchione that can play too.
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Post #229 by jester » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:21 pm

Hovercraft wrote:So how does our team shape up now? Who is our 4th line C? Laughton? Vecchione? Do we re-sign Weal?

Konecny-Giroux-Voracek
Raffl-Filppula-Simmonds
Lindblom-Couturier-Schenn
Read-Vecchione-Weise
Laughton


I think you have to pencil in the no. 2, and I think some trades happen. Schenn seems obvious trade bait, and maybe a deal coming out of camp with bottom 6 guys.
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Post #230 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:28 pm

Schenn getting traded would be the greatest thing to happen to this organization since winning the cup.
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Post #231 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:32 pm

Schenn was always the most expendable Flyer, but just thinking out loud... what's the point? The organization doesn't need cap-space, the second overall addresses the organization's need down the middle, we're loaded at D, and goaltending just doesn't stack up against goal-scorers value-wise. So, again, in what scenario does trading Schenn make sense? Especially when you still have guys like Read, Raffl, Filppula, and MacDonald on the roster.
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Post #232 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:59 pm

5v5 play would be my main argument, also the fact that Schenn has value around the league because of his power play numbers. My ideal scenario for Schenn would be to package him with a pick 2nd or later or a prospect to acquire a better winger. Schenn's gets abused 5v5 and for somebody getting paid what he gets paid it's inexcusable IMO. I'm also highly convinced you can plug a decent amount of players on our powerplay with Giroux, Voracek and Ghost and they will put up a good amount of PP goals. The Flyers over the last 12 years or so usually have a good power play averaging in the top 10 or close to it.
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Post #233 by Hovercraft » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:53 am

It doesn't too likely we'll find a good trade partner for him. Hopefully Hak keeps him with Couturier as they definitely have chemistry at even strength. Giroux-Voracek, Flippula-Simmonds and Couturier-Schenn should be the duos on each line, then figure out the LWs in camp.
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Post #234 by GoneFullHextall » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:30 am

Looking like Weal is likely gone. His agent told Hextall his client is going to test the waters.
Hextall likely has a number and wont budge from it. Have more important things to worry about.
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Post #235 by Hovercraft » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:52 am

Don't blame Weal at all, he is a young UFA so he might as well see what teams will offer him.
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Post #236 by chaosof99 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:46 pm

Anybody know where I could watch the draft online?
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Post #237 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:48 pm

Wutevah. Just as long as Hextall doesn't sign another Weise or Gordon in a panic.
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Rogers Pancreas wrote:Firstrowsports?


Trying that. For now I got a shit-level youtube stream. Click here if you want to suffer with me.

Edit, better option, hopefully.
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Post #240 by DeadPhish » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm

So we get Patrick?!?!?
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Post #241 by JLHockeyKnight » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:23 pm

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Post #242 by JLHockeyKnight » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:27 pm

Lol he said he wanted to go second. I like him already.
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Post #243 by chaosof99 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:29 pm

And it's official now. This is glad. Any reason to keep watching? 1:29 AM here now
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Post #244 by Hovercraft » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:31 pm

I kind of wish we had someone besides Mcrossin for training him though. Hopefully he is healthy and we don't rush him into injury.
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Post #245 by JLHockeyKnight » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:31 pm

Unless they make a trade, not for the Flyers. Which if they do, I'd be shocked considering the lack of depth in this draft.
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Post #246 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:40 pm

Unless you're so invested in what happens this draft that you can't wait until tomorrow morning to find out what was already going to happen, catch some Z's, chaos.

Hischier I think has the higher ceiling, but I liked Patrick more. Hopefully, Kopitar 2.0 is exactly what we get out of the guy.
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Post #247 by DeadPhish » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:42 pm

I'm happy with the pick.
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Post #248 by jester » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:39 pm

Schenn to STL! Shit just got interesting.
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Post #249 by FlyHigh » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:50 pm

Quite curious about the conditions on that 1st next year, always fun to root for another team to tank.

Even as a Schenn fan (relatively speaking), makes a lot of sense. Lehtera can probably come close to matching the ES play and comes off the books sooner, and always good to add prospects.
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Post #250 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:00 pm

The stereotypical package for a first-line player is a roster player, a major prospect, and a first. The return for Schenn: a roster player, cap relief at a time when Provorov should be looking for a raise, and two first-round picks. A shocking move if you're a fan of the Schenn experiment, but good value if you think about the big picture.

I believe the condition on the pick is that, if the Blues get a top-10 draft pick, the first gets pushed out a year, and the Flyers come away with an extra third for their efforts.
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