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Post #2001 by MiD » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:13 am

too many points lost in games with direct competitors for play-off spots, only hope is epic collapse of two teams above in standings
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Post #2002 by chaosof99 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:25 am

It's still extremely difficult. Even with Columbus losst tonight, we'd have to go at the very least 10-5-1 the rest of the way to have a chance and probably need to do better than that. And that is with 3 games against Washington and 2 against Toronto still on the table. Also doesn't help that everybody ahead of us has games in hand except for Montreal. Only saving grace is that we have a number of games against those teams left, including one against the Habs, one against the Pens, and two against the Canes. It would be a minor miracle if we made it.
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Post #2003 by CantSeeColors » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:50 am

They’ll finish two points on the outside
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Post #2004 by jester » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:28 am

chaosof99 wrote:It's still extremely difficult. Even with Columbus losst tonight, we'd have to go at the very least 10-5-1 the rest of the way to have a chance and probably need to do better than that. And that is with 3 games against Washington and 2 against Toronto still on the table. Also doesn't help that everybody ahead of us has games in hand except for Montreal. Only saving grace is that we have a number of games against those teams left, including one against the Habs, one against the Pens, and two against the Canes. It would be a minor miracle if we made it.


Pretty sure they said during the broadcast that it would be historic ... as in, no team has ever come back from so far to make the playoffs.
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Post #2005 by Hovercraft » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:55 am

St. Louis did quite the come back this year too but I guess it started earlier for them.
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Post #2006 by FlyHigh » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:43 am

Would still bet against it tbh. Outside of the 5-point gap, this resurgence has been nearly entirely driven by goaltending (they gave up over 4 goals worth of xG yesterday...).

One of the reasons I'm very "meh" on Gordon is that the underlying process hasn't really improved too much. They're a bit less of a defensive dumpster fire, but that wasn't a particularly high bar. And giving Sanheim/Lindblom time ahead of guys like Hagg/Weise wasn't rocket science. They're still middle of the road by most advanced metrics though.
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Post #2007 by Hovercraft » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:14 am

Think there is any chance we do still go after Q in the offseason?
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Post #2008 by FlyHigh » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:47 am

I assume they will, right? It's amazing how much Hart changes the calculus. This job looked like a potential dumpster fire 3 months ago. Now you look around the Metro...Pitt/Wsh are both old, CBJ are going to lose Panarin and is there a forward under 27 on that roster you get excited about besides Dubois? NYI are a nice story, but unsure if sustainable, Rangers/Devs both rebuilding.

I dunno, if Q still wants to coach, are there better opportunities out there for the next 5-6 years? That being said, he's very much an old-school guy and I'm a bit paranoid on that.
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Post #2009 by jester » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:54 am

I think there is a 100% chance they consider going after Q due to the combo of his past success and the splashy PR of it. Whether it comes to fruition is another matter.

If they make the playoffs (big if), I would be relatively surprised if Gordon does not get the gig.
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Post #2010 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:35 pm

FlyHigh wrote:Would still bet against it tbh. Outside of the 5-point gap, this resurgence has been nearly entirely driven by goaltending (they gave up over 4 goals worth of xG yesterday...).

One of the reasons I'm very "meh" on Gordon is that the underlying process hasn't really improved too much. They're a bit less of a defensive dumpster fire, but that wasn't a particularly high bar. And giving Sanheim/Lindblom time ahead of guys like Hagg/Weise wasn't rocket science. They're still middle of the road by most advanced metrics though.

The advanced metrics support what we've been saying for some time - that a team dressing Sanheim ahead of MacDonald, and Patrick ahead of Lehtera, and Lindblom ahead of Weise/Ghoul is a team that is no longer 100% reliant upon the offensive production of Giroux, Voracek, and Simmonds (who fell off a cliff in the offseason*). They're not producing a notable amount of offense, which is why we're still just an average team, but they are in no way an albatross.

*NOTE: Multiple surgeries in the offseason do not lend themselves to a proper training regiment.
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Post #2011 by CantSeeColors » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:03 pm

jester wrote:
chaosof99 wrote:It's still extremely difficult. Even with Columbus losst tonight, we'd have to go at the very least 10-5-1 the rest of the way to have a chance and probably need to do better than that. And that is with 3 games against Washington and 2 against Toronto still on the table. Also doesn't help that everybody ahead of us has games in hand except for Montreal. Only saving grace is that we have a number of games against those teams left, including one against the Habs, one against the Pens, and two against the Canes. It would be a minor miracle if we made it.


Pretty sure they said during the broadcast that it would be historic ... as in, no team has ever come back from so far to make the playoffs.

Then again, no team had won ten in a row and missed the playoffs, and no team had lost ten in a row and made them, so it would really just be par for the course with this team.

If they make the playoffs, they probably beat Tampa in five and then get swept in the second round, just for maximum weirdness.
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Post #2012 by Hovercraft » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:05 am

Sanheim actually has more points than Patrick now. Pretty crazy. 16 points in his last 21 games or something.
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Post #2013 by Rogers Pancreas » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:30 pm

If Myers continues on with his play, would you contemplate packaging Ghost for some scoring help knowing you're at risk of losing one of the big four* in the expansion draft?

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Post #2014 by FlyHigh » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:33 pm

I don't think it really makes sense to sell on Ghost when (a) his contract is a huge plus and (b) his value is pretty low. He was 10th in Norris voting just a year ago and even if you figure that's a career year (which it probably was), an offensive D who can still drive possession is a really valuable asset in this day and age.

I'd also presume that they're all in for the next couple of years (they pretty much have to be, the next couple years are really when the young guys and then Giroux and Jake are passing each other on the aging curves). Presumably they'd be dealing Ghost for futures, I'm not sure how much it helps.

Also, it really does look like Myers could be a pretty decent NHLer, but it's only been 10 games and he still gets pretty lost at times. I'm sure he's been heavily sheltered too.
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Post #2015 by Hovercraft » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:44 am

I think we keep Ghost for now and hope the PP won't suck next year under new coaching. But if someone comes along and offers too much for him, you definitely consider moving him.
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Post #2016 by jester » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:12 am

Have they announced the rules of the next expansion draft yet? I wouldn't make any move assuming its the same ... until it's the same. I am sure Vegas' quick success irked a few owners, who may not be so inclined to agree to such a friendly expansion draft.
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Post #2017 by Hovercraft » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:49 am

All I've seen is that Vegas is not participating and may not even be able to trade with other teams to help them protect players.
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Post #2018 by Rogers Pancreas » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:41 pm

I believe they're the same as before, hence why I posed the question:

https://www.nhl.com/news/seattle-2021-n ... -302586918

We can only protect three defenseman and seven forwards, or four forwards and four defenseman. The former would leave Ghost and Myers exposed (along with Gudas and Hagg), while the latter would leave Lindblom, JVR, and Voracek exposed. Neither are ideal, but if I'm a general manager... god damned if I lose a valuable asset to the expansion draft, or spend assets just to protect my roster. Just my opinion of course.
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Post #2019 by jester » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:29 pm

I'm fine with losing Voracek given his contract. Just saying.

Yeah, I'd definitely opt for exposing JVR and Voracek.
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Post #2020 by Rogers Pancreas » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:00 am

I'm open to exposing JVR. Jake, as infuriating as he can be at times, not so much.
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Post #2021 by FlyHigh » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:24 am

Yeah, by the time he'd be exposed, he'd be entering his age 32, 33, and 34 seasons at $8.25M each.

It's not necessarily a bad deal, especially if the cap goes up, but I'm not sure if I'm super-fussed about exposing him.
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Post #2022 by chaosof99 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:47 am

Boy, the Islanders and their fans sure are mad at Voracek for trying to not get boarded into next week. Seriously, what was Boychuck trying to accomplish there? Running head first into a wall?
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Post #2023 by jester » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:04 pm

It is comical that Voracek is getting a hearing for that play.
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Post #2024 by chaosof99 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:27 pm

Well, the DoPS is and remains an absolute joke. 2 games for Jake in an absolutely ludicrous decision.
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Post #2025 by Rogers Pancreas » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:24 pm

My hopes for the NHL (on the left) and my love for the game (on the right):

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Post #2026 by FlyHigh » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:40 am

Didn't Malkin only get a game for swinging his stick at Raffl?

Also (and I realize this is kind of hypocritical given the previous sentence), I watched that "Flyers-Pens Wired" show on NBCSN, main takeaway was that the amount of whinging the Pens do at the officials is ungodly. It's absolutely constant.

There was a pretty awesome moment though when Sullivan goes up to O'Halloran before the start of the 2nd and says "Just wanted you to know that two of my best d-men are out" [because of alleged dirty plays by the Flyers] and O'Halloran goes "Was there a question there?" and skates away.
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Post #2027 by Hovercraft » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:13 pm

Yeah Malkin, with lots of dirty history, gets 1 game for that. Crazy that Voracek got more than a fine considering he has 0 history for anything dirty. It was interference but it was just bad luck that it caught Boychuck in the head and that his shoulder hit the boards. Voracek was just doing a reverse hit to brace for contact, Boychuk was the one with speed.
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Post #2028 by jester » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:38 pm

Well, the NHLPA appealed the suspension ... so hopefully it gets shaved to 1 game. Either way, the whole situation is not exactly inspiring confidence in the mental sharpness at DoPS.
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Post #2029 by FlyHigh » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:54 pm

Hovercraft wrote:Yeah Malkin, with lots of dirty history, gets 1 game for that. Crazy that Voracek got more than a fine considering he has 0 history for anything dirty. It was interference but it was just bad luck that it caught Boychuck in the head and that his shoulder hit the boards. Voracek was just doing a reverse hit to brace for contact, Boychuk was the one with speed.


Just watched the DOPS video, complete gobbledygook. I know that the Flyers aren't really in the PO race, but to suspend an impact player for 2 games with that kind of justification is farcical.
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Post #2030 by jester » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:04 pm

FlyHigh wrote:
Hovercraft wrote:Yeah Malkin, with lots of dirty history, gets 1 game for that. Crazy that Voracek got more than a fine considering he has 0 history for anything dirty. It was interference but it was just bad luck that it caught Boychuck in the head and that his shoulder hit the boards. Voracek was just doing a reverse hit to brace for contact, Boychuk was the one with speed.


Just watched the DOPS video, complete gobbledygook. I know that the Flyers aren't really in the PO race, but to suspend an impact player for 2 games with that kind of justification is farcical.


That video was embarrassing.
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Post #2031 by Rogers Pancreas » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:38 pm

FlyHigh wrote:
Hovercraft wrote:Yeah Malkin, with lots of dirty history, gets 1 game for that. Crazy that Voracek got more than a fine considering he has 0 history for anything dirty. It was interference but it was just bad luck that it caught Boychuck in the head and that his shoulder hit the boards. Voracek was just doing a reverse hit to brace for contact, Boychuk was the one with speed.


Just watched the DOPS video, complete gobbledygook. I know that the Flyers aren't really in the PO race, but to suspend an impact player for 2 games with that kind of justification is farcical.

More so when you consider the DOPS, in the past, has figured the gravity of games into the lengths of their suspensions levied. But hey, who's keeping track?
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Post #2032 by chaosof99 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:21 am

Flyers wins in Pittsburgh are always fun. Kudos to Coots scoring the OT winner.
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Post #2033 by JLHockeyKnight » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:22 pm

jester wrote:Well, the NHLPA appealed the suspension ... so hopefully it gets shaved to 1 game.



Narrator: It didn't.
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Post #2035 by Hovercraft » Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:29 pm

lol Elliot didn't even react. Why hasn't Talbot got another game or 2?
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Post #2036 by MiD » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:45 pm

BREAKING: The #Flyers have named Alain Vigneault as the 21st head coach in franchise history!
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Post #2037 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:09 pm

At least we should have a great regular season?
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Post #2038 by JLHockeyKnight » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:11 pm

Konecny HypeTrain Captain wrote:At least we should have a great regular season?


I mean, current state of the team, that's a massive step up.

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