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Post #2001 by AD » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:35 am

Craig wrote:No, they thought they could be maybe the 7th best team in the East last year, pull in a couple million in playoff revenue, then deal Karlsson now and suck. They were so accidentally bad last year they kept their pick, at the cost of basically a whole year on their rebuild.

Another way of looking at this is they were willing to delay their rebuild by a year on Duchene in order to collect like 2 million in playoff revenue, which didn't work out for obvious reasons. When that didn't work out they threw away their chance at a franchise player for no reason. They can probably recoup some value from Duchene at the deadline, but they ain't getting a top 5 pick back.


Stop talking about last year. At the draft 3 months ago, they chose the 2018 pick over the 2019 pick.
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Post #2002 by Mufasa » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:44 am

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Craig wrote:No, they thought they could be maybe the 7th best team in the East last year, pull in a couple million in playoff revenue, then deal Karlsson now and suck. They were so accidentally bad last year they kept their pick, at the cost of basically a whole year on their rebuild.

Another way of looking at this is they were willing to delay their rebuild by a year on Duchene in order to collect like 2 million in playoff revenue, which didn't work out for obvious reasons. When that didn't work out they threw away their chance at a franchise player for no reason. They can probably recoup some value from Duchene at the deadline, but they ain't getting a top 5 pick back.


Stop talking about last year. At the draft 3 months ago, they chose the 2018 pick over the 2019 pick.


Well, when you have a player like Condy Ketchup, you can't pass on him.

But seriously, I feel they didn't have a plan at all. They improvised the whole thing because they just can't wait to bank on their pretty solid prospects pool.
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Post #2003 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:57 am

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Would you say we would need this year’s Seth Jones?



I'm not sure. How does this year's Seth Jones look in a Spiderman costume? I think a new thread should be started on that topic to really get to the bottom of things. This is the time, this is the place, so we look for the future. But there's not much love to go around. If only there were a thread about it.


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Post #2004 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:17 am

Craig wrote:Another way of looking at this is they were willing to delay their rebuild by a year on Duchene in order to collect like 2 million in playoff revenue, which didn't work out for obvious reasons. When that didn't work out they threw away their chance at a franchise player for no reason. They can probably recoup some value from Duchene at the deadline, but they ain't getting a top 5 pick back.


Not sure we’re saying the same thing (not that it matters). When did the sens need to notify Colorado on what year’s first they were sending? I’m saying if it was at season’s end or after -when they knew they would be picking 4th and they knew they would be trading Karlsson. Seems logical to keep the 2019 pick instead of the 2018 pick then as they knew they would very likely devolve into more shit without Karlsson and 2019 is considered (I think) a stronger draft. They basically consciously chose ketchup over their next year’s first. Which kinda looks retarder if they were going to trade Karlsson. I guess they really like Kerchup. Must see Ketchup as very consistent.
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Post #2005 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:19 am

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Craig wrote:No, they thought they could be maybe the 7th best team in the East last year, pull in a couple million in playoff revenue, then deal Karlsson now and suck. They were so accidentally bad last year they kept their pick, at the cost of basically a whole year on their rebuild.

Another way of looking at this is they were willing to delay their rebuild by a year on Duchene in order to collect like 2 million in playoff revenue, which didn't work out for obvious reasons. When that didn't work out they threw away their chance at a franchise player for no reason. They can probably recoup some value from Duchene at the deadline, but they ain't getting a top 5 pick back.


Stop talking about last year. At the draft 3 months ago, they chose the 2018 pick over the 2019 pick.


Do you know until when they had to notify Colorado?

I like to think the Avs had to act like they were going to have to pick 4th until the sens made the pick. Cause that’s kinda funny.
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Post #2006 by AD » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:19 am

For fucks sake dog. It was at the draft, minutes before their pick, in June well after the season and well after they knew they lost Hoffman and would be losing Karlsson.

See... This is what happens when you don't go to Not's BBQ. It's your only chance at spending time with real hockey talk.
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Post #2007 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:32 am

AD wrote:For fucks sake dog. It was at the draft, minutes before their pick, in June well after the season and well after they knew they lost Hoffman and would be losing Karlsson.

See... This is what happens when you don't go to Not's BBQ. It's your only chance at spending time with real hockey talk.


Yeah, just googled it. The pick was “top 10 protected”, do it had to be after the draw which was at the draft.

So, they had to chose between 2018 4th (ketchup) and 2019 1st (in a season without Karlsson and Hoffman. It was a conscious decision. They looked at the two sets of facts and chose Ketchup.

Now, they could end up being right -but it seems very unlikely.
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Post #2008 by AD » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:33 am

Exactly.
But Sakic did smile at the draft.
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Post #2009 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:34 am

At the draft, did Dorion walk towards the Avs table with intent before bifurcating towards the stage at the last second? Cause all would be forgiven if he did.
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Post #2010 by AD » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:36 am

He didn't. He just called them after the 3rd pick and said he's picking now.
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Post #2011 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:37 am

AD wrote:He didn't. He just called them after the 3rd pick and said he's picking now.


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Post #2012 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:38 am

MP, how you liking Ketchup now??!
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Post #2013 by AD » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:40 am

Why are you asking the Jets fan?
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Post #2014 by Ismellofhockey » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:52 am

Slick Nick wrote:
Ismellofhockey wrote:I'll be hanging out here now. It's not the best of times to be a Habs fan, but it sure beats being a Sens fan. I hope the guy who gave his kidney to melnyk kept the receipt.


Yeah, sorry... but we're kinda full.

Best luck next summer.


So what you're saying is AD or Dog need to be snuffed? I'm on it. A bucket of hockeybag steam is just what's called for here.
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Post #2015 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:34 am

Ismellofhockey wrote:bucket of hockeybag steam


Does it have mass?
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Post #2016 by Craig » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:50 am

Dog, stop creeping out the new guy.
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Post #2017 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:59 am

New guy gets us, greg. We just testing to see if he’s really on our (habs) side now. Mind you, we kinda changed to.

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Post #2018 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:07 am

I mean, remember, Mac came to us from a Bruins background. He’s done extraordinarily well, but man that’s a long distance from us. Sens are sorta like right next door to the habs, though. This shouldn’t be too dificult.
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Post #2019 by Macbeth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:29 am

Dog wrote:I mean, remember, Mac came to us from a Bruins background. He’s done extraordinarily well, but man that’s a long distance from us. Sens are sorta like right next door to the habs, though. This shouldn’t be too dificult.

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Post #2020 by Ismellofhockey » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:46 am

Dog wrote:
Ismellofhockey wrote:bucket of hockeybag steam


Does it have mass?


Please, no máss.
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Post #2021 by MP » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:56 am

Dog wrote:MP, how you liking Ketchup now??!

I still think it was a terrible pick.
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Post #2022 by Craig » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:03 pm

Yeah, but now you have his friend too. Everyone knows friendship wins cups.
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Post #2023 by MP » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:09 pm

It doesn't really matter though if Tkachuk turns out good and likes being in Ottawa, he'll cost too much money and be sold off to the lowest bidder.
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Post #2024 by TittiesNBeer » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:18 pm

Dog wrote:
Craig wrote:Another way of looking at this is they were willing to delay their rebuild by a year on Duchene in order to collect like 2 million in playoff revenue, which didn't work out for obvious reasons. When that didn't work out they threw away their chance at a franchise player for no reason. They can probably recoup some value from Duchene at the deadline, but they ain't getting a top 5 pick back.


Not sure we’re saying the same thing (not that it matters). When did the sens need to notify Colorado on what year’s first they were sending? I’m saying if it was at season’s end or after -when they knew they would be picking 4th and they knew they would be trading Karlsson. Seems logical to keep the 2019 pick instead of the 2018 pick then as they knew they would very likely devolve into more shit without Karlsson and 2019 is considered (I think) a stronger draft. They basically consciously chose ketchup over their next year’s first. Which kinda looks retarder if they were going to trade Karlsson. I guess they really like Kerchup. Must see Ketchup as very consistent.


They had until 24 hours before the draft to notify the Avs.
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Post #2025 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:11 pm

TittiesNBeer wrote:
Dog wrote:
Craig wrote:Another way of looking at this is they were willing to delay their rebuild by a year on Duchene in order to collect like 2 million in playoff revenue, which didn't work out for obvious reasons. When that didn't work out they threw away their chance at a franchise player for no reason. They can probably recoup some value from Duchene at the deadline, but they ain't getting a top 5 pick back.


Not sure we’re saying the same thing (not that it matters). When did the sens need to notify Colorado on what year’s first they were sending? I’m saying if it was at season’s end or after -when they knew they would be picking 4th and they knew they would be trading Karlsson. Seems logical to keep the 2019 pick instead of the 2018 pick then as they knew they would very likely devolve into more shit without Karlsson and 2019 is considered (I think) a stronger draft. They basically consciously chose ketchup over their next year’s first. Which kinda looks retarder if they were going to trade Karlsson. I guess they really like Kerchup. Must see Ketchup as very consistent.


They had until 24 hours before the draft to notify the Avs.


You sure? I mean they could not get bumped out of top ten but also didn't know their rank pre-draw.

If this is the case, this isn't nearly so stupid. Pre-draw, they more far more likely to get Dahlin or Svech than anything else.
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Post #2026 by Mufasa » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:13 pm

Jagbipojo out till march, Ottawa gonna be fun to watch, from a Habs fan perspective.
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Post #2027 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:45 pm

Dog wrote:
TittiesNBeer wrote:
Dog wrote:
Not sure we’re saying the same thing (not that it matters). When did the sens need to notify Colorado on what year’s first they were sending? I’m saying if it was at season’s end or after -when they knew they would be picking 4th and they knew they would be trading Karlsson. Seems logical to keep the 2019 pick instead of the 2018 pick then as they knew they would very likely devolve into more shit without Karlsson and 2019 is considered (I think) a stronger draft. They basically consciously chose ketchup over their next year’s first. Which kinda looks retarder if they were going to trade Karlsson. I guess they really like Kerchup. Must see Ketchup as very consistent.


They had until 24 hours before the draft to notify the Avs.


You sure? I mean they could not get bumped out of top ten but also didn't know their rank pre-draw.

If this is the case, this isn't nearly so stupid. Pre-draw, they more far more likely to get Dahlin or Svech than anything else.


Wait, never mind, the draw was during the playoffs not the draft. Remember being forced by Buttman to watch some West Coast game, the cunt.

So, it was a 4th overall in 2018 (without knowing with certainty who was going top 3) vs 2019 first.
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Post #2028 by Macbeth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:51 pm

I can understand it being difficult to admit you are going to suck donkey dicks in the coming year on June 23rd (or whatever), but they had to know they were trading EK and they had to know they were going to suck donkey dicks, and they should have come to terms with that reality and fact and they should have let go of sweet, sweet Bordie Lokechok.

FUCK

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Post #2029 by Craig » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:28 pm

Sucking harder than 4th is quite the suck. Like even on purpose it's hard to be that bad.
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Post #2030 by Dog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:29 pm

Craig wrote:Sucking harder than 4th is quite the suck. Like even on purpose it's hard to be that bad.


I like their odds of succeeding.
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Post #2031 by TittiesNBeer » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:44 pm

Craig wrote:Sucking harder than 4th is quite the suck. Like even on purpose it's hard to be that bad.
They were 2nd worst this year. The lottery bumped them to 4.
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Post #2032 by Craig » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:44 pm

TittiesNBeer wrote:
Craig wrote:Sucking harder than 4th is quite the suck. Like even on purpose it's hard to be that bad.
They were 2nd worst this year. The lottery bumped them to 4.


Oh, well that changes everything.
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Post #2033 by TittiesNBeer » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:45 pm

Dog wrote:
Dog wrote:
TittiesNBeer wrote:
They had until 24 hours before the draft to notify the Avs.


You sure? I mean they could not get bumped out of top ten but also didn't know their rank pre-draw.

If this is the case, this isn't nearly so stupid. Pre-draw, they more far more likely to get Dahlin or Svech than anything else.


Wait, never mind, the draw was during the playoffs not the draft. Remember being forced by Buttman to watch some West Coast game, the cunt.

So, it was a 4th overall in 2018 (without knowing with certainty who was going top 3) vs 2019 first.
Yes. They knew it was 4th overall. They didnt know what the Habs would do at 3.

The sabres and canes had already basically announced their picks in the media pre draft... but you could argue that wasnt a certainty.

The first real question was the habs.
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Post #2034 by AD » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:51 pm

Craig wrote:
TittiesNBeer wrote:
Craig wrote:Sucking harder than 4th is quite the suck. Like even on purpose it's hard to be that bad.
They were 2nd worst this year. The lottery bumped them to 4.


Oh, well that changes everything.


They finished 2nd worse with a better lineup in a worse draft year.
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Post #2035 by TittiesNBeer » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:02 pm

Craig wrote:
TittiesNBeer wrote:
Craig wrote:Sucking harder than 4th is quite the suck. Like even on purpose it's hard to be that bad.
They were 2nd worst this year. The lottery bumped them to 4.


Oh, well that changes everything.
Im just saying. The new lottery odds mean the last place team is less than 25% to pick 1st and less than 50% to be top 3

People are assuming the Sens are finishing last and giving up Hughes here. Thats less than 25% even if they are last.

The avs were the worst team of the cap era two years ago and went fourth.

That said... this draft is much better and i didnt like ketchup. Sens should have given up the 2018 pick
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Post #2036 by AD » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:05 pm

See Craig. I'm with Beaker. :colbert:
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Post #2037 by Craig » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:23 pm

So am I. We all are.
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Post #2038 by Macbeth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:37 pm

We all are with Bikor.

This must warm his heart so much.
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Post #2039 by Ismellofhockey » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:32 am

TittiesNBeer wrote:
Craig wrote:
TittiesNBeer wrote:They were 2nd worst this year. The lottery bumped them to 4.


Oh, well that changes everything.
Im just saying. The new lottery odds mean the last place team is less than 25% to pick 1st and less than 50% to be top 3

People are assuming the Sens are finishing last and giving up Hughes here. Thats less than 25% even if they are last.

The avs were the worst team of the cap era two years ago and went fourth.

That said... this draft is much better and i didnt like ketchup. Sens should have given up the 2018 pick



But it's not just Hughes. If they finish last (and when your defence looks like Ottawa's right now, it's hard to believe they'll do any better than last) they have an 18.5% shot at Hughes. A 16.5% shot at whoever goes 2nd, a 14.4% shot at whomever goes 3rd, and a 50.6% shot at whomever is 4th.

It looks like Kakko is the 4th ranked player right now. That means the Sens brass decided Tkachuk was not only better than Kakko, but better enough to give up an 18.5% shot at Hughes, plus a 16.5% shot at Turcotte and a 14.4% shot at Byram, or Tkachuk was better than Kakko+49.4% shot at one of Hughes, Turcotte or Byram.

They seem to have based their strategy on friendship. The friendships of Tkachuk, Norris, White and Brown, of Tychonik and Bernard-Docker. Was that strategy worth sacrificing both Karlsson and a shot at Hughes or Turcotte?
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Post #2040 by Dog » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:40 am

Consistency.
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Post #2041 by TittiesNBeer » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:44 am

Macbeth wrote:We all are with Bikor.

This must warm his heart so much.
It makes me angry and think I might be wrong for the first time ever.

Then i realize that would mean Dorion is right.

And i am secure in my knowledge than I am right. :lr:
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Post #2042 by AD » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:26 pm

Reading the threads on the Sens board is so depressing...

:why:

Where can I find happy hockey fans (please don't say the Leafs board... god fucking save you if you say the Leafs board)
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Post #2043 by Mufasa » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:27 pm

I think we're winning the cup this season, am I happy about it? No.
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Post #2044 by mcphee » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:33 pm

AD wrote:Reading the threads on the Sens board is so depressing...

:why:

Where can I find happy hockey fans (please don't say the Leafs board... god fucking save you if you say the Leafs board)

2 doors down from us, lady raised 5 girls, mainly on her own. 2nd youngest is developmentally delayed, he says not knowing the right term. She's probably 30ish now, functions well enough not sure that she works but she's a nice kid, we usually chat when we meet while walking dogs. She's a big hockey fan, Sens fanatic, and we usually tease each other back and forth.

On Saturday I noticed a pile of Sens gear piled in their front yard. Now that's sad.
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Re: Other teams that don't suck and the Sens

Post #2045 by Craig » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:33 pm

AD wrote:Reading the threads on the Sens board is so depressing...

:why:

Where can I find happy hockey fans (please don't say the Leafs board... god fucking save you if you say the Leafs board)


The Leafs board.
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Re: Other teams that don't suck and the Sens

Post #2046 by mcphee » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:36 pm

Craig wrote:
AD wrote:Reading the threads on the Sens board is so depressing...

:why:

Where can I find happy hockey fans (please don't say the Leafs board... god fucking save you if you say the Leafs board)


The Leafs board.

I'll do what I can, but I make no promises.
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Re: Other teams that don't suck and the Sens

Post #2047 by AD » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:37 pm

You shouldn't have done that Craig.
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Post #2048 by mcphee » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:40 pm

AD wrote:You shouldn't have done that Craig.

Tom, for old times sake, can you let him off the hook ?
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Post #2049 by AD » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:43 pm

Can't do it, Sally.
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Post #2050 by mcphee » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:46 pm

AD wrote:Can't do it, Sally.

I'll tell Craig it's business, you always liked him.

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