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Post #401 by Germz » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:05 pm

Really like Reinhart after watching this tournament. Maybe not a flashy superstar, but looks like someone who will quietly be a very good player, and a versatile one, for a long time.
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Post #402 by i.m. fletcher » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:28 pm

Germz wrote:Really like Reinhart after watching this tournament. Maybe not a flashy superstar, but looks like someone who will quietly be a very good player, and a versatile one, for a long time.


brind amour'ish i would say
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Post #403 by King Clancy » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:49 am

Is that a disappointment for a second overall pick though?

Sounds more like Radek Bonk or David Legwand than Bobby Ryan or Jason Spezza.

I'm not saying those are comparables, just that that's kind of what you described.
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Post #404 by Germz » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:43 am

I was thinking of Turris as a comparable actually. Except maybe a better distributor, but without that lethal shot.

Too early to talk about Turris's longevity though.

Brind'Amour was a very good offensive player. Leagues ahead of either Bonk or Legwand in terms of vision and puck skills.
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Post #405 by King Clancy » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:16 am

Germz wrote:Brind'Amour was a very good offensive player. Leagues ahead of either Bonk or Legwand in terms of vision and puck skills.


Yes but I wouldn't describe Brind'amour as "someone who will quietly be a very good player, and a versatile one, for a long time". He was better than that. He was a legitimate star.

Turris is an interesting comparison. I do worry about his longevity since he's a beanpole, but the reality is he just never seems to get injured or miss any time. Smart player.
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Post #406 by mayoradamwest » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:32 am

Paul got a surprising amount of ice time in the third, apparently he was reliable. It was a lot of fun seeing LazAr and Paul on a top line, and being good. Can't remember a more interesting tournament as a Sens fan.
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Post #407 by Germz » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:43 am

King Clancy wrote:Yes but I wouldn't describe Brind'amour as "someone who will quietly be a very good player, and a versatile one, for a long time". He was better than that. He was a legitimate star.

Turris is an interesting comparison. I do worry about his longevity since he's a beanpole, but the reality is he just never seems to get injured or miss any time. Smart player.


Probably just a misunderstanding between our two definitions of what "very good" and "quietly" mean. I like the Brind'Amour comparison because although it's true that he was widely seen as a star, you'd rarely see him talked about as a top-10 centre in the league, for example, the way his teammates Lindros and later Eric Staal would be talked about.
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Post #408 by zamboner » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:04 pm

Nick Paul is intriguing.
- gigantic with an enormous reach
- soft hands with a decent hockey IQ
- defensively responsible and skates hard on the back-check
- skates like a running saskquatch. He looks like he is cross-country skiing. It is really weird and disturbing.

Thankfully, he can work on his skating. A lovely prospect indeed.
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Post #409 by Ricard_Persson » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:59 pm

I can't remember ever tuning into Canadian games from a SNES perspective and being excited about a forward or two.

Spezza was awful in his year, Nick Paul arguably better.


I remember Phillips, Redden, Jeffery Glass. The days.
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Post #410 by King Clancy » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:08 pm

Cowen?

He was... There.
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Post #411 by MP » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:11 pm

King Clancy wrote:Cowen?

He was... There.


3rd pairing, and was ridiculed for his brain farts and boneheaded play. Which at the time were excused by the faithful as rust after returning from injury.
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Post #412 by MP » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:13 pm

Seems Winterpeg has a bright future as well.
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Post #413 by MP » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:19 pm

A guy I liked was Vladislav Gavrikov. Big stay at home Russian d-man.
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Post #414 by King Clancy » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:58 pm

MP wrote:3rd pairing, and was ridiculed for his brain farts and boneheaded play. Which at the time were excused by the faithful as rust after returning from injury.


That was the first year. I seem to remember him actually making some kind of list in his second time around?
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Post #415 by King Clancy » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:59 pm

MP wrote:A guy I liked was Vladislav Gavrikov. Big stay at home Russian d-man.


Reminded me a bit of Volchenkov, who was also captain of that team back in the day. He scored the gwg in the final game against Canada, in a comeback victory for the Russians.
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Post #416 by mayoradamwest » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:26 pm

At least we're getting Bertuzzi
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Post #417 by BlackRedGold » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:58 pm

Ricard_Persson wrote:I can't remember ever tuning into Canadian games from a SNES perspective and being excited about a forward or two.

Spezza was awful in his year, Nick Paul arguably better.


Stone was pretty good. Laich was very Paulesque back in the day. Then there was Daigle.
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Post #418 by BlackRedGold » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:00 pm

MP wrote:Seems Winterpeg has a bright future as well.


You've obviously never been there.
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Post #419 by ben. » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:02 pm

King Clancy wrote:Seriously though, Gauthier is terrible.

TSN talking about how fortuitous it is that he's the centre on the ice after an icing call. Yeah, that's because his line can't get out of their own zone and have to ice it.

Then he lost the draw for good measure.


Gauthier and Petan for me were the goats on the team. Petan in particular was just dreadful to watch last night. I stoped counting the number of times he tried to do something cute or forced a play and it was instantly turned around and generated a quality scoring chance. Was genuinely surprised that he wasn't glued to the bench after the mid way point of the 2nd
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Post #420 by mayoradamwest » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:05 pm

ben. wrote:Gauthier and Petan for me were the goats on the team. Petan in particular was just dreadful to watch last night. I stoped counting the number of times he tried to do something cute or forced a play and it was instantly turned around and generated a quality scoring chance. Was genuinely surprised that he wasn't glued to the bench after the mid way point of the 2nd


I kinda wondered if petan was really with it, got hurt early and didn't have a good shift after. I thought the announcers said he took a head shot? Dunno.

Gauthier - I like him to be honest, but he looks to have Travis Moen upside at best.
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Post #421 by Redden Punches Faces » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:10 pm

I had a boner for stoner, a few years back :grapes:
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Post #422 by Ricard_Persson » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:20 pm

Forgot about stone folks. I remember seeing him score all those goals hoping ottawa would trade him at his career peak.


Didn't think he'd ever learn to skate, folks.
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Post #423 by Germz » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:22 pm

Yeah looked to me like Petan never recovered from that 1st period injury. He was uncharacteristically dopey all night.
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Post #424 by RTWAP » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:19 pm

MP wrote:A guy I liked was Vladislav Gavrikov. Big stay at home Russian d-man.


No chance. He's doing everything he can to be drafted by the Leafs.
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Post #425 by mayoradamwest » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:38 pm

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Post #426 by King Clancy » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:17 pm

@BSens_Hockey wrote: #Phantoms strike early... 1-0 lead as Cousins beats Hammonds 14 seconds into the 1st


I hope they upgrade on Hammond soon because he's trash. He lets in the first shot of the game on a consistent basis, so they're often behind the eight ball right at the start.
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Post #427 by mayoradamwest » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:26 pm

7. Senators’ 2011 first-rounder Matt Puempel is off his 2013-14 pace of 30 goals for AHL Binghamton, with 11 in 41 games so far this year. But he’s got a fan in Ottawa: Bryan Murray.

“We’re getting more chances, but they aren’t resulting in goals,” Murray said last week. “All (Matt) does is score. We have no space at the moment, but his time is coming.”

Edit: tried posting the link, my iPad doesn't think that's a good idea. It wins.
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Post #428 by Redden Punches Faces » Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:22 pm

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Post #429 by FH2002 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:15 pm

mayoradamwest wrote:7. Senators’ 2011 first-rounder Matt Puempel is off his 2013-14 pace of 30 goals for AHL Binghamton, with 11 in 41 games so far this year. But he’s got a fan in Ottawa: Bryan Murray.

“We’re getting more chances, but they aren’t resulting in goals,” Murray said last week. “All (Matt) does is score. We have no space at the moment, but his time is coming.”

Edit: tried posting the link, my iPad doesn't think that's a good idea. It wins.


Apple’s $18 billion quarterly profit agrees with that.
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Post #431 by mayoradamwest » Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:56 pm

Show off. :colbert:
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Post #433 by zamboner » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:29 pm

The chatter is that Luke Richardson will be the next head coach of the Buffalo Sabres. I swear, if Tim steals Michael Sdao from us, I will shit.
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Post #434 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:47 pm

Where does Lindberg rank in your prospect pool? Watched him tonight. Big, fast, and some slick hands. #impressive
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Post #435 by RTWAP » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:53 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Where does Lindberg rank in your prospect pool? Watched him tonight. Big, fast, and some slick hands. #impressive


One of the better sites didn't even rank him in the top 25 under 25 last summer, but this season has been quite an eye-opener. He'll definitely make the list this summer.

Mitigating that somewhat is that 9 of the 25 players ranked are currently on the Sens roster so it's not really a pure prospect list.
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Post #436 by Redden Punches Faces » Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:17 am

make no mistake, he is one the most handsome prospects we've had in years.
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swoon, folks
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Post #437 by mayoradamwest » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:27 pm

He can saucer my pass any day
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Post #438 by i.m. fletcher » Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:55 pm

He either looks Ivan Drago from Rocky 4, or Ivan Drago's wife from Rocky 4.

Either way, USSR! USSR!
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Post #439 by N Bahn Ahden » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:33 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Where does Lindberg rank in your prospect pool? Watched him tonight. Big, fast, and some slick hands. #impressive


If he has hands now, that's an intriguing prospect.
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Post #440 by Germz » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:11 pm

Pageau returns to Bingo, immediately scores two short-handed goals in first game back.
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Post #441 by NyQuil » Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:03 pm

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Post #442 by ben. » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:53 am

Chris Wideman got awarded the Eddie Shore award for best defensemen in the AHL. Quite a nice way for him to cap off a break-out campaign. In many ways, his development seems to have followed his draft companion Hoffman (AHL All-Star Game invite and First AHL All-Star team). It will be interesting to see what happens to him at camp next year. With the constant emergence of Ceci and Weirchioch's play that has redeemed him during this stretch, he might be on the outside looking in due to the number of offensive defensemen we will have. I have not seem enough of him to read if he will be able to use his stick and speed effectively to defend in the NHL, but he definitely excels at moving the puck from the goal line to the blue line and has a really great shot once he is in the offensive zone (less of a PP QB, and more of shooter)

http://theahl.com/wideman-voted-winner-of-eddie-shore-award-p197316

If management does see his game translating to the NHL however, it does really give them some interesting options during the summer. We could see another quantity for quality trade centered around 1 or 2 of our defensemen and a goalie (things that really seem to be at a premium these days).

Also, as it seems to be the flavour of the month, his development is an incredible statement to the scouting staff and player development staff. If Wideman were to make it to the NHL, the 2009 draft would have produced 5 NHL'ers following the 4 in the 2008 draft. Simply astounding.
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Post #443 by ben. » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:05 am

ben. wrote:Chris Wideman got awarded the Eddie Shore award for best defensemen in the AHL. Quite a nice way for him to cap off a break-out campaign. In many ways, his development seems to have followed his draft companion Hoffman (AHL All-Star Game invite and First AHL All-Star team). It will be interesting to see what happens to him at camp next year. With the constant emergence of Ceci and Weirchioch's play that has redeemed him during this stretch, he might be on the outside looking in due to the number of offensive defensemen we will have. I have not seem enough of him to read if he will be able to use his stick and speed effectively to defend in the NHL, but he definitely excels at moving the puck from the goal line to the blue line and has a really great shot once he is in the offensive zone (less of a PP QB, and more of shooter)

http://theahl.com/wideman-voted-winner-of-eddie-shore-award-p197316

If management does see his game translating to the NHL however, it does really give them some interesting options during the summer. We could see another quantity for quality trade centered around 1 or 2 of our defensemen and a goalie (things that really seem to be at a premium these days).

Also, as it seems to be the flavour of the month, his development is an incredible statement to the scouting staff and player development staff. If Wideman were to make it to the NHL, the 2009 draft would have produced 5 NHL'ers following the 4 in the 2008 draft. Simply astounding.
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Post #444 by Ricard_Persson » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:23 am

You can't have enough guys that can move the puck out of their end. That's one thing Gryboro can't do. I see no reason to have two lumbering duds that collapse and get in shooting lanes because that's all they can do, in favour of a more skilled guy that can get the puck out when he has it on his stick.

Can't see him not on the team next year. This current team needs two more D next year to really make a jump up.
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Post #445 by discostu » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:40 am

ben. wrote:
Also, as it seems to be the flavour of the month, his development is an incredible statement to the scouting staff and player development staff. If Wideman were to make it to the NHL, the 2009 draft would have produced 5 NHL'ers following the 4 in the 2008 draft. Simply astounding.


Murray was very intent to restock the system when he came in. He had no prep for 2007, and then traded all his late round picks for the following year. I think he spent a good chunk of time that first year in the role building his scouting team, and was going to make the most of his picks.
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Post #446 by King Clancy » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:20 am

Are we still thinking of Ceci as an offensive defenseman?

He can skate and he can carry the puck up ice, but I don't see much more than 20-25 points out of him. Maybe 30. More like a Chris Philips type, really. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Post #447 by ben. » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:22 am

Ricard_Persson wrote:You can't have enough guys that can move the puck out of their end. That's one thing Gryboro can't do. I see no reason to have two lumbering duds that collapse and get in shooting lanes because that's all they can do, in favour of a more skilled guy that can get the puck out when he has it on his stick.

Can't see him not on the team next year. This current team needs two more D next year to really make a jump up.


I just realized that he is a UFA however if he doesn't sign by July 1st. That is going to be interesting. There doesn't seem to be any indication that he won't re-sign, but always a risk. The fact that Bingo just signed his brother Alex (on national sibling day none the less) might play in favour of Ottawa and make it easier to sign Wideman.
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Post #448 by sensdiehard » Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:46 am

Is Wideman likely to be better than Wiercioch? It probably would be wiser to get a more mobile d for the bottom pairing, but i still cant shake long held beliefs that we need a large, crease clearing, stay at home dman role.

Ceci has had a quiet year, but it is his sophomore year, im still holding out hope he's got development steps left. Then again, i've held out hope for Zack for the longest time too.

Sobering to look back to 2009-10 and remember all the calls for firing Murray because all he could do was bring in the likes of Jason Smith and hang on to old, slow vets. GM evaluations really are difficult to make during their first 5 years. Detroit's Cups came from an incredible draft year. While ours were impressive, looking at Columbus ending the season with perhaps as many wins as us and 9-0-1, and the coming Mcdavid Reinhart sabres, just getting better isnt good enough.
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Post #449 by King Clancy » Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:29 am

How is Wideman a ufa?

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