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Post #1 by King Clancy » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:54 pm

Michael Sdao signs an ATO with Bingo.

Boreds poster Bruiser thinks that means he'll be playing for (and sticking with) the Sens by the end of the season.
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Post #2 by Germz » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:49 pm

I've heard good things about Sdao over the years, not only from boards (dubious sources) but also IIRC from some of our development camp attendees here on this site. Never seen him play myself.

Now that Gryba is looking like he may be an NHLer, it's nice to know we have another big D making his way up the pipeline. Sdao is only one year younger so we could realistically be hearing from him at next year's camp. There will be other D kicking around fighting for those bottom spots, though, like Boro and maybe even Freddy Claesson. I doubt Blood is much in play as long as Gryba is around and looking like a more useful version of him, but what do I know, I never watch these guys.
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Post #3 by RTWAP » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:21 am

Germz wrote:I've heard good things about Sdao over the years, not only from boards (dubious sources) but also IIRC from some of our development camp attendees here on this site. Never seen him play myself.

Now that Gryba is looking like he may be an NHLer, it's nice to know we have another big D making his way up the pipeline. Sdao is only one year younger so we could realistically be hearing from him at next year's camp. There will be other D kicking around fighting for those bottom spots, though, like Boro and maybe even Freddy Claesson. I doubt Blood is much in play as long as Gryba is around and looking like a more useful version of him, but what do I know, I never watch these guys.


I've liked Sdao from those prospect camps, but I was just hoping he could develop into what Gryba currently looks like he is ... a big solid gritty defensive D-man with just enough mobility and offensive skill not to cripple the offense.
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Post #4 by Ricard_Persson » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:48 am

How do you pronounce Sdao? The YouTube Guy doesn't have it in the database.


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Post #5 by Muffin Mannequin » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:15 am

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Post #6 by Hossa » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:43 am

Germz wrote:I've heard good things about Sdao over the years, not only from boards (dubious sources) but also IIRC from some of our development camp attendees here on this site. Never seen him play myself.


If Sdao's as good a fighter as his reputation suggests, then he stands a good chance of kicking around the organization for a couple years. This morning it was announced he also signed an ELC with the big club.

A guy like Aneloski, who is also graduating, might get lost in the numbers and not get signed though. With Gryba, Borocop, Sdao, Wideman, Blood and Claesson all signed for next year, we're starting to accumulate a lot of low-upside blueline depth at the pro level, plus Ceci and now Rutkowski.
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Post #7 by BlackRedGold » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:10 am

Hossa wrote:A guy like Aneloski, who is also graduating, might get lost in the numbers and not get signed though. With Gryba, Borocop, Sdao, Wideman, Blood and Claesson all signed for next year, we're starting to accumulate a lot of low-upside blueline depth at the pro level, plus Ceci and now Rutkowski.


Doesn't he have another year in college?
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Post #8 by Hossa » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:33 am

BlackRedGold wrote:Doesn't he have another year in college?


Pretty sure he's listed as a Senior, as the half-year he played at Providence before we drafted him counts against his eligibility.
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Post #9 by BlackRedGold » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:44 am

Hossa wrote:Pretty sure he's listed as a Senior, as the half-year he played at Providence before we drafted him counts against his eligibility.


I missed that on hockeydb. He's had a strange development path.
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Post #10 by Indrew » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:34 pm

I thought Junior Sdao was dead.
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Post #11 by Redden Punches Faces » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:58 am

you're thinking of lil wayne
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Post #12 by sensdiehard » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:49 am

Sdao, a guy with a great goal song awaiting as muffin man linked, gets in his first fight in the bsens fancy st patty's day uniforms. A lefty too.

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Post #13 by King Clancy » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:10 pm

Sdao lay a beat-down:

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Post #14 by zamboner » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:18 pm

Please tell me those are St. Patty's Day jerseys.
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Post #15 by Ricard_Persson » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:55 pm

That play by play guy is better than Dean, Dennis, and Gord combined.
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Post #16 by RTWAP » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:46 pm

Ricard_Persson wrote:That play by play guy is better than Dean, Dennis, and Gord combined.


I like Grady. I wish we could import him and the beat writer for the BSens.
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Post #17 by King Clancy » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:18 pm

Apparently we signed another goalie?

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Post #18 by senate » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:41 pm

Doesn't that put us over the contract limit? Or does that not exist in the new CBA?
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Post #19 by ben. » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:11 pm

senate wrote:Doesn't that put us over the contract limit? Or does that not exist in the new CBA?


Capgeek indicates that we had 52 contracts before the Rukowski signing with 3 of those that could slide onto next year (and apparently Rukowski's can slide as well).
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It is particularly interesting to see how the Murray's are diving are signing released or unsigned prospects to fill up the cupboards to the brim. One has to imagine that the compete level between the kids in the system now must be through the roof as every player knows that if he is not giving it is all, he will be cut to make room for upcoming contracts (Jakob Culek being a prime example).
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Post #20 by mayoradamwest » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:38 pm

King Clancy wrote:Apparently we signed another goalie?



Andrew Hammond


He's 25? I get the idea of the late bloomer, but there doesn't seem to be any realistic timeframe for him to make ottawa. Good to have goalies, but I'm a little surprised someone in that situation would choose the Sens.
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Post #21 by RTWAP » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:48 am

mayoradamwest wrote:He's 25? I get the idea of the late bloomer, but there doesn't seem to be any realistic timeframe for him to make ottawa. Good to have goalies, but I'm a little surprised someone in that situation would choose the Sens.


There is a really good chance that after this season there will be nobody of consequence in the AHL. Starting your career as the 3rd string goalie isn't a bad deal. He could easily get called up for a few weeks or a month on the roster as soon as next year. And timing-wise, if Anderson leaves or is traded in two or three years then he might be in line for the backup job. Which would ideally be around the time he would have proven himself ready for it.
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Post #23 by RTWAP » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:54 pm

King Clancy wrote:Bingo seems to use them a lot for their ECHL guys. I wouldn't worry about it too much. The organisation will try out Gryba before they give that sack of shit a game in the bigs.

Now as far as Bingo is concerned, I think it's a great move. Lebda can help offset the loss of Benoit's offense. That team's missing 3 of its top 4 D, they can make do for a few weeks but after that it starts to show.


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Post #24 by mayoradamwest » Thu May 02, 2013 10:40 pm

Bingo out, though Stone and Puempel seemed to be in on a good portion of their goals in the playoffs.
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Post #25 by mayoradamwest » Mon May 06, 2013 6:46 pm

“Some things are kind out of your control,” he says. “I’ve learned to put God first. God’s always there for you.”

While the same hasn’t been true for hockey, there are signs things are starting to get back to normal. He’s jogging now, doing some light weightlifting and even skating again. Not full out, but he’s back on the ice. It’s progress. A specialist in Guelph is working on his neck muscles since that seems to be part of the issue as it was with Sidney Crosby and his concussion problems.

Maidens expects to be back in uniform in the fall. Playing full-speed again, just as well as he was before the injury.

“I’m not concerned,” he says. “I know I’ll be the same player.”

With a new appreciation for his health. And the game he can’t wait to play again.

http://www.thespec.com/sports-story/2551157-ongoing-concussion-symptoms-have-slowed-great-potential-of-grimsby-s-m/

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Post #26 by Germz » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:08 pm

Since we generally have a lack of Bingo posters here, I'll re-post this from sens83 on HF because I found it a good read.

He is particularly high on Michael Sdao. If the Murrays share that point of view, that could increase the likelihood of using Cowen or Gryba as trade bait as discussed in the off-season thread. Also interesting to hear praise for Cowick as he is an afterthought for most of us at this point considering how many young forwards we have in the organization.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=66949691&postcount=56

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Puempel has a snipers shot, seems like he is a slick skater with good instinct to get the the net. He was one of the only guys that could put the puck in the net at the end of the year for us. That's saying a lot that this kid just jumped in from juniors and started producing day 1. He's got wheels and ability. I expect him to produce next year. For all the hype around Puempel and Noesen, I know Puempel can make it happen based on what I see, but i'm more excited to see Noesen. We got swept before he had a chance to get into a game.

Sdao, wow, this kid had me won over the first game he played. Big bruising defensemen. I think he'll be ready next year for some time in the NHL as he isn't really a puck-mover or scorer. Think Gryba but instead of it taking 3-4 years for him to develop, he's ready now or close to it. I see this kid filling in for Phillips when he retires. Having Cowen, Methot, Sdao, and Gryba as your bruisers to pair with Karlsson, Ceci, and Wiercioch is going to be quite sick. However, like I said earlier, I wouldn't be surprised if Murray dangles Cowen out there to get a Top-6 forward in return. If I knew I had this kid in the pipeline...just saying...

Ceci, showed flashes of potential. Good puck mover with an instinct to shoot and he wasn't shy. He started off very timid in his first game, again may have been nervous. He also seemed to be a little bit unsure what to do on occasion. There were a few instances where he looked like a fish out of the water, he caught a pass and then froze unsure if he should pass or shoot. Wiercioch was like this too when he first came up and it drove me nuts. I think a year with Luke and he'll gain some confidence and the game will follow. Patience is needed here. Sounds like some people are ready to rush him into the NHL. I think you have enough prospects in front of him where you can take your time. Think of him being a Karlsson junior, I see the potential there. Definitely has more potential than Wiercioch.

Also, Corey Cowick. Not on a lot of peoples radar, but I personally feel he got snubbed for a call-up at the end of the year. Hands down, easily, our most improved player. And he spent most of the year on a line with Pageau. I can see him challenging for a fourth line role in camp next year, may not make it, but the kid deserves a look.
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Post #27 by Germz » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:11 pm

His earlier post in the same thread:

As someone who watched Binghamton for 60+ games in person this season, I have to say this is pretty accurate. Good post.

However, I do disagree with a few. First of all Ceci and Puempel should be rising. They both played about 10 games at the end of the season and both jumped right in like they were there all year. Puempel had an added benefit of having played in the A last year too, but these kids both have skill.

For those questioning Claesson over Gryba, the answer is yes. Claesson was one of the more consistent D-men we had on the team all year. Him coupled with Wideman should be considered a decent mid-level prospect. I doubt these guys would amount to anything more than a Top-6 D-man in the NHL, but hey you never know.

Cowick, wow, this kid went to a new level this season. His last year, needs to be qualified.

Sdao, I can not wait until we have this kid in Binghamton for a full season. He was at Gryba's level the minute he joined the team. Kid may even make Ottawa if he has a good camp. I see him replacing Cowen if he is traded.

Prince, along with Puempel, was Bingo's only real scoring threat this season.

DaCosta, he can make the NHL somewhere, if he cares enough.

Blood, yuck...'nuff said.

Kramer, he can skate and he can fight...not much else.

Wacey Hamilton, falling, he just seemed to be mediocre in the AHL this season, granted he was injured for most of it. So maybe he gets a pass

Petersson, falling, kid just doesn't have the heart. I know it sounds odd, he has all the skill in the world but when you watch him out on the ice, i just don't think he gives it his all every shift. Rarely do i see him skate hard on the backcheck.

Culek, stable, not sure on this kid yet, only saw him for a few games, good size and decent skill. Verdict isn't out yet.

Grant/DZ, both of them should be treading. I think Grant can crack the NHL. DZ can crack it as a fourth liner.
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Post #28 by freakin » Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:34 pm

Good, I was starting to worry this place was Sens nerd central.
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Post #29 by RTWAP » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:46 am

Germz wrote:Since we generally have a lack of Bingo posters here, I'll re-post this from sens83 on HF because I found it a good read.

He is particularly high on Michael Sdao. If the Murrays share that point of view, that could increase the likelihood of using Cowen or Gryba as trade bait as discussed in the off-season thread. Also interesting to hear praise for Cowick as he is an afterthought for most of us at this point considering how many young forwards we have in the organization.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=66949691&postcount=56


I've been high on Sdao since I saw him in his first prospect camp. He moves well for a big guy and isn't bad with the puck.
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Post #30 by MP » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:07 am

So all our prospects are NHL calibre... Gotcha.
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Post #31 by mayoradamwest » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:35 am

Masterplan wrote:So all our prospects are NHL calibre... Gotcha.


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Post #32 by discostu » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:05 pm

It does feel like Sens fans are getting a little fanboyish about our prospects. The recent success rate has been incredible, but, I'm trying to remain a little skeptical about the ability to continue to convert 3rd and 4th round picks into steady NHLers.

This past season was about as perfect of an opportunity for a strong farm system, with the depth getting us to the playoffs when we should have fallen off. But, in a normal year, having an abundance of 4th liners and bottom pairing defenceman is a marginal advantage. Still a good position to be in, but, the bigger test for the organization is getting a a few of these prospects to the upper tier.
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Post #33 by Germz » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:12 pm

Fellas my intention was not to bombard us with fanboyism but to give us some thoughts from a Bingo fan, especially regarding Sdao, Cowick, Puempel, Ceci. These can be taken with a grain of salt but I also feel like this poster is fairly measured. Not trying to deny that we are rich in depth prospects and poor in high-end talent.
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Post #34 by i.m. fletcher » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:39 pm

If anything, it shows what a ridiculous drafting streak the Murray's have been on. Many teams do the deadline dump, but how many turn all of those picks into legitimate prospects?

Really, the biggest questions relate to first rounders, which is more about where they land on the depth charts.
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Post #35 by Germz » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:09 pm

i.m. fletcher wrote:If anything, it shows what a ridiculous drafting streak the Murray's have been on. Many teams do the deadline dump, but how many turn all of those picks into legitimate prospects?

Really, the biggest questions relate to first rounders, which is more about where they land on the depth charts.


Yeah. That pipeline of good but unspectacular prospects is so crucial to team success. When I look back to the pre-Muckler era, that is one thing that jumps out at me. Over five drafts (1996-2000) we acquired Phillips, Salo, Dackell, Rachunek, Neil, Fisher, Havlat, Arvedson, Kelly, Volchenkov, Vermette, who all became (at some point) successful secondary pieces from the pipeline. But that depth meant that we were also later able to trade some excess draft assets (Salo, Laich, Gleason, Klepis, even Kaigarodov eventually) in an attempt to shore up organizational weaknesses. Of that group, only Phillips was even a top-20 pick.

But the pipeline only builds the contender if you have the high-end core. 10-15 years ago we had Alfredsson, Hossa, Redden, Chara to be those top dogs, with Spezza developing. Now we have Karlsson, injury-prone Spezza, and Anderson, with no real blue-chippers in the cupboard.
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Post #36 by discostu » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:24 pm

Germz wrote:Fellas my intention was not to bombard us with fanboyism but to give us some thoughts from a Bingo fan, especially regarding Sdao, Cowick, Puempel, Ceci. These can be taken with a grain of salt but I also feel like this poster is fairly measured. Not trying to deny that we are rich in depth prospects and poor in high-end talent.


I wasn't pointing a finger or anything, it just feels like we're spending a lot of time talking about how everyone we have is turning into an NHL player. It feels like a dangerous mindset to have, as the tide will turn against us at some point.

I'm also wondering if good coaching at both AHL and NHL levels are making some of our guys look a little better than they are.
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Post #37 by RTWAP » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:28 pm

Masterplan wrote:So all our prospects are NHL calibre... Gotcha.


Yes. Mostly small calibre though. Lots of .22s. Not many .30s and no .45s.
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Post #38 by RTWAP » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:37 pm

discostu wrote:It does feel like Sens fans are getting a little fanboyish about our prospects. The recent success rate has been incredible, but, I'm trying to remain a little skeptical about the ability to continue to convert 3rd and 4th round picks into steady NHLers.


It's been fun seeing the guys at the prospects camp because it's our only chance to see these guys that play in very different leagues all in the same place against the same competition. It's kind of a Rosetta Stone for translating between success in different leagues.

Back to Sdao, I remember thinking he looked better than Gryba, Claesson, and Ceci but Ceci was just coming off an injury IIRC and it was also his first camp as an 18 year-old.

Bryce Aneloski looked decent too. I guess we'll find out in the next few weeks whether they're going to sign him or let him go.

Pageau looked great at the development camp too, but I can't recall if that was 2011 or 2012. I think it was 2011 (the Filatov camp).
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Post #39 by mayoradamwest » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:39 pm

RTWAP wrote:Yes. Mostly small calibre though. Lots of .22s. Not many .30s and no .45s.


That seems to be it, though who knows.

The frame of reference I keep thinking of was when that Russian with the blog was the top prospect in the system really, and I wonder where he would slot in now.

I don't think people have been over the top, with the projections generally being "this guy looks like he's got a very good shot at being a third line guy." In that regard, I do wonder if one guy who is being written off in terms of top end potential is Puempel. Since 2009-10, he has scored at rate higher than a goal every other game. He also had two goals in three AHL playoffs games, which is one of those things that sounds cool but is meaningless really.

Does Puempel have any potential as a third line guy? I haven't seen enough of him to know, but my understanding of the guy is basically he's going to be a goal scorer in the NHL or he's not going to be anything. In that regard, how good does he need to be to solve a top line problem? Given that so many guys are 2nd/3rd line types who are able to be physical and not score much, isn't the only real option for Puempel to be a top line player?

I would guess that injuries are his biggest concern, not talent. His gaps in production this year corresponded with injuries, so ultimately I would guess he's more a boom or bust type. While I don't think his potential is an all around playmaking forward, seems like the guy is going to have to pretty much score 30+every year to keep a job - and that doesn't seem like an impossible task for him.

In other words, fanboy it up for Puempel.
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Post #40 by senate » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:55 pm

RTWAP wrote:Yes. Mostly small calibre though. Lots of 5.56s. Not many 7.62s and no 11.43s.


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Post #41 by sensdiehard » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:18 pm

Sdao wasnt really on my radar, he should be interesting to watch for.

I cant help but wonder how much goaltending had to do with how we perceive this years success. If we had a typical Sens goalie in net, and didnt troll out as many victories this year because of it, would our coaches look as good, or our prospects? It nags at me a bit still.
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Post #42 by RTWAP » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:00 am

mayoradamwest wrote:Does Puempel have any potential as a third line guy? I haven't seen enough of him to know, but my understanding of the guy is basically he's going to be a goal scorer in the NHL or he's not going to be anything. In that regard, how good does he need to be to solve a top line problem? Given that so many guys are 2nd/3rd line types who are able to be physical and not score much, isn't the only real option for Puempel to be a top line player?

I would guess that injuries are his biggest concern, not talent. His gaps in production this year corresponded with injuries, so ultimately I would guess he's more a boom or bust type. While I don't think his potential is an all around playmaking forward, seems like the guy is going to have to pretty much score 30+every year to keep a job - and that doesn't seem like an impossible task for him.

In other words, fanboy it up for Puempel.


I think Puempel has the potential to be a top line player. But it's a lot easier to project once he's had some significant success in the AHL.

While he may not have a skillset that's conducive to a career as a third liner, I don't think that means he won't play on the third line. Depending on his icetime and role in Bingo (I'm assuming he does at least a year there) he may not have learned all we want him to learn about play away from the puck and defending. Having him spend time on lower lines can be a way to teach those lessons.
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Post #43 by RTWAP » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:02 am

senate wrote:In the future, please only use metric sizes in your bullet metaphors, thank you.


Stick a 6" howitzer up yo ass.
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Post #44 by NyQuil » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:13 am

The issue is that the value for prospects has a limited shelf life.

Accumulating a quantity of talented young players is a positive development, but leveraging that value is difficult.

You can't play them all at the same time - young teams comprised exclusively of young players are notoriously bad at further developing those players and can lead to a losing culture.

But, quantity for quality trades are pretty hard to come by unless a team is in some kind of difficult financial position.

It's going to be interesting to see if Murray manages to unload some of our depth for a quality player or two or whether we'll have a bunch of guys hanging around, getting their opportunities here and there.
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Post #45 by discostu » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:05 pm

NyQuil wrote:The issue is that the value for prospects has a limited shelf life.

Accumulating a quantity of talented young players is a positive development, but leveraging that value is difficult.

You can't play them all at the same time - young teams comprised exclusively of young players are notoriously bad at further developing those players and can lead to a losing culture.

But, quantity for quality trades are pretty hard to come by unless a team is in some kind of difficult financial position.

It's going to be interesting to see if Murray manages to unload some of our depth for a quality player or two or whether we'll have a bunch of guys hanging around, getting their opportunities here and there.


This is my greatest concern, especially since making a quantity for quality trade without leverage can mean giving up two really good young asset for one slightly better asset.

The other alternative is flipping prospects for draft picks, but I imagine that's hard to pull off, unless a GM is really pessimistic about their scouting staff. It may make sense to a new incoming GM.

Too bad we didn't have a GM with a penchant for drafting Russians, who we can bring over once they're fully developed.
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Post #46 by RTWAP » Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:29 pm

NyQuil wrote:The issue is that the value for prospects has a limited shelf life.

Accumulating a quantity of talented young players is a positive development, but leveraging that value is difficult.


Do you think we'll maybe see prospects get packaged to move up in the draft? Like the 17th plus Conacher for the 10th or something (I have no idea how to calculate the value here).

That seems like one way to translate an overabundance of prospective 2nd liners into a better chance for an elite player.
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Post #47 by i.m. fletcher » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:42 pm

I also think spreading out our prospects will give them a slightly better chance of success.

I don't think we need to move up far, but getting in to domi/horvat territory would make some sense, with monahan being the dream slot.
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Post #48 by RTWAP » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:05 pm

i.m. fletcher wrote:I also think spreading out our prospects will give them a slightly better chance of success.

I don't think we need to move up far, but getting in to domi/horvat territory would make some sense, with monahan being the dream slot.


On the Leafs board they mentioned a report/rumour that Carolina would trade the 5th for a top 4 D-man. I would try to build a trade around Wiercioch. And then try really hard to sign Streit.
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Post #49 by i.m. fletcher » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:40 pm

RTWAP wrote:On the Leafs board they mentioned a report/rumour that Carolina would trade the 5th for a top 4 D-man. I would try to build a trade around Wiercioch. And then try really hard to sign Streit.


Is Rutherford still there? He is always an odd duck around draft time. I wasn't the least bit surprises they didn't hesitate to add their pick last year in the lesser staal trade.

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