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Post #3401 by Germz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:33 pm

Of course, the Phaneuf and Ryan situation is a real headache if we're scrounging for money to keep both Stone and Karlsson. If buyouts are forbidden, those contracts probably pose the greatest threat to our top two players. But we knew that already.
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Post #3402 by Ricard_Persson » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:06 pm

Really strong articles from Ken Warren and Don, yes Don Brennan today. Impressive for the spineless media. It looks like everyone is fed up.
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Post #3403 by FH2002 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:54 pm

Karlsson:

“I don’t really know what direction they’re going in because we haven’t really spoken about it, so I can’t really comment about it.”

Ottawa is shitting the bed on the ice, the team President resigned/got fired, the GM got a new 3 year deal, and the owner just announced they are heading in a new direction wrt to scouting and drafting. No one thought to talk to the franchise player about it?

“It starts at the top. You need to sort that bit out before you move anywhere else,” he said. “It’s just a normal way of doing things in any organization, whether it’s the sports business or regular business.”

http://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/senators-players-coach-seem-ready-for-whatever-the-future-may-hold

Garrioch presents it as though Karlsson is talking about Dorion, but Karlsson’s talking about Melnyk.
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Post #3405 by Germz » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:14 pm

I've always resisted the Ballard comparisons, but by golly, we are getting there.
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Post #3406 by RTWAP » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:55 pm

Lotsa good comments in this thread.

On the Karlsson situation, I do not envy Dorion's position. He may have a mandate and budget to try to re-sign him but how the heck do you put a value on "formerly top three player worldwide, currently about the 15th best D-man, prospects for recovery uncertain."

I'd be strongly tempted to try signing him for two years year at $13M per just to punt the decision to a future when there is (hopefully) more certainty.
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Post #3407 by MP » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:41 am

My vote is get Dahlin, then sign and trade Hot Karl.
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Post #3408 by Hossa » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:25 am

The Dahlin factor should not be dismissed either. We are well within striking range of that selection and Dahlin is the rare draft eligible who could make a difference immediately. It's one reason to wait until the summer for the bigger decisions. Tkachuk, Zadina and Svechnikov are less game-changers than Dahlin.

I still go back and forth between blowing it up or retooling around Karlsson, Chabot, Stone, Hoffman and Duchene. Part of me just doesn't trust Dorion/Melnyk/Boucher to lead a rebuild. I've long been a proponent of proper rebuilds from the ground up, and what Toronto's done is textbook in that regard, but our management group is not Toronto's. If we're going to blow it up and rebuild completely, I wouldn't want to do it on the cheap with a GM who is a bit simple and a conservative systems coach.
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Post #3409 by MP » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:41 am

I like Dorion on the draft front though Formenton and Batherson look to be real pieces to add to White and Chabot. We just need a different GM to handle trades...
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Post #3410 by MP » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:17 pm

Phaneuf scores!
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Post #3411 by RTWAP » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:20 am

Hossa wrote:The Dahlin factor should not be dismissed either. We are well within striking range of that selection and Dahlin is the rare draft eligible who could make a difference immediately. It's one reason to wait until the summer for the bigger decisions. Tkachuk, Zadina and Svechnikov are less game-changers than Dahlin.

I still go back and forth between blowing it up or retooling around Karlsson, Chabot, Stone, Hoffman and Duchene. Part of me just doesn't trust Dorion/Melnyk/Boucher to lead a rebuild. I've long been a proponent of proper rebuilds from the ground up, and what Toronto's done is textbook in that regard, but our management group is not Toronto's. If we're going to blow it up and rebuild completely, I wouldn't want to do it on the cheap with a GM who is a bit simple and a conservative systems coach.


Yah. *sigh* I go back and forth too.

Here are some ideas by friends have been banging around.
  1. Trade Hoffman for RNH.
  2. Trade Zack Smith (plus?) for a first to a marginal playoff team that struggles down the stretch.
  3. Trade Brassard for a first to a marginal playoff team that struggles down the stretch.
  4. Get lucky with one of those picks in the draft lottery and end up with 2 picks in the top 5.
  5. Pick one D and one F early in the first round.
  6. Re-sign Duchene 8/8/8/7/7/6/6/6 (36 years old at end of contract) - AAV 7M.
  7. Re-sign Karlsson 13/12/11/10/10/9/8/7 (37 years old at end of contract) - AAV 10M.
  8. Re-sign Stone 8 years $50M.
  9. Top 6 wingers at start of season are Stone, Ryan, Gaborik, Dzingel. But Dzingel being challenged by any of White, Brown, Batherson, Formenton, and 2018 top forward pick.
  10. Trade Englund and a 6th for one year of Methot (he was traded for a 2nd and 7th). This assumes he isn't permanently broken.
  11. In summer 2019, get a defensive D veteran, but not too old, D-man (McDonagh in the 2019-20 roster below).

Rosters for the next two years:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/591341
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/591365

Assuming MacArthur's salary is paid by insurance, the team cap hit is $11M under the cap next season, and $7.7M under the next season. Both seasons calculated with 23-man rosters.

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Post #3412 by MP » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:40 am

Karlsson is getting no less than McDavid money ($12.5M for 8). Thus if we get Dahlin, we trade Karl on July 1st after allowing the other GM's to pre-negotiate that extension.

If we don't get Dahlin, we need to try and bridge Karlsson on a 2 to 3 year deal at $13-14M and then if he not broken you sign him to that deal you mentioned above.
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Post #3413 by ColinM » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:50 am

Rumour has it Melynk is destined to be the Sens CEO. Clearly what we need is more of Melnyk’s finger prints on the organization.
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Post #3414 by senate » Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:20 pm

Ricard_Persson wrote:Strange with Anselmi walking out. Obviously because of Melnyk but with the Ottawa media, we’ll never know as they’re afraid to get their press pass slapped by gene. Maybe I’ll sign up to the athletic so that I can pay for some guy who isn’t a writer to punch out a piece in his rec room after he gets home from his 9 to 5 job..


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