Summer Recess 2: The Search for Curly's Gold

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Re: Summer Recess 2: The Search for Curly's Gold

Post #151 by MP » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:45 am

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Germz wrote:At least Hoffman was 28 and not 24. He'll still be dangerous in Florida for awhile yet but I think he gave us his best years. Watch me eat my words on this one.


It will be interesting to see how he's deployed. Despite his great shot and being called a 30 goal scorer, Hoffman never actually hit that mark, in part because his usage in Ottawa was uneven. Playing regular minutes with a skilled distributor like Barkov or Huberdeau could push his goal totals higher.

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sensdiehard wrote:Thought we would get a 1st for Hoff, but I also thought we would get one for Spezza. Trading big contracts in a cap era doesnt always return the same value as we would expect for just a hockey trade i guess. 2 GM's couldnt get a 1st for Hoff. Hard to understand how every GM in the league knew Hoff was available, he was in the TSN top 10 trade list, and yet not one of the 30 GM's wanted him enough to top an offer of Boedker? I guess SJ can use the cap space they freed whereas we werent likely to. Had we got a 2nd and a 4th, i cant imagine anyone would be praising Dorion for that one either.


Exactly. In a nutshell the choice was between a 28 year 3rd liner or the 55th (or so) overall pick in the draft. It's unlikely either will be impact players. A 21 year prospect for Hoffman (even if it was someone like Lazar back when he was traded to Calgary) would have been nice but it's clear that's not where the market was at.


The full package was a 2nd, 4th and 5th. I don't understand this minimizing of the value of draft picks - last year year our second and fourth round picks were Formenton and Batherson, the year before Dahlen and Burgess. I wouldn't deal either of those pairs for Boedker, not even close. Drafting is the only thing this team does well, and if we wanted to spend 4M on a shitty third liner, we could have done that on July 1st.

Not to mention that trading a 2nd is infinitely easier than trading a shitty 3rd liner.
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Post #152 by Hossa » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:29 am

MP wrote:Not to mention that trading a 2nd is infinitely easier than trading a shitty 3rd liner.


No doubt, hence waiving Alex Burrows last year.

While amateur scouting seems to remain our one strength, I worry about the organization's pro scouting. Burrows is one example. Our consistently poor farm team is another.
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Post #153 by sensdiehard » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:52 am

For sure I don’t want to minimize draft picks as, especially in a cap era, they are so key and scarcer to come by. But failing to get a 1st for Hoff would not have gotten Dorion many hugs or high fives either.

In a full on all-in rebuild, I would think even the lacklustre draft picks SJ got would be the better option for us. But im getting the impression that an all-in rebuild isn’t the plan yet. And I think its pretty close to a 50/50 case right now I would be able to make for a full rebuild vs. hey, things aren’t that bad, if we keep EK, keep plodding through the hard years of developing, this team can be competitive enough to keep on course rather than an 18% chances at a #1 pick. That chance may well be easier to get when not even trying for it.


Its hard not to be suspicious that this year was long marked on Melnyks calendar as a peak year in the payroll\development cycle. All contracts structured and trades made seem to point to going for it until now when a long term decision on Karlsson’s contract was due. Mika, Brassard, even things like Burrows fit better when thought about in that context. Due at a time when we are about 5 years from wanting to peak again as season ticket sales for a new downtown arena are underway. 5 years of Melnyk now minimizing expenses in the trough of the cycle as he waits out buyers for a best offer which could take years. That is if we don’t take him at his word that he aint selling and people like Ballard, Wong, and Wirtz weren’t phased with fan rebellions against them either. 
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Re: Summer Recess 2: The Search for Curly's Gold

Post #154 by Sudden_Death » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:55 pm

So, Hoffman's "punishment" is to play on a promising young team, in beautiful weather and with no state income tax so he is taking home a ton more money. They sure showed him!
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Post #155 by The Bytown Boozer » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:40 am

Feels like we're not even 2/3rds of the way to the bottom at this point. Still lots of talent left to sell off. This is an actual good team that they've spent the better part of the year dismantling.
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Post #156 by MP » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:41 am

Last day of being Tkachuk free...
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Post #157 by Hossa » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:42 am

MP wrote:Last day of being Tkachuk free...


I think it will be Zadina actually.
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Post #158 by senate » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:59 am

I think this is the first time the Senators have been linked with Kotkaniemi. He was never mentioned during the combine or the subsequent visits to Ottawa afterwards.



And yes, it is probably just a mind game against the Habs in case they are thinking about trading down. Although doing something like that seems a little too high brow for Dorion.
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Post #159 by MP » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:34 pm

I don't hate the idea of Kockinniemi as much as I do the idea of Tkachuk.
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Post #160 by senate » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:34 pm

Rather than go get guys with good "character", Dorion could just make sure there are no more giant assholes on the roster.

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Post #161 by Ricard_Persson » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:00 pm

senate wrote:I think this is the first time the Senators have been linked with Kotkaniemi. He was never mentioned during the combine or the subsequent visits to Ottawa afterwards.



And yes, it is probably just a mind game against the Habs in case they are thinking about trading down. Although doing something like that seems a little too high brow for Dorion.



Seems strange to fire it out on [public] Twitter unless you have no plans to draft him and scare someone [MTL] into thinking you will in order to get who you want [Zadina]


That's at least what I'd do. Sorry for all of the [brackets]
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Post #162 by senate » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:40 pm

Next season is looking great!

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Post #164 by senate » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:23 am

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Post #165 by senate » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:15 pm

senate wrote:Friedman says that Dorion is also trying to trade Anderson.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/10-thoughts-bergevin-looking-add-centre-defenceman-canadiens/


Anderson wants out.

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Post #166 by The Bytown Boozer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:55 pm

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senate wrote:Friedman says that Dorion is also trying to trade Anderson.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/10-thoughts-bergevin-looking-add-centre-defenceman-canadiens/


Anderson wants out.



If only Melnyk did as well.
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Post #167 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:00 pm

The Bytown Boozer wrote:
senate wrote:
senate wrote:Friedman says that Dorion is also trying to trade Anderson.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/10-thoughts-bergevin-looking-add-centre-defenceman-canadiens/


Anderson wants out.



If only Melnyk did as well.


I think he does, but he's holding on for his share if tge Seattke expansion, and to hold leverage on the proposed Lebreton flats arena...
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Post #168 by mayoradamwest » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:17 pm

Anderson going would be a blessing, unless the every other year thing holds out in which case 1 more year. I can't imagine anyone would want him though...
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Post #170 by The Bytown Boozer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:03 pm

Hey looks like we get that Zadina kid.
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Post #171 by The Bytown Boozer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:08 pm

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Post #172 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:09 pm

Fuck me.
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Post #173 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:09 pm

We drafted an unlikeable Mike Fisher.
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Post #174 by senate » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:09 pm

More gasoline for the tire fire it is.
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Post #175 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:10 pm

Such a terrible pick.
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Post #176 by senate » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:11 pm

It was kind of inevitable with all that fucking talk about "character" in the last few weeks.
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Post #177 by senate » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:15 pm

MP wrote:Such a terrible pick.


Ottawa needed someone to fill the hole Curtis Lazar left in the lineup.
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Post #178 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:19 pm

We trade one asshole for Boedker, then pick up another. Fuck this team.
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Post #179 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:20 pm

Maybe Zadina wilk slip to 22...
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Post #180 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:21 pm

Nope.
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Post #181 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:31 pm

Did I mention I hate this pick?
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Post #182 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:46 pm

Drinking heavily.
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Post #183 by senate » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:47 pm

MP wrote:Drinking heavily.


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Post #184 by Ismellofhockey » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:49 pm

The only silver lining here is that in MacKenzie's scout survey, all but one had Tkachuk in the top 5. So it's not just us.
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Post #185 by The Bytown Boozer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:52 pm

8 goals though... that's very worrying.
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Post #186 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:59 pm

senate wrote:
MP wrote:Drinking heavily.


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Fuck you Senate.
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Post #187 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:00 pm

Ismellofhockey wrote:The only silver lining here is that in MacKenzie's scout survey, all but one had Tkachuk in the top 5. So it's not just us.

Its not them it's us. Fuck.
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Post #188 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:01 pm

The Bytown Boozer wrote:8 goals though... that's very worrying.

Truclence is more important than anything else.
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Post #189 by Ismellofhockey » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:08 pm

The Bytown Boozer wrote:8 goals though... that's very worrying.


I do not like the pick.
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Post #190 by The Bytown Boozer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:08 pm

MP wrote:
The Bytown Boozer wrote:8 goals though... that's very worrying.

Truclence is more important than anything else.

This is what happens when your scouting staff is made up of Shean Donovan & Jarkko Ruutu's brother.
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Post #191 by mayoradamwest » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:23 pm

The Ottawa sun will be happy
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Post #192 by Craig » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:25 pm

The Bytown Boozer wrote:
MP wrote:
The Bytown Boozer wrote:8 goals though... that's very worrying.

Truclence is more important than anything else.

This is what happens when your scouting staff is made up of Shean Donovan & Jarkko Ruutu's brother.


I honestly can't tell if this is a joke.
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Post #193 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:27 pm

Craig wrote:
The Bytown Boozer wrote:
MP wrote:Truclence is more important than anything else.

This is what happens when your scouting staff is made up of Shean Donovan & Jarkko Ruutu's brother.


I honestly can't tell if this is a joke.

Fuck off greg. Let us have out ketchup in peace.
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Post #194 by Ismellofhockey » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:32 pm

Craig wrote:
The Bytown Boozer wrote:
MP wrote:Truclence is more important than anything else.

This is what happens when your scouting staff is made up of Shean Donovan & Jarkko Ruutu's brother.


I honestly can't tell if this is a joke.


Something's a joke, that much is certain.
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Post #195 by Ismellofhockey » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:36 pm

Liam Foudy?

Jay O'Brien?

Sens's pick coming up, how will they disappoint us this time?
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Post #196 by The Bytown Boozer » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:43 pm

Ismellofhockey wrote:Liam Foudy?

Jay O'Brien?

Sens's pick coming up, how will they disappoint us this time?

They'll trade their pick for the rights to Nikita Filatov.
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Post #197 by Ismellofhockey » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:52 pm

They're gonna take the 6'5'' guy. I hope they trade down.
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Post #198 by MP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:56 pm

Dorion wins a trade! Holy shit!
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Post #199 by mayoradamwest » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:57 pm

Seems brown and white are friends tkachuk
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Post #200 by Ismellofhockey » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:59 pm

Holy fuck, maybe I won't have to ditch hockey and try to find myself in smokey jazz bars like I thought I would.
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