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Post #401 by senate » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:36 pm

Maybe we can lure Brodeur out of retirement.



I mean Mike, not Martin.
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Post #402 by King Clancy » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:47 pm

Dot wrote:Hopefully by some miracle - Hammond or Driedger turn out to be serviceable - so we lose but we don't lose badly.


why not trade for Bryzgalov? He'd come for free (basically), would make it close enough to not be embarrassed while still supporting the tank, and he'd be hilarious.
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Post #403 by MP » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:50 pm

King Clancy wrote:why not trade for Bryzgalov? He'd come for free (basically), would make it close enough to not be embarrassed while still supporting the tank, and he'd be hilarious.


Sometimes it's good to give these nobodies a taste, to see what you got and make them work harder.
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Post #404 by King Clancy » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:04 pm

We know what we have with Hammond. He's a major reason Bingo is dead fucking last in their division. Working harder isn't going to allow him to overcome what he lacks.
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Post #405 by Ricard_Persson » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:43 pm

If I go down, I go down hard.


Keep these 2 for the year. Get 2 saddles out of storage.
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Post #406 by RTWAP » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:08 pm

zamboner wrote:At this point, you take Hammond and ride him with just reckless, reckless abandon, like a recently-come-of-age stallion.

And once you've unapologetically ridden him right into the dirt, you take that saddle, you dust it off, and you strap it in on Driedger because he's just asking for it.


I still have hope for Driedger so I hope he doesn't play. Just get a sniff of the lifestyle and top level coaching. Enough so he can say "This is what I'm aiming for" during those long dreary ECHL days.
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Post #407 by i.m. fletcher » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:44 am

The next two weeks will be great performance art.

I haven't been this excited for Wednesday night game in a long time.
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Post #408 by MP » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:06 pm

Where is Marcus hogberg in terms of development? How come he isn't across the pond yet?
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Post #409 by TGR » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:33 pm

Time to send Pageau down again.
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Post #410 by Germz » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:47 am

Thank God for Melnyk's penny-pinching, I guess.
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Post #411 by Fruity Pebbles » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:47 am

I don't see anything redeeming in Clarkson's game.

I have no idea why so many old school hockey executives seemed to love him and why some still seem to. I guess Clarkson did kind of show up against us.
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Post #412 by BlackRedGold » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:00 pm

Columbus could still trade Clarkson and even if they retained 50% of his salary they're still saving significant money over what they'd have had to pay Horton.
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Post #413 by Fruity Pebbles » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:27 pm

BlackRedGold wrote:Columbus could still trade Clarkson and even if they retained 50% of his salary they're still saving significant money over what they'd have had to pay Horton.


It's a plot by LeBrun and Columbus to derail our future and playoff hopes.
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Post #414 by RTWAP » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:28 am

Things that leave me all warm and tingly on the inside.

Jason Spezza : 59 points, plus/minus -6, making $7.5M per year over the next four years
Kyle Turris : 57 points, plus/minus -1, making $3.5M per year over the next three years
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Post #415 by Redden Punches Faces » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:51 am

one wonders if management is suitably impressed by the teams ability to win a ridiculous proportion of games whilst 'chris-free'.

Let's hope so, folks.
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Post #416 by King Clancy » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:41 am

Look up our record with Chris Driedger on the bench...
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Post #417 by RTWAP » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:16 am

King Clancy wrote:Look up our record with Chris Driedger on the bench...


So it's good to have Chrises around the team, but not actually, yoiu know, on the ice.

Good to know.
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Post #418 by FH2002 » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:20 am

If only they could bench Chris Gryba.
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Post #419 by RTWAP » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:03 pm

Redid some numbers and put some thought into what the last few months could tell us about the roster next year.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11pgg8cna71Y68JjQwf70kgeLDbpWa41DvLmNHjKfkY0/edit#gid=0

[GS]11pgg8cna71Y68JjQwf70kgeLDbpWa41DvLmNHjKfkY0[/GS]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11pgg8cna71Y68JjQwf70kgeLDbpWa41DvLmNHjKfkY0&authuser=0
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Post #420 by RTWAP » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:58 pm

Just to explain my thinking a bit, the forwards seem pretty obvious. Goaltending is bewildering so I just chose a combo.

But D is where the team needs to augment. Adding someone reasonably skilled like Michalek would help stabilize the younger guys and provide a bit more depth on the PP and PK.

Even-strength:
[INDENT]Methot-Karlsson
Wiercioch-Michalek
Borowiecki-Ceci

Each pair has at least one guy who can safely get the puck out of the zone or feed the forwards on the fly. And each pair has at least one guy who can clear the front of the net.[/INDENT]

Powerplay:
[INDENT]Wiercioch-Karlsson
Ceci-Michalek

Or optionally move Michalek over to the other side and put him on the #1 unit with EK. That way Karlsson can feed MIchalek for one timers (I have no idea if he has a slapshot at all).[/INDENT]

PK:
[INDENT]Methot-Michalek
Borowiecki-Ceci[/INDENT]
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Post #421 by Redden Punches Faces » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:29 am

says I: as long as boro is pencilled in, it's dire times for our plucky sens. :(
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Post #422 by Ricard_Persson » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:41 am

I was just thinking.


How good would the team be if they had another player similar to Methot and one slightly better than Ceci on the back end?

Even just one of the two.


Anyway, here's to making sure neither #5 or #6 D are back next year. :grabo:
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Post #423 by Redden Punches Faces » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:29 am

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Post #424 by zamboner » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:53 am

Borocop at Threat Level 4.
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Post #425 by RTWAP » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:48 pm

Ricard_Persson wrote:How good would the team be if they had another player similar to Methot and one slightly better than Ceci on the back end?

Even just one of the two.

Anyway, here's to making sure neither #5 or #6 D are back next year. :grabo:


I'd love that, and if the team wanted to spend the Phillips-Legwand money on something useful starting in 2016-17 then getting another upgrade on D would be nice. If Boro and Gryba were 7/8 guys then that's OK.

The one downside to filling that last hole with a proven guy is he'd probably need at least a medium length contract. That leaves no spots opening up anytime soon for younger guys. Claesson seems to have had a down year so he's not exactly knocking on the door, but I could picture one of Wideman, Wikstrand, Englund, Claesson, or Harpur earning a spot in a couple or three years.

Maybe you just rely on injuries to give them some time on the big club at that point. To do that you might want to go down to just one depth D. I'd pick Boro. But he's an LD right now. If they get a chance to slide him back to Bingo for a while then maybe they should have him play RD exclusively to get him up to speed on how to play the other side.

If Boro's a utility defender (both sides) then he's got more value and is more useful for the big club. That way if there are injuries and openings at both LD and RD then they can pick the best young guy ... and Boro ... regardless of which side the young guy plays.

I wish more guys played both sides. A few injuries to one side and suddenly you're playing your 10th best D man ... or worse. Just having one LD and one RD that can play the other side well would make a difference. Are there any teams that emphasize that a bit more than others?
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Post #426 by zamboner » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:52 pm

There are worse places to have depth than the defensive corps...anything to help Gryboro grab that coveted 11/12 spot.
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Post #427 by RTWAP » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:20 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:Sekera and Petry might be the most cost-effective solutions.


I think Petry plays the wrong side, but I could be wrong. I'm assuming the Sens need someone who plays RD.

Thomas Malthus wrote:Because playing your off side is difficult it seems to me that most players that can do it are already good defenders, there don't seem to be too many (from what I know) around that are bottom pairing gents.


The good thing about Boro is he's got a contract for 3 more years. I imagine most marginal D-men don't want to try because looking bad could have a negative impact on their career pretty quickly. Boro wouldn't necessarily have that fear, plus the contracts of the other two 'depth guys' in Phillips and Gryba are up at the end of next season so he's got more security than they do already.
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Post #428 by Redden Punches Faces » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:47 pm

first time I've ever seen the ridiculous term boro was gifted referred to in the positive.

Wily old coot, you are.
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Post #429 by Hossa » Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:25 pm

RTWAP wrote:I think Petry plays the wrong side, but I could be wrong. I'm assuming the Sens need someone who plays RD.



Petry's a right shot, and mostly played the right side in Edmonton, particularly when he and Smid were partners. Not sure where he's been playing in Montreal - when I saw him last, he and Gilbert were playing together and Gilbert was on the left side.

I suggested Sekera and Petry would be a great couple of additions a while back, and still feel the same way. Sekera could be a great partner for Ceci, allowing Ceci to develop his all-round game with less responsibility, while Petry brings mobility, size and some offence, possibly complimenting Wiercioch well. That would leave Borocop and Gryba as 7/8, and Cowen for the glue factory.
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Post #430 by zamboner » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:54 am

Do we think Melnyk will pony up 5 million for a UFA defenseman knowing his upcoming RFAs are going to be asking to get paid?
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Post #431 by RTWAP » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:54 am

zamboner wrote:Do we think Melnyk will pony up 5 million for a UFA defenseman knowing his upcoming RFAs are going to be asking to get paid?


Maybe not.

To have a chance they would first need to trade away some other salary. My suggestion was Neil, Cowen, and Anderson or Lehner. Lehner wouldn't save much because I assume Hammond would make something similar. But if they traded Anderson and the other two that would free up the following:
Neil - $1.5 million for next year
Cowen - average of $4.1 million for the next two years
Anderson - $4.75 million for the next two years, followed by $3.1 million.

That goes a long way to clearing the salary space needed. And after next year they remove the $3.5M and $2.5M they are paying Phillips and Legwand.
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Post #432 by RTWAP » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:55 am

Hossa wrote:Petry's a right shot, and mostly played the right side in Edmonton, particularly when he and Smid were partners. Not sure where he's been playing in Montreal - when I saw him last, he and Gilbert were playing together and Gilbert was on the left side.

I suggested Sekera and Petry would be a great couple of additions a while back, and still feel the same way. Sekera could be a great partner for Ceci, allowing Ceci to develop his all-round game with less responsibility, while Petry brings mobility, size and some offence, possibly complimenting Wiercioch well. That would leave Borocop and Gryba as 7/8, and Cowen for the glue factory.


I like the cut of your jib.
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Post #433 by RTWAP » Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:24 am

zamboner wrote:Do we think Melnyk will pony up 5 million for a UFA defenseman knowing his upcoming RFAs are going to be asking to get paid?


A bit of a playoff run would probably help with that.
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Post #434 by Hossa » Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:03 am

RTWAP wrote:A bit of a playoff run would probably help with that.


I was thinking the same. A decent playoff run, combined with dumping a guy like Cowen (and any of the dead weight forwards), could make an addition or two possible. That assumes that Melnky's rhetoric about there being budget space to go above the floor is not completely bullshit though, even if we will always be in that neighbourhood.

Sekera is going to cash in though, so he's probably a pipe dream, although he hasn't put up big numbers this year. Petry could be looking for a short-term deal to try and raise his long-term value on a team that isn't Edmonton.
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Post #435 by MP » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:06 am

zamboner wrote:Do we think Melnyk will pony up 5 million for a UFA defenseman knowing his upcoming RFAs are going to be asking to get paid?


:dunno: that's what he said he'd do once we got back to being competitive... :dunno:
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Post #436 by Ricard_Persson » Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:16 am

I actually think Melnyk may have had a plan all along. I hate to admit it. He's been quiet on this run, one of the greatest of all-time. Has he gotten safer? Smarter?

Projecting should come easy to him, and I guess you can say it was easy to look at the team a year or two ago and say they weren't ready yet so why fill the roster with money. The core was young and will be ready soon, and will need to get paid soon, would have been the thinking a year ago.

Maybe he had it all planned? I think he'll pay up, and I think they'll fill holes as well as renew current players. He's sitting on a goldmine here. A young, hard working team that fans can easily attach too. A team that never seems to run out of hard work based miracle comebacks. A team without a lazy whipping boy that divides fans (Spezza). It's about as bright as it gets, and the thing is most players on the team have a level or two that they'll grow to.

He's got a pretty good brand. And he hasn't told us about it repeatedly, which is the best part.
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Post #437 by zamboner » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:16 pm

What about Brian Campbell at 3.6 million?
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Post #438 by Germz » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:33 pm

Always been a Campbell fan. 67s nostalgia if nothing else.
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Post #439 by mayoradamwest » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:29 pm

Murray wanted him during his last ufa period also
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Post #440 by King Clancy » Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:13 pm

Campbell would definitely help our dreadful powerplay. It's too easy for teams to overload on Karlsson as our only legit threat.
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Post #441 by sensdiehard » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:07 pm

Ricard_Persson wrote:I actually think Melnyk may have had a plan all along. I hate to admit it. He's been quiet on this run, one of the greatest of all-time. Has he gotten safer? Smarter?



He has been somewhat uncharacteristically quiet this year hasnt he? I hadn't really thought about it until you said it., Maybe he did get chastised a little from the disastrous business effects of his recent off the cuff remarks that no doubt sounded good at the time.

It's a movie we've seen a few times though: new owner rides into town, splashes money, trys to spend to win, then is forced to try and develop cheaply while fans wonder, is it smart strategy or cheaping out after the money splashing failed. Maybe a bit of both. But it seems fans for years were calling for tanking and rebuilding properly, so it may not even really be accurate to think it was just Melnyks plan. Like leaf fans wanted, like many sens fans have wanted, developing and spending are sometimes mutually exclusive ideas as counter intuitive as it sometimes is.

I imagine there also comes a point for Melnyk, where to borrow his old catch phrase, he can see the team going past the 2nd round and generating over $10 mil in revenue and $5 mil in new season ticket sales, and to forgo on that revenue by not spending may not be a wise business decision. At least you'd hope incentives would work out that way.
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Post #442 by Hossa » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:03 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:Franson's Houdini act in Nashville might lower his price. He's physical, great on the PP and makes clean outlet passes. The downside is that he's slow as fuck and has brain cramps. He plays on the PK is is okay there. He gets into trouble when he's not moving the puck as soon as it's on his stick. If he doesn't have a target in mind when he gets the puck then he has a tough time escaping forecheckers and can cough up the puck (though Toronto had awful puck support and he'd have to constantly look for breakaway passes).

Just an option for you guys, though he'll likely get somewhere around $4-5M as well.


I don't think Franson is an option because there are too many similarities between him and Wiercioch, and you couldn't possibly pair them together. That's why Petry is a more enticing option as a RHD for the third pairing, his mobility would be big alongside one of Wiercioch, Cowen or Borowiecki.

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