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Post #451 by Hossa » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:10 pm

Ricard_Persson wrote:I actually think Melnyk may have had a plan all along. I hate to admit it. He's been quiet on this run, one of the greatest of all-time. Has he gotten safer? Smarter? .


Equally possible is that with Melnyk's financial situation a bit precarious, Bettman had the leverage to tell Gene to step back a bit.
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Post #452 by RTWAP » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:42 pm

Did the league's loan ever get straightened out with Revenue Canada. If Eugene could roll over his 10-15% loan into a 3-6% loan then that could add $10M a year to his bottom line.

That plus another $30M a year in TV revenue should turn things around right quick.
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Post #453 by Ricard_Persson » Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:42 am

Gene is opening up the rink for tomorrow's game. Free entry, free parking, deals on food and merchandise. Smart move to capitalize on this run. If the Sens win they could sell the building out in a short while if they release tickets info on the jumbo right after the game, alone.

I've noticed the season ticket ads are on during games now, more so lately on this great run. They've must have sold a few. Sens win tomorrow I could see some drunk with euphoria dials for season seats. Too bad it's not a Saturday night game with more drinking to help move the sales.

Big game. Good things have happened in Philly before. The rink has been kind in the past.
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Post #454 by NyQuil » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:22 pm

I'm almost ready to give up on Lehner.
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Post #455 by BlackRedGold » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:27 pm

NyQuil wrote:I'm almost ready to give up on Lehner.


I'd rather see Anderson go because he's far more brittle, Lehner's concussion notwithstanding, and he alternates good years with bad. Plus, we could probably get more for Anderson than Lehner at this point in time. And Lehner is cheaper. All three of our goalies will be equally huge question marks next season so you might as well go with the cheapest and youngest combination of the three. It reminds me of when Montreal chose Price over Halak even though Halak had an insane playoff run.
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Post #456 by Ricard_Persson » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:52 pm

Lehner sucks boys. He's as good now as he was at 19. That's called a flat line.

Until he's show something for more than a half season (which he's never done even in the AHL chapionship), I don't trust him.

A Hammond Lehner tandem could go real bad, real quick.

It's a tough call. Craig Anderson may be the best goalie the franchise has ever had in money games. He's been great in all playoff games he's played. So few weak/killer goals. He's clutch, but yes he's older. Tough decision coming up for the team.

I think the Oilers would waaay overpay for Lehner.
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Post #457 by Germz » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:04 pm

I'm withholding judgment on Senators goaltending controversy #6637 until after the playoffs.
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Post #458 by BlackRedGold » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:08 pm

Ricard_Persson wrote:It's a tough call. Craig Anderson may be the best goalie the franchise has ever had in money games. He's been great in all playoff games he's played. So few weak/killer goals. He's clutch, but yes he's older. Tough decision coming up for the team.


He's played three series for the Sens. He was great against Montreal and the Rangers but he bombed against the Pens. That's 2 for 3 with the 2 being first round series.
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Post #459 by MP » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:40 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:Keeping Anderson could be the difference between adding a top four D or a Gryba replacement. I don't think Anderson's goaltending is irreplaceable (I don't like Lehner and wouldn't bank on Hammond either) but goalies always available for cheap, so you could pick one up this summer easily.


As long as we find a way to defend against the wrap around, Anderson is the better goaler. Otherwise, if Anderson could land us a valuable piece, I say roll the dice. I think it's been proven a strong defensive game can make a bad AHL goalie look like a superstar...
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Post #460 by Redden Punches Faces » Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:54 pm

Anderson sucked at 19' and 23 years of age, boys
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Post #461 by discostu » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:16 pm

I'm less worried about trading Lehner than I've ever been. One, I have less and less confidence that he'll reach his potential. Second, his personality seems like it doesn't quite fit with the team. You don't want to place too much importance to that, but, I think this team really rallied around Hammond, and that's hard to dismiss. Third, I think we've seen with Bishop, that we can lose a starting goalie and not obsess about it. It was worse last year, but Anderson is giving us what we need (TWSS), and it no longer feels that we're goalie cursed.

Another factor to consider is the possible expansion that seems closer to happening, it usually doesn't help goalie trade values as an expansion draft approaches. If Lehner improves at all, he's precisely the type of target for an expansion franchise, and protecting multiple goalies usually comes at a hefty price in terms of protecting skaters. It's a minor consideration, but, one to think about.

But, the simple way is to say that our two best goalies this year have been Hammond and Anderson. We should go with that for next year.
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Post #462 by Ricard_Persson » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:55 pm

I think Lehner still has better trade value to land a top player back than Anderson. Someone is going to pay up for that questionable potential.

I also think it's very hard to just pick a goalie up in the summer. There's so many teams that need a good goalie. Look at the Leafs for example. They don't have one that is a real deal starter. They're going to have a lot of trouble finding a great one. It could take years of a revolving door of duct tape patch jobs, which is exactly what they've been doing for five years.

Anderson has three good years left if they think Lehner is the one to go.
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Post #463 by NyQuil » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:06 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote: I don't think Anderson's goaltending is irreplaceable (I don't like Lehner and wouldn't bank on Hammond either) but goalies always available for cheap, so you could pick one up this summer easily.


This is why you can never be a Sens fan.

Goalie is not a position you can do on the cheap.*

It's not like Anderson is breaking the bank.




























*except in our case this year
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Post #464 by MP » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:52 pm

If we trade Anderson what will we have to pay Hammond?
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Post #465 by NyQuil » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:18 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:I disagree. Other than looking at a Lundqvist type guy, I don't see any reason to spend big on a goaltender.


We had Gerber who would stone the Senators routinely but couldn't return the favor.

We had Leclaire who was good in one playoff series when he wasn't involved in freak accidents.

We had Lalime who couldn't win a Game 7 behind a stacked team.

We had Barrasso who didn't care.

We had Hasek whose groin exploded.

We had Elliott whose only weakness was a shot on net.

We had Emery who had all the style in the world except at playing goalie.

If you get someone who is mildly competent you hold on to him with all the strength in your shaking hands.
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Post #466 by King Clancy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:30 pm

You have to look at it through our eyes, Malthus. The scars run deep. We never got a rejuvenated Belfour or a prime CuJo for free. Closest we got was half of Hasek's groin.

To put it in familiar terms for you, we had to watch as amazing teams got wasted behind a Toskala or a Raycroft.
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Post #467 by senate » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:47 pm

Are goalies to hockey analytics what closers are to sabermetrics?
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Post #468 by King Clancy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:48 pm

CuJo was Canada's starting Olympics goalie while a member of the Leafs. He was great. His teams were flawed.
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Post #469 by BlackRedGold » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:58 pm

senate wrote:Are goalies to hockey analytics what closers are to sabermetrics?


You can't compare apples and oranges nor can you compare horseshit stats to useful ones.
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Post #470 by NyQuil » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:10 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:CuJo's prime wasn't with us, but you're right. I loved watching Belfour and CuJo as a kid (I had a huge CuJo powerade poster in my room).


I loved watching them while I was at university.

And by that I mean I hated watching them because I lived with 5 Leafs fans.
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Post #471 by MP » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:36 pm

NyQuil wrote:I loved watching them while I was at university.

And by that I mean I hated watching them because I lived with 5 Leafs fans.


I was a new Jersey fan at that time so I was happy...
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Post #472 by NyQuil » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:40 pm

MP wrote:I was a new Jersey fan at that time so I was happy...


I was a Rangers fan when I started university.

I left as an embittered Sens fan.
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Post #473 by Redden Punches Faces » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:36 am

BlackRedGold wrote:You can't compare apples and oranges nor can you compare horseshit stats to useful ones.


How's that rubella coming along? Almost typhoid season!
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Post #474 by Generic Username » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:57 am

Keep Lehner, trade Anderson, keep the rollercoaster of emotions going for the next couple of seasons. Sure, Lehner's flatlined the last few seasons struggling in a backup role, but how many 19 year old kids backstop the kind of calder cup run they had in Bingo? I'd rather gamble on that coming back out in the next couple of years and get something of value for Anderson than have another Bishop for Conacher scenario.
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Post #475 by ColinM » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:56 am

MP wrote:If we trade Anderson what will we have to pay Hammond?


That's a tough one. I really can't think of many other goaltenders that were UFAs, and were career minor leaguers until 2 months left in the season when the caught fire. The closest comparable I could find was Tim Thomas from 10 years ago: http://bruins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=447142 who got a 3 contract but I can't figure out how much he actually made on that contract.
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Post #476 by MP » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:23 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:It looks like the tail end of that contract is shown here: http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/player_stats/302-thomas-tim

It appears to have been for $1.1M, which was 2.5% of the salary cap in the first year it was signed. The equivalent value from this season would have been $1.725M.


If I were Hammond, I'd be looking for a one way, first, and hopefully with some term.

The Sens probably want to stay away from term, but will likely acquiesce the one-way.

Will be an interesting negotiation.
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Post #477 by i.m. fletcher » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:28 pm

I think Hammond should be a pretty easy signing. 2yr 3mil total would be pretty easy for both sides to swallow.
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Post #478 by RTWAP » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:24 pm

i.m. fletcher wrote:I think Hammond should be a pretty easy signing. 2yr 3mil total would be pretty easy for both sides to swallow.


Assuming he doesn't completely crap the bed in the playoffs I think he gets closer to $4M over 2 years, or $5.4M over 3 years.
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Re: Ottawa Senators Cap&Roster Discussion

Post #479 by MP » Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:58 am

If we do anything tomorrow, I'd like us to sign Paul Martin. We still need a proven nhl 3-4 guy to play with Ceci or Cowen.

He'll probably cost too much with Philips sitting in the press box, but that's the type of signing that'll take us to the next level.
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Post #480 by NyQuil » Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:20 am

Plus, imagine all the political jokes we could make here in the Nation's Capital.

That's like a win-win.
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Post #481 by Ismellofhockey » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:10 am

When can we expect the new look of the board to be finalized, so that we can start complaining about it?
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Post #482 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:37 am

Ismellofhockey wrote:When can we expect the new look of the board to be finalized, so that we can start complaining about it?


Mumu's already complaining so there's no point in holding back.
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Post #483 by Fruity Pebbles » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:05 pm

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Post #484 by MP » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:18 pm

So ummm, Stortini and O'Dell? Bingo filler?
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Post #485 by ben. » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:35 pm

Add Kostka to Bingo signings.

Interesting that we haven't heard anything regarding Stewart. Lebrun and MacKenzie both said Ottawa might be involved in trying to sign him and that they were still quite high on him. Will be interesting to see. Ehrhoff and Franson still available too
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Post #486 by Redden Punches Faces » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:55 pm

the sooner Murray dies the better, boys. Sad but true.
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Post #487 by mayoradamwest » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:30 pm

I don't understand why the fandom seems so angry.
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Post #488 by mayoradamwest » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:38 pm

Erik condra was a good third line player, but to Ottawa he maybe at best would mean what, one or two more winds over the bourse of the year? He just seems so dime a dozen, I can't fathom not wanting to be better. On an excellent team, he's a fourth liner, no? If Ottawa is that good and the fourth line is their toronto blue jays pitching staff, I'm sure they'll be able to find a rental guy if it's that important.

It looks like they're giving Matt puempel a real shot to make the team.
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Post #489 by RTWAP » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:49 pm

Would have preferred Condra but if they want to open things up for younger guys then that's good too.
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Re: Ottawa Senators Cap&Roster Discussion

Post #490 by ColinM » Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:48 pm

So the forwards are:

MacCarthur - Turris - Stone
Michalek - Zib - Ryan
Puempel - Lazar - Pageau
Hoffman (RFA) - Smith - Chiasson (RFA)
Neil - Guy from Bingo

So depending on how Greening, Chiasson and Hoffman's situation each plays out I could see how the Sens payroll would be set to $63 million. Melynk would be happy with that since they would be right in the middle of the cap and the floor. This way he doesn't have to pay into revenue sharing.

http://capfriendly.com/?p=team-cap&t...awa%20Senators

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