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Post #551 by Skrymir » Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:29 pm

So the Big Rig has suffered a setback... cracked disk in his back and there is no timetable for his return. While I think most saw him as the 7th Dman it does likely open a roster spot.

VWikstrand? Claesson? Someone else?
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Post #552 by Germz » Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:44 pm

I wonder if this will be it for the Rig.

Wideman's AHL breakout last year certainly will give him a chance at NHL action this year. Claesson probably isn't far behind.
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Post #553 by ColinM » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:25 pm

I sure hope Philips retires. Not just because he can't play any more but because if he tries to play he might not be able to walk.
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Post #554 by TGR » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:27 am

Just retire and work on your restaurant chain and beer.
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Post #555 by senate » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:51 pm

Puempel is up on an emergency recall for Lazar.
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Post #556 by TGR » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:24 pm

Hmmm. Interesting what will happen once everybody is "healthy" again.
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Post #557 by cawbber » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:02 pm

you guys think Max McCormick is up for the duration of the season?
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Post #558 by MP » Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:17 pm

I hope not. When does MacArthur get back?
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Post #559 by senate » Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:11 pm

MP wrote:I hope not. When does MacArthur get back?


He started skating last week but hasn't practiced yet. So at least weeks, maybe months, maybe never.
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Post #560 by Ricard_Persson » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:31 pm

I think they have to maybe look at getting MacArthur 10 regular season games and hold him back to that point even if he's ready earlier. Every week of rest helps, and he really only has one more shot. If he can't go two years without the next head injury he's done. He'll have to shut it down.

10 games would be enough to get comfortable with the speed and get a few hits in. It would be nice if he could pull it off and make it back in March. He's sort of quietly been forgotten. A top three forward not that long ago.
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Post #561 by Hossa » Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:18 pm

cob wrote:you guys think Max McCormick is up for the duration of the season?


He's a good hard-working person. So probably.
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Post #562 by TGR » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:16 pm

McCormick reminds me of Pageau with his work ethic. Might not score as much but plays with the same energy.
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Post #563 by zamboner » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:41 pm

Apparently TSN is reporting that Jared Cowen is so bad, that if you buy him out and hide his skates, your team will be rewarded with extra cap room next year.
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Post #564 by zamboner » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:51 pm

zamboner wrote:Apparently TSN is reporting that Jared Cowen is so bad, that if you buy him out and hide his skates, your team will be rewarded with extra cap room next year.


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Post #565 by The Bytown Boozer » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:43 pm

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Post #566 by senate » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:48 pm

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Post #567 by MP » Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:51 pm

Why?! :why:
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Post #568 by Fruity Pebbles » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:03 pm

I feel if Alfredsson had stayed - we should have Phillips and maybe Neil be lifetime Sens.

But since Alfie wasn't a lifetime Sen then everyone should be up for grabs.
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Post #569 by senate » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:39 am

Widemen has been extended for 2 two years, 800k per, one way.
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Post #570 by Ricard_Persson » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:01 pm

Shall be the end of Weirdcock.
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Post #571 by Redden Punches Faces » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:44 pm

wideman almost into the Boro level money
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Post #572 by senate » Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:12 pm



Murray also reiterated his intent to resign Neil.

Great day to be a Senators fan.
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Post #573 by MP » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:34 pm

So wirecock++ for Droolin?
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Post #574 by Redden Punches Faces » Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:50 pm

I don't care unless NEIL!! is re signed. Time to back burner everything else.
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Post #575 by FH2002 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:38 pm

MP wrote:So wirecock++ for Droolin?


White and a pick might do it. No Wiercioch.
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Post #576 by MP » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:07 pm

Akeson/Varone/Gauthier-Leduc/cond. 7th for O'Dell/Schneider/Guptill/Sdao

Lol wut?
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Post #577 by TGR » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:22 pm

Akeson is from Ottawa. It only makes sense for Bryan Murray.
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Post #578 by Redden Punches Faces » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:44 pm

local boy out, local boy in. Gotta make the numbers work
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Post #579 by TGR » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:07 am

I forgot that O'Dell mutt was from Ottawa.
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Post #580 by RTWAP » Fri May 20, 2016 11:46 pm

We all know Stamkos is coming to Ottawa. But what would the cap situation look like after the inevitable happens?

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/109271

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (13)
Rightwing: B. Ryan ($7,250,000) - M. Zibanejad ($2,625,000) - M. Stone ($3,500,000) - C. Neil ($1,500,000)
Centre: S. Stamkos ($9,500,000) - K. Turris ($3,500,000) - J. Pageau ($900,000) - C. Lazar ($894,167)
Leftwing: M. Hoffman ($4,200,000) - C. MacArthur ($4,650,000) - Z. Smith ($1,887,500) - R. Dzingel ($700,000) - M. Puempel ($800,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: E. Karlsson ($6,500,000) - C. Ceci ($3,000,000) - C. Wideman ($800,000)
Left: M. Methot ($4,900,000) - D. Phaneuf ($7,000,000) - M. Borowiecki ($1,100,000) - A. Benoit ($700,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
C. Anderson ($4,200,000) - A. Hammond ($1,350,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
NHL Salary Cap: $74,000,000
Cap Hit: $71,456,667
Cap Space: $2,543,333
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Post #581 by MP » Sat May 21, 2016 9:28 pm

I'd rather spend the $9.5M on defence...
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Post #582 by Fruity Pebbles » Sun May 22, 2016 5:34 pm

MP wrote:I'd rather spend the $9.5M on defence...


For me - I'd save it for Karlsson, Stone or if we can get a legit #1 C somehow - for that guy.

If we can land Stamkos and he isn't asking for Kane/Toews money - I'd consider it. People have been down on him lately but he's a skilled center.
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Post #583 by RTWAP » Wed May 25, 2016 12:27 am

Five "truths" that drive the Stamkos to Ottawa thingy.
1) TB doesn't need Stamkos anymore
2) Stamkos wants to play in Toronto
3) Stamkos doesn't want to play in Toronto for the next two years
4) No team would want to sign Stamkos for two years ...
5) Except Ottawa which doesn't want him for more than three years anyway (Karlsson's raise)
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Post #584 by BlackRedGold » Wed May 25, 2016 6:22 pm

MP wrote:I'd rather spend the $9.5M on defence...


What dmen could you pay $9.5M to? Guys who get paid that rarely become available.

If Stamkos were signed, you trade Zibanejad (or maybe a slim chance it would be Turris instead) for prospects/picks and a RW or third pairing dman.
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Re: Ottawa Senators Cap&Roster Discussion

Post #585 by MP » Wed May 25, 2016 9:56 pm

BlackRedGold wrote:
MP wrote:I'd rather spend the $9.5M on defence...


What dmen could you pay $9.5M to? Guys who get paid that rarely become available.

If Stamkos were signed, you trade Zibanejad (or maybe a slim chance it would be Turris instead) for prospects/picks and a RW or third pairing dman.

I did not say one D, preferably a solid No. 4 guy and a veteran bottom pairing guy.
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Post #586 by RTWAP » Sat May 28, 2016 12:09 am

In an earlier version of the lineup I had Zibby traded. But then I thought he would actually make a pretty decent right winger. I'm half convinced he's actually a better winger than centre. He's Mike Fisher 2.0 with a bit more talent and and a larger frame, but a less oomph.
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Post #587 by RTWAP » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:16 am

The official expansion draft rules were released. https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion- ... -281010592

Ottawa should have no problem meeting the Player Exposure Requirements (*chuckle*):
  • Defenseman can be Boro (I knew we were keeping him around for some reason)
  • Forwards can be Puempel and MacArthur
  • Hammond can be the goalie

I while Ottawa would probably like to protect 4 d-men in Karlsson, Ceci, Methot, and Phaneuf (required due to NMC) I can't see them opting for the 8 skaters variant as that would leave them exposing some valuable forwards. While they may try asking Phaneuf to waive his NMC, that seems unlikely to work.

Below is my listing of the forwards and d-men, ranked based on my willingness to expose them. For example, players with an injury history may fall because I'm less worried about losing them. Players with expiring contracts and UFA status may fall because I'm willing to try to resign them 2 weeks later (e.g. Zack Smith).

The extremely painful loss would be Marc Methot, and somewhat less so would be Matt Puempel. I'm split about Clarke MacArthur. If he recovers and has a productive and healthy year then he might even bump Lazar off the protected list.

But Methot. Man. That's tough. Should they look at trading him after the season to a team with few D-men to protect? Edmonton I'm looking at you. If Dorion really is looking to add a veteran D-man then they need to get someone they don't mind losing, or someone whose contract expires next July.

The other option would be to try to acquire someone (preferably as a UFA this summer) that's more attractive than Methot. They can only lose one player so maybe they can create a honeypot. Or maybe you hope MacArthur rebounds and leave him exposed anyway because you'd rather lose him than Methot. He'll also have 3 years left on his deal compared to Methot's two years.

FORWARDS:
Protected:
  • Bobby Ryan (required to protect)
  • Mark Stone
  • Mike Hoffman
  • Kyle Turris
  • Jean-Gabriel Pageau
  • Mika Zibanejad
  • Curtis Lazar
Exposed:
  • Matt Puempel
  • Clarke MacArthur
  • Ryan Dzingel
  • Zack Smith
  • Buddy Robinson
  • Max McCormick
  • Chris Neil
Exempt:
  • Nick Paul
  • Colin White
  • Francis Perron

DEFENSEMEN:
Protected:
  • Dion Phaneuf (required to protect)
  • Erik Karlsson
  • Cody Ceci
Exposed:
  • Marc Methot
  • Chris Wideman
  • Mark Borowiecki
  • Fredrik Claesson
  • Mikael Wikstrand
Exempt:
  • Thomas Chabot
  • Andreas Englund
  • Macoy Erkamps
  • Ben Harpur

GOALIES:
Protected:
  • Craig Anderson
Exposed:
  • Andrew Hammond
Exempt:
  • Matt O'Connor (2 year professional)
  • Marcus Hogberg (unsigned)
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Re: Ottawa Senators Cap&Roster Discussion

Post #588 by RTWAP » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:20 am

I think the Sens actual plan should probably factor in who the LV GM is and any personal ties and preferences he has.
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Post #589 by Germz » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:01 pm

Good post RTWAP. I like your protect and expose lists.

To me the expansion draft only creates two real problems for the Sens.

The first problem, as you mentioned, is the team's stated desire to acquire another defenseman by trade or free agency. It would be really bad asset management to make a big trade for, say, a no. 4/5 D-man, and then lose him almost immediately to Vegas. To me that makes it likely that the Sens will wait until September and give Chabot every opportunity to make the team out of camp. They might be willing to roll with Karlsson, Phaneuf, Methot, Ceci, Chabot, Borowiecki, Wideman and Claesson next year, and put off another D acquisition until after the expansion draft has passed and they have a better sense of Chabot and Claesson's future with the team.

A second and less important problem, to me, is Zack Smith. To me he is a natural trade candidate. His 25-goal fluke season must give him some value. But the team is really weak on the left wing, and that gives him some leverage. Do we wait until he hits UFA and risk losing him for nothing? Do we trade him and get even weaker on the left hand side? Or do we extend him and then lose him in the expansion draft? Or do we extend him and (*shudder*) protect him?

A healthy MacArthur could help make that decision by making Smith more expendable. I'm a big MacArthur fan and there's no question that we really, really missed him last season. Unfortunately, I'm really skeptical about his future. We have a year to get a sense of whether he's still able to play at his usual level, so I think the timing is good on that front.

I'm not sure losing Methot in the expansion draft would be so bad. He'll be 32 then and that is getting a bit old for a defensive D whose body has taken so many beatings. He didn't have the greatest year in 2015-16 so there is a chance he's declining already. Losing him to Vegas would save us from the last two years of his contract. If he has a great season this year I might eat my words. But when was the last time the Sens had a pure defensive D who was top-4 material after his 32nd birthday?
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Post #590 by i.m. fletcher » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:42 pm

While losing methot may not be that big of a deal with his age, they should still try to sell high before then.

I thought they may try and trade him this summer and take a try at Brian Campbell on a one year deal. Outside of that, maybe they just wait until next offseason.
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Post #591 by RTWAP » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:09 pm

@germz

If Smith has a season similar to last year then we want to extend him. But if he's amenable then the way to do it is to negotiate the deal ahead of time and agree to extend him the day after the expansion draft. I think he'd want to do that. it's the only way he can control where he's going to play, assuming he wants to continue in Ottawa. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a flurry of extensions that week.

If they grab a D-man with term then it better be a trade for someone with an unattractive contract, but we'd only do that if we were sending one back the other way. And that isn't likely since we sent our undesirable contracts to the Leafs in the Phaneuf trade.

I guess another option is a UFA on a one-year deal. If we did that with the intention of extending him after the expansion draft (assuming the fit is good) then that would free them up to either expose Methot without too much concern or trade him away for another protected asset (prospect or pick).

I'd love to have the old Mac back. It might happen. And if it does then I might think about protecting him over Lazar, but probably not. It's a bit of a gamble but if we expose him then it almost looks like we're trying to get them to take the contract off our hands. They might be leery of the trap and grab a safer and younger asset like Puempel instead, or a safe veteran like Methot.

There are so many unknowns at this point, a year before the expansion draft. Some of the players we're concerned about losing might have serious injuries or subpar years next year and become a lot less desirable to LV.
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Post #592 by RTWAP » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:11 pm

i.m. fletcher wrote:While losing methot may not be that big of a deal with his age, they should still try to sell high before then.

I thought they may try and trade him this summer and take a try at Brian Campbell on a one year deal. Outside of that, maybe they just wait until next offseason.


Good point about Campbell. I wonder if we might see a flurry of one-year deals for older guys that would normally sign 2-3 year deals at this point in their careers. That way they control where they're playing and don't consume a protected spot for the team that wants them.
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Post #593 by i.m. fletcher » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:44 pm

RTWAP wrote:
i.m. fletcher wrote:While losing methot may not be that big of a deal with his age, they should still try to sell high before then.

I thought they may try and trade him this summer and take a try at Brian Campbell on a one year deal. Outside of that, maybe they just wait until next offseason.


Good point about Campbell. I wonder if we might see a flurry of one-year deals for older guys that would normally sign 2-3 year deals at this point in their careers. That way they control where they're playing and don't consume a protected spot for the team that wants them.


That's my guess. That way they can work with teams to maintain flexibility. The high end guys will be protected anyways, but I can't imagine a 35+ guy signing elsewhere and then running the risk of finishing his career on an expansion team.
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Post #594 by Germz » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:57 pm

You are most wise, @rtwap.

fletcher too.

I guess.

Definitely curious to see what kind of UFA arrangements and 1-year veteran deals come of this.
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Post #595 by RTWAP » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:47 pm

And it's not actually all bad for the expansion team. They might have 10+ competent veterans available as UFAs that wouldn't otherwise be there. So they can use their expansion picks on prospects (e.g. Puempel) and then wine and dine some older guys into playing in Vegas.
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Re: Ottawa Senators Cap&Roster Discussion

Post #596 by emo » Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:44 pm

I wouldn't mind Scott Hartnell as our 3rd line RW. He's good buddies with MacArthur, so maybe he'd waive his no movement clause. If they are looking to unload salary, maybe they take Puempel.

Hoff- Turris - Ryan
Smith - Pageau - Stone
McArthur - ZBad - Hartnell
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Post #597 by RTWAP » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:48 pm

Suck it, Phaneuf.
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Post #598 by TGR » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:30 pm

What did he do now?
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Post #599 by emo » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:25 pm

Hartnell is the guy who said, "Suck it, Phaneuf!"
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Re: Ottawa Senators Cap&Roster Discussion

Post #600 by emo » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:26 pm

So, Kelly...

Hoff- Turris - Ryan
Smith - Pageau - Stone
McArthur - ZBad - Lazar
Dzingel - Kelly - Neil

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