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Post #7402 by MonkeyWrench » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:53 pm

Honus Joglund wrote:I like Phaneuf at $5.25 million better than Gaborik at $4.875 million. Both are signed until 2021.

I do aswell, but perhaps Dorion wanted the player to simply go away. Dion has been awful.
With Gabby atleast you have the option of him getting injured and vacationing to robidas island.
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Post #7403 by stoney » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:05 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:
Honus Joglund wrote:I like Phaneuf at $5.25 million better than Gaborik at $4.875 million. Both are signed until 2021.

I do aswell, but perhaps Dorion wanted the player to simply go away. Dion has been awful.
With Gabby atleast you have the option of him getting injured and vacationing to robidas island.


They can't afford to pay a guy to not play
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Post #7404 by Craig » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:38 pm

You don't have to if he's injured and the contract is insured.
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Post #7405 by Transplanted Caper » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:50 pm

The Senators' Robidas island has their money re-routed into an account on the Cayman Islands on the flight back to Ottawa.
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Post #7406 by stoney » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:15 am

Craig wrote:You don't have to if he's injured and the contract is insured.


But insurance may not fully cover. Cash strapped teams still trade the permanent IR guys to rid themselves of the bills.
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Post #7407 by vf » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:40 am

Craig wrote:You don't have to if he's injured and the contract is insured.


Contracts have to get renewed annually. No chance Gabby is insured.
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Post #7408 by Craig » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:29 pm

vf wrote:
Craig wrote:You don't have to if he's injured and the contract is insured.


Contracts have to get renewed annually. No chance Gabby is insured.


They do? Since when?

As far as I know, there are two ways to insure players in the NHL. One is through the league's communal insurance program, which I think is how most high-value players are insured. In that program you can get like 80% of the salary back from injured players, but the insurance company can flag players with recurring injuries to limit or eliminate compensation for guys who are huge risks. So like, if someone has 8 concussions, you might not get anything when he's knocked out long term for #9. I don't think that program allows for being generally fragile though, you have to have a pre-existing injury to point to. Gaborik, for all his brittleness, doesn't really have a consistent cause. Early in his career it was mostly hip/groin stuff, but recently that hasn't been the problem. He's hurt his back, concussion, cut his knee, separated a shoulder, sprained his knee, broke his collarbone, broke his foot and a few undisclosed injuries. Lots of shit, but I'm not convinced he could be excluded from insurance over any of it.

The other way is to take out private insurance. I don't think there's any way to know how that works.
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Post #7409 by Geo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:37 pm



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Post #7410 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:32 pm

Dorion, Bennning.
Unsure of his contract length, but Peter Chiarelli is pumped.
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Post #7411 by mooseOAK » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:54 pm

I think that Benning is a smart guy.

Phaneuf is hated by hockey fans and loved by his teammates.
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Post #7412 by stoney » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:52 am

2 things

How many times in a decade can the Oiler's draft top 5? They're at 6 of 8 so far.

Why did McDavid sign an 8 year deal?
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Post #7413 by MP » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:30 am

stoney wrote:2 things

How many times in a decade can the Oiler's draft top 5? They're at 6 of 8 so far.

Why did McDavid sign an 8 year deal?

I'd say 7 times.

And the are 100 million reasons McDavid, and every single person would sign that deal.
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Post #7414 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:50 am

It's not like he can't demand a trade.

Edmonton wasting McDavid is even worse than Ottawa wasting Karlsson. It makes me sick, it does.
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Post #7415 by MP » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:14 pm

Like Toronto and Sundin. Yeah, I get it.
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Post #7416 by LeafOfBread » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:15 pm

MP wrote:Like Toronto and Sundin. Yeah, I get it.

Don't worry, you guys might get a chance to waste Dahlin soon.
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Post #7417 by MP » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:15 pm

Here's hoping!
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Post #7418 by WTF » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:20 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:
MP wrote:Like Toronto and Sundin. Yeah, I get it.

Don't worry, you guys might get a chance to waste Dahlin soon.


That's okay. They get to waste Price in the meantime.
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Post #7419 by Craig » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:27 pm

When did the Sens get Price?
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Post #7420 by WTF » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:57 pm

Craig wrote:When did the Sens get Price?


Whoops. Missed that it was from MP in the first place. Replace Price with Karlsson. Just about as bad.
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Post #7421 by MP » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:20 pm

WTF wrote:
Craig wrote:When did the Sens get Price?


Whoops. Missed that it was from MP in the first place. Replace Price with Karlsson. Just about as bad.

That's what Thomas said that made me respond... Thanks for following along WTF, glad we came full circle on that one...
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Post #7422 by WTF » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:32 pm

MP wrote:
WTF wrote:
Craig wrote:When did the Sens get Price?


Whoops. Missed that it was from MP in the first place. Replace Price with Karlsson. Just about as bad.

That's what Thomas said that made me respond... Thanks for following along WTF, glad we came full circle on that one...


Meh. Half a glance was about all I could spare today.
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Post #7423 by MP » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:34 pm

WTF wrote:
MP wrote:
WTF wrote:
Whoops. Missed that it was from MP in the first place. Replace Price with Karlsson. Just about as bad.

That's what Thomas said that made me respond... Thanks for following along WTF, glad we came full circle on that one...


Meh. Half a glance was about all I could spare today.

I appreciate the gesture.
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Post #7425 by LeafOfBread » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:31 pm


Fuck, I was hoping the Leafs could get him. Would've been a great fit.
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Post #7426 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:51 pm

Not even a little surprised.
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Post #7427 by LeafOfBread » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:08 pm

Mrazek to Flyers for a conditional 3rd and 4th. Wow, shocked that's all it took. Great move for Philly.
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Post #7428 by Honus Joglund » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:40 pm

Mrazek:

14/15: 29 GP, .918 SV% (NHL)
14/15: 13 GP, .927 SV% (AHL)

15/16: 54 GP, .921 SV% (NHL)

16/17: 50 GP, .901 SV% (NHL)
16/17: 4 GP, .881 SV% (WHC)


Mystery goalie:

14/15: 16 GP, .932 SV% (NHL)
14/15: 50 GP, .917 SV% (AHL)

15/16: 20 GP, .922 SV% (NHL)
15/16: 21 GP, .917 SV% (AHL)
15/16: 2 GP, .971 SV% (WHC)

16/17: 50 GP, .904 SV% (NHL)
16/17: 7 GP, .938 SV% (WHC)


Mystery goalie is Calvin Pickard.
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Post #7429 by WTF » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:18 pm

So Price and Weber are both out, eh?

They must be gunning hard for Dahlin.
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Post #7430 by LeafOfBread » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:39 pm

WTF wrote:So Price and Weber are both out, eh?

They must be gunning hard for Dahlin.

What a trade by Bergevin!
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Post #7431 by paulster » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:28 pm

That organization is hopeless.
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Post #7432 by MP » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:52 pm

paulster wrote:That organization is hopeless.

What does that make Ottawa..?
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Post #7433 by paulster » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:13 pm

MP wrote:
paulster wrote:That organization is hopeless.

What does that make Ottawa..?


At least they’re not handcuffed by a requirement to only have bilingual white men in charge. There is hope.
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Post #7434 by WTF » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:16 pm

MP wrote:
paulster wrote:That organization is hopeless.

What does that make Ottawa..?


The city that fun forgot?
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Post #7435 by LeafOfBread » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:52 pm

Brassard to Pittsburgh. As good as Tampa has been this year I think Pittsburgh still has to be the favourite especially with how they've been rounding into form again recently. Disgusting C depth.

Edit: So Pittsburgh only gives up a 1st, Ian Cole and Filip Gustavsson. They did great here. And Ottawa retains 18%
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Post #7436 by Transplanted Caper » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:53 pm

Decent return for Brassard. Ottawa is in the tank and owned by an idiot, so expect more money to go out the door.
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Post #7437 by stoney » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:30 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:Brassard to Pittsburgh. As good as Tampa has been this year I think Pittsburgh still has to be the favourite especially with how they've been rounding into form again recently. Disgusting C depth.

Edit: So Pittsburgh only gives up a 1st, Ian Cole and Filip Gustavsson. They did great here. And Ottawa retains 18%


They must immediately flip Cole as well I assume?
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Post #7438 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:39 pm

I'm surprised that is all Brassard got. That 1st rounder will be late and Gustavsson isn't a blue chip prospect by any means.
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Post #7439 by Dynrehab » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:57 pm

What a debacle!
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Post #7440 by Geo » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:11 pm

Dynrehab wrote:What a debacle!

Another day with the Ottawa Senators.
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Post #7441 by Zardoz » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:41 pm

Montreal in talks about being a 3rd party in a three way EK deal with Ottawa.

Maybe not a bad idea for them to jump in on that and maybe grab a few assets.
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Post #7443 by Curry Rage » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:12 am

Apparently Boston also thinks they're a one line team. Looks like they've got a deal in place for Nash.
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Post #7444 by Curry Rage » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:13 am

Not quite sure how he'll fit in with their new up-tempo style but he's a handful down low when he decides to give a shit. Though it's questionable how much impact he can have. I mean, JVR is a much more productive player these days.
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Post #7445 by Curry Rage » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:48 am

There's some salary retention on both sides -- 50% of both the Nash and Beleskey contracts -- but this is the deal in a nutshell:

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That's essentially the old "Couple of 1sts and a 2nd" formula with some sweetners/bodies/money exchanged just 'cos.
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Post #7447 by stoney » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:07 am

Looks like another lame deadline show at this rate.
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Post #7448 by Philthy Thrillz » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:19 am

:pitbull:

Leafs put a little fear into the big bad bruins last night?
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Post #7449 by Whit Dickman » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:55 am

Curry Rage wrote:There's some salary retention on both sides -- 50% of both the Nash and Beleskey contracts -- but this is the deal in a nutshell:


I'm glad the b's are trading away firsts. Chara is almost done and I don't think they have the components (with or without nash) to win while he's still skating. Which will be right around the time our young lads hit their prime
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Post #7450 by cawbber » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:16 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:There's some salary retention on both sides -- 50% of both the Nash and Beleskey contracts -- but this is the deal in a nutshell:


I'm glad the b's are trading away firsts. Chara is almost done and I don't think they have the components (with or without nash) to win while he's still skating. Which will be right around the time our young lads hit their prime

That's a huge price for a guy clearly past his prime.

Even losing Spooner, who is a pretty good player in his own right, takes away from their C depth. With Krejci's fragility I'm not sure I see benefit.

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