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Post #301 by LeafOfBread » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:59 am

Curry Rage wrote:Haven’t read or heard a peep about Carrick.

Probably more to do with attention on the shiny toys like Dermott, Ozhiganov, and Rosen/Borgman. Also didn't play last night.
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Post #302 by vf » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:32 pm

Hopefully Carrick isn't on the club this year. For how small a role he played last year I'd much rather one olthe other guys who have higher ceilings imo.
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Post #303 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:54 pm



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Post #304 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:02 pm

I have a feeling even he'll be fine on opening day, but he (or someone else) could be place on IR just to get a player on the roster that requires waivers. Then push them through waivers after every other NHL team does it.
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Post #305 by LeafOfBread » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:08 pm

vf wrote:Hopefully Carrick isn't on the club this year. For how small a role he played last year I'd much rather one olthe other guys who have higher ceilings imo.


I thought Carrick was pretty solid but unspectacular in 2016/2017. Last year he was yoyo'd a lot between Borgman/Polak and injuries to Zaitsev, it seemed like he could never really get into a rhythm and Babcock did not have the patience / leeway to let Carrick work through his problems. Despite that he still had a bit of an uptick to his production (scored at roughly a 20 pt pace which is not bad for his limited minutes). He's also younger than Oz and Rosen and slightly older than Borgman.

I think he's still a decent 5/6, but I don't see him on the club long-term cause Babcock has never been a big fan and between Rosen/Borgman/Ozhiganov as well as prospects like Liljegren and Sandin he's going to get squeezed out for sure unless he just looks absolutely amazing.
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Post #306 by LeafOfBread » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:11 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1042447263111557120


Dermott seems to be a little injury prone. Hopefully it's minor and he can have a healthy season.
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Post #307 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:30 pm

I think it was his shoulder that sidelined him in the last game of the Marlies run. Hopefully this isn't a re-aggravation of that.
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Post #308 by Whit Dickman » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:45 pm

Carrick's biggest problem is size. He's good and feisty, though.
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Post #309 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:07 pm

He's like Zaitsev, it takes him too long to decide what to do and by then they are in a bad position.
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Post #310 by vf » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:23 pm

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vf wrote:Hopefully Carrick isn't on the club this year. For how small a role he played last year I'd much rather one olthe other guys who have higher ceilings imo.


I thought Carrick was pretty solid but unspectacular in 2016/2017. Last year he was yoyo'd a lot between Borgman/Polak and injuries to Zaitsev, it seemed like he could never really get into a rhythm and Babcock did not have the patience / leeway to let Carrick work through his problems. Despite that he still had a bit of an uptick to his production (scored at roughly a 20 pt pace which is not bad for his limited minutes). He's also younger than Oz and Rosen and slightly older than Borgman.

I think he's still a decent 5/6, but I don't see him on the club long-term cause Babcock has never been a big fan and between Rosen/Borgman/Ozhiganov as well as prospects like Liljegren and Sandin he's going to get squeezed out for sure unless he just looks absolutely amazing.


He's a fine all around dman that's not smart enough to make up for his physical limitations on a bottom pair. Because Babs doesn't trust him on the pk is a big reason I'd like to see him gone. If any of the kids earn his trust on the pk I presume they'll make the roster.
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Post #311 by LeafOfBread » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:03 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:He's like Zaitsev, it takes him too long to decide what to do and by then they are in a bad position.

IMO Carrick's feet can't keep up with his brain. I think he has a good understanding of the game, I always come away impressed with his interviews when he gives his own analysis (yes I know that doesn't necessarily translate), but for his size he is simply not fast enough and he relies on trying to use his strength, which works half the time I'd say. Unfortunately smaller D need to have at least 2 of 3 to be good: elite IQ, ridiculous strength and high level skating. In Carrick's case he really only ticks one of those boxes.
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Post #312 by LeafOfBread » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:57 am



Looks like Sandin already has a nickname :danson:
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Post #313 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:00 am

Sandin reminds me of Stuart Percy, but with better skating and hands.
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Post #314 by Thomas Malthus » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:11 pm

That's a name I haven't heard in a while.
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Post #315 by WTF » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:16 pm

Matt Finn v3?
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Post #316 by LeafOfBread » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:09 pm

Percy was looking half decent until injuries destroyed him. I remember watching him live against Colorado and was super impressed by how mature his game looked. Grew up a Leafs fan and was from Mississauga too... Too bad.
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Post #317 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:21 am

Percy could never skate at an NHL level, even before injuries. Boy could he pass though.
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AGENT ZERO wrote:Percy could never skate at an NHL level, even before injuries. Boy could he pass though.

His skating looked pretty damn good when I saw him live. His edge work was excellent. I think he had a few concussions and multiple lower body injuries.
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Post #319 by Whit Dickman » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:12 pm

Percy might still make it into some NHL games. Had 34 points in 67 AHL games last year. Still only 25. Might top out as TJ Brennan, which is respectable.
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Post #321 by Whit Dickman » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:22 pm

Leafs are dressing a 15-year-old tonight

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Post #322 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:40 pm

Gonna use Mitch's spare ID to get into the bars.

He's a fun interview, I'm really pulling for him. His creativity on the ice is really fun to watch.
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Post #323 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:36 pm

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AGENT ZERO wrote:Percy could never skate at an NHL level, even before injuries. Boy could he pass though.

His skating looked pretty damn good when I saw him live. His edge work was excellent. I think he had a few concussions and multiple lower body injuries.


We saw different players, I work 5 minutes from the Hershey centre and never liked his skating live.
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Post #324 by WTF » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:27 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:Leafs are dressing a 15-year-old tonight



Simmons: Are the Leafs skirting child labour laws!?!
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Post #325 by Honus Joglund » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:14 pm

Breaking news: Babz likes Ozhiganov a lot

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ozh ... e-pairing/

Now well into the second week of training camp, Ozhiganov is still trying to work his way through the nuances of a Mike Babcock practice. He has some familiarity with a coach who made the trip to Moscow last year just to have dinner with him – Babcock also took Ozhiganov’s wife to breakfast when she subsequently visited Toronto – but the 25-year-old never went through a skate in the KHL that didn’t include any time at the white board and only moderate verbal instruction … all of it barked with urgency in Babcock-ese.

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Ozhiganov is less of an unknown to his coach than a typical free agent coming over from Europe might be because of how aggressively the Leafs pursued him. Babcock kept in regular communication with the player all last season — even sending him notes about things he picked up while watching clips of Ozhiganov playing for CSKA Moscow.

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"I see a big big man, good stick, head up, passes the puck really good, shoots it good," said Babcock. "I think he’s a real good player."


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Post #326 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:22 am

Of all the defenders on the cusp he has easily been the most consistent and recognizable in a good way.
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Post #327 by LeafOfBread » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:20 am



LOL

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Post #328 by paulster » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:23 am

LeafOfBread wrote:https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1044588664284753920

LOL

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Post #330 by WTF » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:17 pm

Pickard and McElhinney on waivers along with Carrick.

For now, Sparks, Holl, and.. ugh... Marincin are Leafs.

Edit: now I'm reading Carrick isn't on waivers. Traded?
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Post #331 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:24 pm

I'm cool with losing one of those tenders. Not both.
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Post #333 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:52 pm

Was just about to post that he in fact was not placed on waivers.

On Monday morning, the Toronto Maple Leafs announced that defenceman Connor Carrick was one of three players who would be waived at noon, but the 24-year-old blueliner did not appear on the league's waiver list.


Marincin and Holl should make the roster and rotate I would think.
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Post #334 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:12 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:Was just about to post that he in fact was not placed on waivers.

On Monday morning, the Toronto Maple Leafs announced that defenceman Connor Carrick was one of three players who would be waived at noon, but the 24-year-old blueliner did not appear on the league's waiver list.


Marincin and Holl should make the roster and rotate I would think.


That makes sense, between the two of them there's good versatility in case of injury or underperformance of Dermott or Ozhiganov. A nice extra pairing with each handedness, PK acumen, and specialization on offence and defence. Plus, we're not taking away development/rebound opportunities from Borgman or Rosen.
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Post #335 by LeafOfBread » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:34 pm

Honus Joglund wrote:https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1046804440789979136

Poor guy gonna be stuck behind Roman Polak again
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Post #336 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Oct 01, 2018 2:14 pm

If you can't bypass Roman Polak on the depth chart of two separate organizations it might be time to consider a career change.
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LOL @ the extraneous condition
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Post #338 by vf » Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:04 pm

Thank fuck. Carrick was a solid gamble and he busted. I don't care what he develops into in Dallas.
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Post #340 by paulster » Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:08 pm

Baby steps. We’re doing them!
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Post #341 by Curry Rage » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:17 am

Hope Carrick makes something of himself. I’m not that fussed either way about the backup goaltender. Sparks has to make the jump sooner or later. He’s done enough in the AHL. And, depending on how he handles it mentally, this could be a perfect situation for him with Anderson playing so many games. Sparks gets to ease into the league without a huge amount riding on him and plug up any holes NHLers find in his game.

The rest of the lineup looks pretty close to what we all expected going into camp. Either Leivo or Ennis will be on the bubble when Nylander signs. I get keeping Marancin based on what I saw of him in the AHL playoffs. He’s terrible with the puck at times, but he does so many other things really, really well. I was really impressed with his defensive game. Spot duty as a defensive specialist and PK guy won’t hurt.

I think Oz fairly won himself the starting third pair RD spot, given his camp. He looked a bit confused at times, but a lot of that is down to bigger ice, no English skills, etc. I thought he looked pretty good playing 1-on-1 versus NA pros. He has the strength necessary to handle them, doesn’t seem to have any problem keeping up or mobility wise and he can pass the puck. He’ll be fine. I was a lot more disappointed that Borgman didn’t step it up and make a name for himself. He had a long run of servicible play in the NHL last year. That said, I didn’t see him play much in the preseason. Just by chance I haven’t watched the games he played in. So I can’t comment one way or the other on what he was doing wrong or right.
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Post #342 by stoney » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:37 am

Sparks also has the benefit of a team that can outscore mistakes.
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Post #343 by vf » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:55 am

I find this narrative that Sparks will have a lot of problems being a back up as rather amusing. He was never a full time starter until after he was drafted. Had two seasons starting in the OHL and then has bounced around the Leafs minor clubs in mostly platoon roles.
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Post #344 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:35 am

vf wrote:I find this narrative that Sparks will have a lot of problems being a back up as rather amusing. He was never a full time starter until after he was drafted. Had two seasons starting in the OHL and then has bounced around the Leafs minor clubs in mostly platoon roles.


Almost as amusing as McBackup being a reliable backup despite the fact that his career numbers have been abysmal.
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Post #345 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:35 am

Well, he's going to get his first chance early. Leafs have a back-to-back this weekend, playing Chicago on the tail end on Sunday. Sparks is also from the Chicago area, so it's going to be a huge game for him for many reasons.
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Post #346 by Curry Rage » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:48 am

I’m not sure who is saying he’ll have a big problem. But, it’s going to be an adjustment going from playing half the games to maybe 20 and going from being considered a starter to a guy who only gets to play when the top banana is tired or hurt. It shouldn’t be a problem, but some guys are better suited to the backup role than others. Goaltenders have been saying as much since time immemorial. I can sympathise. I don’t make a good second fiddle. If I think I can do the job as well or better than the person above me, I can get real insubordinate real quick. Not everyone wants to get dressed up to sit on the bench and count shots and model snapback hats every night.
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Post #347 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:53 am

Curry Rage wrote:I’m not sure who is saying he’ll have a big problem. But, it’s going to be an adjustment going from playing half the games to maybe 20 and going from being considered a starter to a guy who only gets to play when the top banana is tired or hurt. It shouldn’t be a problem, but some guys are better suited to the backup role than others. Goaltenders have been saying as much since time immemorial. I can sympathise. I don’t make a good second fiddle. If I think I can do the job as well or better than the person above me, I can get real insubordinate real quick. Not everyone wants to get dressed up to sit on the bench and count shots and model snapback hats every night.


Sparks has been in that role his entire career. He was a third string goalie his first season in the OHL, and was in a tandem for most of his Marlies career. Even last year, he spent a good share of the season splitting time with Pickard. If he ever creates a competition for the starting job, the real concern will be whether or not he can handle a starters load because last seasons 43 games was the most he has ever played in a season since turning pro.
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Post #348 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:20 pm

Pickard claimed by Philly and McBackup claimed by Carolina. We're all in on Sparks now I guess.
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Re: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Goblet: Our Toronto Leafs 2018-2019 General Discussion

Post #350 by MonkeyWrench » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:35 pm

I was very impressed with my limited viewing of Kaskisuo. For what its worth. Little cherry on this shit cake. Should be the starter for the Marlies after being pushed down to the ECHL/chicago ahl, due to depth.

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