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Post #402 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:53 am

Didn't see that coming.
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Post #403 by Curry Rage » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:28 pm

Heh. That’s nice of them. Dubas probably snuck himself at least one smug little grin.
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Post #404 by vf » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:03 pm

At least he's going back to a place he knows well. The pressbox.
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Post #405 by vf » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:08 pm

Curiosity had me looking up what we traded Frankie away for and I'm kinda shocked to see Eric Fehr playing 3rd line minutes in Minnesota.
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Post #407 by stoney » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:51 am

The forwards continue to blow the zone, which sets up a low percentage stretch pass, which seems to be counter to what Babcock constantly stresses his team do.....yet they continue to do it, so it must be what he wants.

All the D have periods of time where they look like they can't complete a pass. Being an entire zone, with defenders in the way, sure isn't helping.

And calling that embarrassing is unfair. Other than icing it, how is Hainsey supposed to advance the puck from the top of the D-Zone circle, to the far blue line, with players between him and the target(s) and a defender closing him off into the boards? It's the NHL, you can't pass through people. I expect our own players to take that pass away 100% of the time, the opposition is no different.
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Post #408 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:10 pm

Article from the Washington Post during last season's playoffs about the Caps, Pens, and shot quality vs. quantity: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/cap ... 52e597592a
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Post #409 by Philthy Thrillz » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:55 pm

Such sloppy hockey.
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Post #410 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:08 am

Sacre Fuck, haven’t been paying much mind to Leafs t’internet but two losses (one bad) plus a few days’ layoff and apparently the team is the worst, Babcock couldn’t coach a highschool ringette team, Dubas has botched the Nylander deal, Lou fucked up the team forever and Marleau is the biggest Cap drag to ever drag on a Cap. Like a week ago, Matthews was a gawd, Kapanen was going to replace not only JVR but Nylander so Willy better get his move on and sign for whatever he could get and the team was going to waltz to a President’s Trophy. Pop some lithium in your green tea, go sit on the porch and calm the fuck down. It’s Half Term break here and I thought I’d have a respite from all the high school drama. Apparently not.
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Post #411 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:10 am

BTW, I don’t mean youz guise.
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Post #412 by WTF » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:34 am

Now is not the time for Panik?
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Post #413 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:19 pm

Nobody has a need to Panik. Panik is never a solution...
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Post #414 by LeafOfBread » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:54 pm



Mono?
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Post #415 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Oct 26, 2018 3:47 pm

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Post #416 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:51 pm

Considering that it's unlikely that Gardiner is able to re-sign with us, how would you feel about packaging him with something to bring a right handed defender into the fold. The Canes left side would be improved by Gardiner, but I'm not sure we'd be willing to part with what would be required to land Pesce. TvR would be a big upgrade on our right side and would also allow Dermott to get more minutes. It would be pretty underwhelming to move on from Gardiner and get back TvR, right? Even though there's a decent chance it could make the team better.

I'm still really interested in Andersson, Honka, and Sandheim.
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Post #417 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:24 am

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Post #418 by Curry Rage » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:40 am

Separation? Only guessing but I wonder if the sports science team are super cautious especially with the younger star guys? The only thing I hope he has going for him is the fact that he's only 20. His musculature hasn't even matured yet. Hopefully with the right training etc they can get that sorted for the long term.
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Post #419 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:34 am

The Leafs need to figure out the Nylander thing soon. They won't lose the season over the next 4-6 weeks, but they could fall out of the race for the division lead over that time frame if they continue to play with this lineup.
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Post #420 by Whit Dickman » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:51 am

Noooooo
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Post #421 by mooseOAK » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:14 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:The Leafs need to figure out the Nylander thing soon. They won't lose the season over the next 4-6 weeks, but they could fall out of the race for the division lead over that time frame if they continue to play with this lineup.

They have that $11 million centreman who is capable of playing more minutes.
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Post #422 by paulster » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:26 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:The Leafs need to figure out the Nylander thing soon. They won't lose the season over the next 4-6 weeks, but they could fall out of the race for the division lead over that time frame if they continue to play with this lineup.


I got u, fam.

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Post #423 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:31 pm

mooseOAK wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:The Leafs need to figure out the Nylander thing soon. They won't lose the season over the next 4-6 weeks, but they could fall out of the race for the division lead over that time frame if they continue to play with this lineup.

They have that $11 million centreman who is capable of playing more minutes.


We will still be a playoff team bc of JT and Kadri, but to keep pace with TB and BOS we need Nylander in the lineup.
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Post #424 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:13 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:We will still be a playoff team bc of JT and Kadri, but to keep pace with TB and BOS we need Nylander in the lineup.


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Post #425 by mooseOAK » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:11 pm

mooseOAK wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:The Leafs need to figure out the Nylander thing soon. They won't lose the season over the next 4-6 weeks, but they could fall out of the race for the division lead over that time frame if they continue to play with this lineup.

They have that $11 million centreman who is capable of playing more minutes.

Or not.
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Post #426 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:21 am



Here's some positive news at least. Even more impressive when you consider how badly this team has played at home.
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Post #428 by Curry Rage » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:32 pm

That sounds like what works against most teams.
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Post #429 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:00 pm

I'm not that worried by the lack of scoring, we did the same thing last November and were back on track by the new year.
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Post #430 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:44 pm



Interesting thread on Goat, historically his metrics were awful but seems to have turned the corner this year.

If you click the timestamp it'll open the whole thread with videos and other numbers.
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Post #433 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:09 pm

Awesome.
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Post #434 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:53 pm

vf wrote:Best PPP article I've ever read.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018 ... ck-ranting

Great read and very sobering
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Post #435 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:15 pm

If you wanted a scientific take on Matthews injury

The Maple Leafs announced on Monday morning their young star would miss a minimum of four weeks with a shoulder injury, but the exact nature of the issue — and treatment plan — weren’t disclosed. Medical professionals accustomed to dealing with hockey injuries, however, are fairly confident saying that how he was hit, how he reacted and the expected timeframe away is consistent with a first or second degree sprain of the AC (acromioclavicular) joint in the shoulder.

And that is very good news, as far as the prognosis.

“Most of the time when they’re talking about a separated shoulder, they’re talking about the AC joint,” said Dr. Ron Noy, a highly regarded orthopedic surgeon based out of Manhattan who has treated many NHL players with shoulder injuries over the years. “It’s a grade one or two sprain for the most part in professional athletes. You’re just waiting for the inflammation to come down, and it should be fine.”

Most importantly, the injury is not the type that’s considered to typically be chronic or recurring. It also shouldn’t cause Matthews to lose any strength or ability in his dominant hand and arm — as a left shot — beyond the short recovery period.

The fact Matthews has had shoulder injuries twice in back-to-back seasons is likely more an unfortunate circumstance than anything to worry about long term.

“This is purely a traumatic (impact) thing,” Dr. Noy said. “It’s common in hockey. It’s not something that anybody else wouldn’t have gotten an injury on with the exact same mechanism. I don’t think it’s of any concern about his future, like he’s going to be an injury problem (consistently) at all.

“I’d be more concerned if his shoulder dislocated. As a 21-year-old, if you dislocate your shoulder, and you have a labral tear, then more than likely, he would have needed his labrum fixed (surgically to prevent it from becoming a chronic issue) … But this isn’t a genetic thing. It didn’t look like that kind of injury. He just looks like he’s in some pain.”

What’s interesting is Leafs coach Mike Babcock has pointed out twice now that Matthews specifically put in some time in the summer to build up his shoulder strength. It’s clearly an area that’s been identified for him to work on — and an outside trainer explained to me that that’s not uncommon in the NHL, as many players have “uppercross syndrome” due to the fact they’re leaning over their stick and skating so much.

But, given he is only 21 years old, the fact there could be minor strength imbalances in Matthews’ body is not a huge concern. And not a sign of problems to come.
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Post #436 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:20 am

LeafOfBread wrote:https://twitter.com/NickDeSouza_/status/1057685964582199296?s=09

Interesting thread on Goat, historically his metrics were awful but seems to have turned the corner this year.

If you click the timestamp it'll open the whole thread with videos and other numbers.


That is a very interesting point, and Kyle is right that the exact same thing happened in baseball. For a long time defense first, or defense only guys were undervalued because there just wasn't a great way of measuring their impact, and more recently we have seen guys like Jackie Bradley, Nolan Arenado and Manny Machado shoot up WAR leaderboards for their defensive acumen and provide massive value even before their bats developed.
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Post #437 by Curry Rage » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:33 pm

The return of the defensive defenceman is nigh.
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Post #438 by Thomas Malthus » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:53 pm

Witness the rise of Martin Marincin.
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Post #439 by WTF » Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:05 pm

Marty Marincin coughs up the puck in celebration.
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Post #440 by LeafOfBread » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:40 pm

vf wrote:Best PPP article I've ever read.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018 ... ck-ranting

To add to this





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Post #441 by vf » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:25 pm

I don't know how to feel about siding with the squints.
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Post #442 by Curry Rage » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:47 am

If I hear another peep about a deal with Nylander and Pesce [spits] as the primary components I’ll drown a kitten in milk. That’s Stralman for Primeau kinds of bad. I don’t care if we need some help at RD. You don’t trade guys with PPG potential for 2nd and 3rd string defencemen who’ve never shown much offensive upside at any level of the game. I couldn’t care less how many zone exits he racks up. I’m sure I’d love to have him, but that’s still not a good deal. I’d have to see something else of good value coming back before I’d be comfortable with that move.

He doesn’t have a 36 goal season behind him, but I’m sure you all remember what Kessel nabbed as a disgruntled RFA. In that case, the value was at least arguable. Nylander for Pesce is worse than what we got for Kessel the second time around when we wanted to trade him.
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Post #443 by vf » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:18 pm

Remember when we had to eat salary to move Kessel out? Dealing Nylander away for Pesce as the main piece is a terminal offense.
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Post #444 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:02 pm





Bouncing puck center ice lobs have their pros and cons. I'd compare it to a pitcher using a knuckleball. Tough to hit, even when you know it's coming. Occasionally you'll get a meaty one (turnover/icing), and it blows up in your face. Other times you'll catch the dman looking at the ice and make em look silly.
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Post #445 by Zardoz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:29 pm

Pretty sure a few of us defended the stretch pass/lob fest last year when everyone was complaining about too many icings. It's a gamble but with the excess of team speed and skill, its finally becoming obvious how hard it is for teams to defend it. Our team is loaded with puck skilled forwards capable of grabbing stretch passes in stride, it nullifies the neutral zone for the oppositions' defence, meaning, no way to trap.
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Post #446 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:21 pm

vf wrote:Remember when we had to eat salary to move Kessel out? Dealing Nylander away for Pesce as the main piece is a terminal offense.


What a fucking debacle that was.
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Post #447 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:23 pm

Zardoz wrote:Pretty sure a few of us defended the stretch pass/lob fest last year when everyone was complaining about too many icings. It's a gamble but with the excess of team speed and skill, its finally becoming obvious how hard it is for teams to defend it. Our team is loaded with puck skilled forwards capable of grabbing stretch passes in stride, it nullifies the neutral zone for the oppositions' defence, meaning, no way to trap.



We'll see how good it works in the playoffs. Thank someone we don't have Polak serving up lob balls.
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Post #448 by Zardoz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:39 pm

There are very few teams that play the same way as regular season come playoffs, and when they do, they don't win.
Leafs took Boston to 7 games with no Kadri. Add JT to the mix and I'd take their chances against just about anyone in the East.
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Post #449 by Zardoz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:41 pm

Regular season is about stability and systems, playoffs is about micro-managing and matchups. Babs is pretty dang good at both.
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Post #450 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:46 pm

What's the point of stabalizing a futile system?

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