2019-20 Season Whingeing and Moaning Thread

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Post #1 by Thomas Malthus » Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:40 am

A place to call home this season.
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Post #2 by paulster » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:43 am

This should be chickpea’s home page.
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Post #3 by Whit Dickman » Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:19 pm

Can't wait to whinge with you all year, friends
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Post #4 by WTF » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:28 pm

A place for realgudpros and those of us who want to bitch about Babcock overplaying them.
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Post #5 by LeafOfBread » Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:44 pm

paulster wrote:This should be chickpea’s home page.

he already has 4chan for that
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Post #7 by Curry Rage » Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:54 pm

Gonna save my whinging for when one of our goaltenders gets hurt or Hutchison shits the bed and we can’t do anything about it because Wunderkind got hosed by Marner for a couple million a year.

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Post #8 by clawfirst » Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:36 pm

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paulster wrote:This should be chickpea’s home page.

he already has 4chan for that

Guys you all did great not taking his bait in the gdt. Don't turn this rape into a murder suicide.
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Post #9 by Curry Rage » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:43 am

Has anyone heard anything about the Neuvirth thing? He disappeared in a haze of speculation about physical or mental health and then the story just died. What the fuck happened there?
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Post #10 by Whit Dickman » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:18 am

He was released from his PTO after getting injured
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Post #11 by Curry Rage » Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:28 am

I know, I’m curious about why. What was the injury? Recurring problem? Something fresh?
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Post #12 by MonkeyWrench » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:11 pm

Curry Rage wrote:I know, I’m curious about why. What was the injury? Recurring problem? Something fresh?


In an interview during camp he stated that one of the main reasons he signed a pto with the leafs was because he was confident in their medical department/staff. So chances are he's fragile physically and was seeking any form of assistance aswell as a potential job.
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Post #13 by Curry Rage » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:15 pm

He’s had hip problems, I think. Just wondering if this signals he’s done or what?
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Post #14 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:23 am

He could still practice with the team, I think. So if they thought the sports science and medical team could rebuild him then they might have kept him around. Have to think he’s done.

I was upset with Babs last year but the leash people have him in right now is a bit ridiculous. Getting pissed that a rookie isn’t getting 15-16 minutes while playing with Marv? If Babs was playing him more and he was struggling they’d be pisses that Babs was tanking his confidence and failing to ease him into the league.

Do they also forget that he’s trying to see what he has in the Muzzin-Barrie and Rielly-Ceci pairings?

Babs has some faults but it seems like lots of people have made up their minds and want him gone, regardless of what’s actually happening.
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Post #15 by chicpea » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:43 am

Curry Rage wrote:Has anyone heard anything about the Neuvirth thing? He disappeared in a haze of speculation about physical or mental health and then the story just died. What the fuck happened there?


""Neuvy was not feeling up to it"
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Post #16 by Whit Dickman » Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:36 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:He could still practice with the team, I think. So if they thought the sports science and medical team could rebuild him then they might have kept him around. Have to think he’s done.

I was upset with Babs last year but the leash people have him in right now is a bit ridiculous. Getting pissed that a rookie isn’t getting 15-16 minutes while playing with Marv? If Babs was playing him more and he was struggling they’d be pisses that Babs was tanking his confidence and failing to ease him into the league.

Do they also forget that he’s trying to see what he has in the Muzzin-Barrie and Rielly-Ceci pairings?

Babs has some faults but it seems like lots of people have made up their minds and want him gone, regardless of what’s actually happening.


I'm happy with the d-men usage so far. Might need to spread it out a bit more once Dermott gets back. But Marincin shouldn't be seeing more than 10 minutes per night at even strength. And we have guys who can eat minutes in the top 4.
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Post #17 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:49 pm

I concur, EB.

I think the big question I have right now is who's going to take the tough minutes. We don't really know what either of our top pairings can do, so I'm totally fine with Babs giving them big minutes to figure it out. Especially since I don't think there's anything wrong with easing Sandin into things. If he plays well, then when Dermott gets back he'll get more minutes with a more capable partner. If he doesn't play well, he'll get send to the Marlies and play big minutes. Regardless, the decision will be made in less than 15 games which won't make or break his season/development.

Sounds like a win-win.
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Post #18 by Curry Rage » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:22 am

I see there’s talk of moving Kappy off the Tavares line because they aren’t producing 5v5. How about the 10.893 million dollar man starts making players around him better? Think of the scrubs the great ones have made into useful players. We’re talking about a 20G guy with all world speed. Figure it out.
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Post #19 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:38 am

100% agree, Rage.

From what I've seen so far this season, Mitch has been god awful at 5v5. Tavares hasn't really wowed me either. Kapanen is what he is, a complementary piece. But yeah, he's the problem.

Sure, I think Kapanen does a mighty fine Jason Blake impression but if Kapanen is always the player on that line with the puck on his stick entering the zone and looking to make plays there's a problem.
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Post #20 by stoney » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:55 am

Curry Rage wrote:I see there’s talk of moving Kappy off the Tavares line because they aren’t producing 5v5. How about the 10.893 million dollar man starts making players around him better? Think of the scrubs the great ones have made into useful players. We’re talking about a 20G guy with all world speed. Figure it out.


Marner looks useless outside of game 1.

For all the whining, Nylander will be a steal at 7.
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Post #21 by Curry Rage » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:02 pm

I think both Mitch and JT are gripping their mallets a bit tightly.
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Post #22 by clawfirst » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:40 pm

None of these games matter until the all star break anyway as long as we are sitting top 3 in the division.
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Post #23 by paulster » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:32 pm

Holy fuck it's 4 games in and your vaginas are already full of sand.
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Post #24 by vf » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:52 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:100% agree, Rage.

From what I've seen so far this season, Mitch has been god awful at 5v5. Tavares hasn't really wowed me either. Kapanen is what he is, a complementary piece. But yeah, he's the problem.

Sure, I think Kapanen does a mighty fine Jason Blake impression but if Kapanen is always the player on that line with the puck on his stick entering the zone and looking to make plays there's a problem.


10 years on and Kappy still makes less then Blake susf. I agree he is what he is and he shouldn't fucking ever be carrying the puck with those two on his line. That being said I can't help but wonder if they should run the lines how they predicted them to be and plug the extra player into Hyman's spot. Spezza or Mikheyev and leave Kap on a shutdown line where his speed can be so deadly on a counter attack.
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Post #25 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:14 pm

stoney wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:I see there’s talk of moving Kappy off the Tavares line because they aren’t producing 5v5. How about the 10.893 million dollar man starts making players around him better? Think of the scrubs the great ones have made into useful players. We’re talking about a 20G guy with all world speed. Figure it out.


Marner looks useless outside of game 1.

For all the whining, Nylander will be a steal at 7.

I liked the Nylander contract from the beginning. People freaked out because he wasn't good last year but I mean that happens when you miss camp and a quarter of the season. That doesn't erase his abilities and skillset though, which are elite. I think the average fan also thinks there's a huge gap between him and Mitch but I really don't think there is....I feel pretty confident that if Nylander was to get the same usage as Marner and start the season on time after going through a proper camp he'd probably be able to replicate similar production. He's also better defensively outside of the PK where Marner is fantastic, as his positioning / awareness is better and he's stronger on the puck as well. He looks great so far so I hope he keeps it up.
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Post #26 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:25 pm

vf wrote:
Thomas Malthus wrote:100% agree, Rage.

From what I've seen so far this season, Mitch has been god awful at 5v5. Tavares hasn't really wowed me either. Kapanen is what he is, a complementary piece. But yeah, he's the problem.

Sure, I think Kapanen does a mighty fine Jason Blake impression but if Kapanen is always the player on that line with the puck on his stick entering the zone and looking to make plays there's a problem.


10 years on and Kappy still makes less then Blake susf. I agree he is what he is and he shouldn't fucking ever be carrying the puck with those two on his line. That being said I can't help but wonder if they should run the lines how they predicted them to be and plug the extra player into Hyman's spot. Spezza or Mikheyev and leave Kap on a shutdown line where his speed can be so deadly on a counter attack.


The Tavares line was the shutdown line last year and looks like they will be this year as well. :shrug:

I think Kerfoot’s speed and passing will really benefit Kappy when Hyman is back and displaces him. They seem more suited stylistically (north-south) than Marner and Tavares who I see as more east-west players.
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Post #27 by Whit Dickman » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:00 pm

It might be worth switching Moore and Kapanen for a game.

I agree that Kapanen isn't to blame for the lack of production from that line, though
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Post #28 by clawfirst » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:32 am

None of these games matter
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Post #29 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:05 am

clawfirst wrote:None of these games matter


Sure they do. Points are cumulative. To be top three in the Conference at the Allstar Break you need points.
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Post #30 by vf » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:29 am

clawfirst wrote:None of these games matter


The games don't matter, but the points the team can get certainly do. Wins are worth 2 pts all season.
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Post #31 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:15 am

paulster wrote:Holy fuck it's 4 games in and your vaginas are already full of sand.


I’ve got sand in my crevice over the Marner deal. I think it’s fine for him to want to get paid, but now he has to shoulder the burden that goes with it. I thought all along that he should be less aggressive for his own sake as much or more than the team’s. Setting expectations sky high in this market is a dangerous strategy for a young guy.

I’m also sandy that Wunderkind has left us with Hutchison as our one and only backup option when it’s obvious that reducing Freddie’s workload would have a positive effect on our playoff chances. Also another case of something Babcock will be blamed for that properly belongs to Dubas. Just wondering when the sheen will wear off.
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Post #32 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:30 am

If Marner takes a discount you can bet there would be a new backup goalie. Not that this absolves Dubas; he was also party to the Marner deal. But it’s also not entirely at his feet, IMO.
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Post #33 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:13 am

DeSmith would've been a great pickup. I'm shocked he actually passed through waivers
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Post #34 by paulster » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:26 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:If Marner takes a discount you can bet there would be a new backup goalie. Not that this absolves Dubas; he was also party to the Marner deal. But it’s also not entirely at his feet, IMO.


Hutch might turn out okay. He's played 1 game, against the Habs on HNIC of all things which we know is like 50/50 no matter who has the better team. Let's all pull back on the reins a little and not ride the cart off the cliff just yet.
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Post #35 by mooseOAK » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:25 pm

The Leafs continue to play like crap in front of the backup goalie.
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Post #37 by Curry Rage » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:01 pm

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Post #39 by Thomas Malthus » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:32 pm

Seen on PPP comments section, which one of you is this?

I watch the Leafs the same way most people are Catholic: I don’t believe and the futility of the enterprise is self-evident, but it’s part of my culture and I don’t know what else I would do with the free time, and sometimes it’s fun to sing the hymns or whatever. But until Saint Mats comes down and shines the Cup’s light down on us all, I’m not cheerleading this mediocrity.
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Post #40 by clawfirst » Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:43 pm

that is beautiful. Pope don on saturdays.

5 years of internal growth.
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Post #41 by Honus Joglund » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:46 pm

I'm here to party and bullshit:

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Post #42 by Curry Rage » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:02 pm

Sandin sent down. Probably best. He was getting fed his lunch too often. Also protects his ELC status.
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Post #43 by Zardoz » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:37 pm

Reading the twitter takes on Sandin is hilarious. "Protecting him from Babcock!"
And
"I'd give him 20 minutes a night!"
Seem to be the most common takes. But everyone on twitter hates Babs, so it's no surprising.
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Post #44 by Curry Rage » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:01 pm

Zardoz wrote:Reading the twitter takes on Sandin is hilarious. "Protecting him from Babcock!"
And
"I'd give him 20 minutes a night!"
Seem to be the most common takes. But everyone on twitter hates Babs, so it's no surprising.



Great. More minutes so his Pizzas up the middle/60 can do some real damage. He’s pretty good but he’s been getting pushed around a bit and the extra speed is challenging even his high end decision speed at the moment. He can go back to AHL with a clear idea of what to work on for 25 minutes a game.

Funny that it doesn’t occur to these geniuses that their favourite Wunderkind might have something to do with roster decisions.
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Post #45 by stoney » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:36 pm

Curry Rage wrote:
Zardoz wrote:Reading the twitter takes on Sandin is hilarious. "Protecting him from Babcock!"
And
"I'd give him 20 minutes a night!"
Seem to be the most common takes. But everyone on twitter hates Babs, so it's no surprising.



Great. More minutes so his Pizzas up the middle/60 can do some real damage. He’s pretty good but he’s been getting pushed around a bit and the extra speed is challenging even his high end decision speed at the moment. He can go back to AHL with a clear idea of what to work on for 25 minutes a game.

Funny that it doesn’t occur to these geniuses that their favourite Wunderkind might have something to do with roster decisions.


I think it was a perfect taste of NHL and now he can take care of business in the AHL. He has experienced the speed, the size and didn't really get burned.
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Post #46 by LeafOfBread » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:49 pm

I have no issue with him going down but I do wonder why they didn't let him play out the next 3 games, cause I believe Dermott can't come back until 10 games have been played due to LTIR? Meaning they're going to roll Marincin-Holl for the next 4 games..
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Post #47 by WTF » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:51 pm

If we take management and coaching at their word, it's about Sandin's development and giving him a chance to play in all situations rather than just some 5 on 5 time every night. I'm okay with that. He's got a taste to whet his appetite but keep him hungry for more.
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Post #48 by Curry Rage » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:31 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:I have no issue with him going down but I do wonder why they didn't let him play out the next 3 games, cause I believe Dermott can't come back until 10 games have been played due to LTIR? Meaning they're going to roll Marincin-Holl for the next 4 games..

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Re: 2019-20 Season Whingeing and Moaning Thread

Post #49 by Whit Dickman » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:47 pm

I'm fine with the Sandin demotion


wiat sorry is this the whingeing thread



I'm not fine with the Sandin demotion
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Re: 2019-20 Season Whingeing and Moaning Thread

Post #50 by WTF » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:56 pm

Oh shit. eb is right about this thread. This is an outrage!

Fire Babcock into the sun! He just wanted another realgudpro in the lineup. Fuck that.

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