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Post #7101 by Philthy Thrillz » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:24 pm

Thats why i was thinking Chabot, he has a pretty good skill set. Do they have any other D they'd want thats realistic? Don't think Cody cuts it.
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Post #7102 by MP » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:47 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Thats why i was thinking Chabot, he has a pretty good skill set. Do they have any other D they'd want thats realistic? Don't think Cody cuts it.

Apparently, the ask is Ceci+top prospect(white)+1st. To which Dorion has said no.
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Post #7103 by vf » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:46 am

Pretty shitty news about Brian Boyle. http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/2075 ... d-leukemia
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Post #7104 by vonbonds » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:11 am

Among the Devils broads 4chan crew we have a soon to be doctor. He said Boyle caught it really early, is in peak physical condition which puts his odds of 5 year survival at 90% or some shit to that end. Basically he has a cancer that rarely afflicts young people and due to him being an athlete and catching it typically years before this type of cancer is discovered on oneself he should be in really good shape with concerns to his life.
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Post #7105 by vf » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:00 am

Yeah, I had read the same thing, was caught through standard blood testing so caught it years earlier and controllable with medication. Still shitty news, even if the prognosis is pretty good.
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Post #7106 by Curry Rage » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:25 pm

Reading that Cowan has been released from his PTO with the Avs after talking shit about the Leafs. Think I'll just go reminisce about the time SNES fans were convinced that Murray did the Jedi mind trick on Bourke so he would take Kadri and leave him Cowan. Best of times.
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Post #7107 by stoney » Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:24 pm

Curry Rage wrote:Reading that Cowan has been released from his PTO with the Avs after talking shit about the Leafs. Think I'll just go reminisce about the time SNES fans were convinced that Murray did the Jedi mind trick on Bourke so he would take Kadri and leave him Cowan. Best of times.


Nothing like getting dropped from the last place team for attitude issues
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Post #7108 by LeafOfBread » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:08 pm

Curry Rage wrote:Reading that Cowan has been released from his PTO with the Avs after talking shit about the Leafs. Think I'll just go reminisce about the time SNES fans were convinced that Murray did the Jedi mind trick on Bourke so he would take Kadri and leave him Cowan. Best of times.

Lol yeah he was hot garbage with the Avs apparently. Off to Europe he goes.
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Post #7109 by Curry Rage » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:56 am

stoney wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:Reading that Cowan has been released from his PTO with the Avs after talking shit about the Leafs. Think I'll just go reminisce about the time SNES fans were convinced that Murray did the Jedi mind trick on Bourke so he would take Kadri and leave him Cowan. Best of times.


Nothing like getting dropped from the last place team for attitude issues


Is that what it was? I assumed it was because he can't fucking skate.
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Post #7110 by stoney » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:23 am

Curry Rage wrote:
stoney wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:Reading that Cowan has been released from his PTO with the Avs after talking shit about the Leafs. Think I'll just go reminisce about the time SNES fans were convinced that Murray did the Jedi mind trick on Bourke so he would take Kadri and leave him Cowan. Best of times.


Nothing like getting dropped from the last place team for attitude issues


Is that what it was? I assumed it was because he can't fucking skate.


I'm totally assuming that. It is more likely that he can't keep up.
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Post #7111 by MP » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:49 am

He's also a moron, and he has/had a man bun.
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Post #7112 by Curry Rage » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:51 pm

I like to consider myself a pretty liberal-minded guy about fashion, but that shit would cross my Lou line.
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Post #7113 by Whit Dickman » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:38 pm

What in the fresh fuck are the sabres thinking giving Eichel all that money already. God damn
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Post #7114 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:50 pm

Almost a ppg as a 19 year old, he's probably worth it.
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Post #7115 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:51 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:What in the fresh fuck are the sabres thinking giving Eichel all that money already. God damn

Meh, he's worth it to be honest. Barring injuries, he will probably be PPG this year and score 40 or be close to it at least. They're taking a risk on projecting the future but unlike Draisaitl who doesn't even play C and who's numbers are heavily impacted by playing with McDavid, Eichel drives offense on his own and will be worth 10 and change by the end of the season. Eichel is also viewed talent wise similar to Matthews (though we all know Auston is better :danson: ) and a tier under McDavid.
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Post #7116 by Whit Dickman » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:02 pm

$80 million after a sample size of 60ish games at PPG? 113 points in the NHL and he gets $80 friggen million

It's like no one even remembers Rick DiPietro.
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Post #7117 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:35 pm

There is risk in waiting too. If you believe in the player I think it makes sense to lock them up asap.
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Post #7118 by clawfirst » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:20 am

It's not 2005 anymore eb
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Post #7119 by clawfirst » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:22 am

Top players should make 14-20 under this cba structure.
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Post #7120 by Craig » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:06 am

You should take the market into account though. I'm hard pressed to see why Eichel should get 1.5 more than Drai. they're paying him like this year is over and he finished top 5 in scoring.
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Post #7121 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:06 am

We're near the heady spending of the early oughties Rangers.
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Post #7122 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:16 am

Just think: Chris Fucking Gratton got 10 million.
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Post #7123 by stoney » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:37 am

Curry Rage wrote:Just think: Chris Fucking Gratton got 10 million.


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Post #7124 by Whit Dickman » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:36 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:There is risk in waiting too. If you believe in the player I think it makes sense to lock them up asap.


I don't see it. Is the expectation that he'll reach McDavid's level?

To me, there's more risk in giving a kid his big lifetime contract before he's accomplished anything. Particularly little whiny shitheads like Eichel. They're basically saying "here, the future of this franchise is in your hands". And they're doing it early to, at best, save $2 million a year (but more likely $1 million... And most likely neither).

I hope he has a horrible season and the league pays heed.
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Post #7125 by Whit Dickman » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:37 am

Craig wrote:You should take the market into account though. I'm hard pressed to see why Eichel should get 1.5 more than Drai. they're paying him like this year is over and he finished top 5 in scoring.

Exactly
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Post #7126 by Whit Dickman » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:41 am

Curry Rage wrote:Just think: Chris Fucking Gratton got 10 million.

For just the one season. After a single season with ~60 points.

Eichel hasn't even reached 60 points yet.

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Post #7127 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:59 am

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Post #7128 by vf » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:01 pm

Don't forget Bobby Holik. 5years 45M. Bought out after year 2.
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Post #7129 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:03 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:There is risk in waiting too. If you believe in the player I think it makes sense to lock them up asap.


I don't see it. Is the expectation that he'll reach McDavid's level?

To me, there's more risk in giving a kid his big lifetime contract before he's accomplished anything. Particularly little whiny shitheads like Eichel. They're basically saying "here, the future of this franchise is in your hands". And they're doing it early to, at best, save $2 million a year (but more likely $1 million... And most likely neither).

I hope he has a horrible season and the league pays heed.


And what if Eichel has a great season and picks up right where he left off? Then next year people will bitch saying the Sabres should've signed him earlier before having a huge season and having to fork out possibly 11M+ AAV.

Bridge deals for elite players are also retarded and rarely ever work out, so that's not really a good option either.

Would you sign Matthews to the same deal right now? I know I would. I know we love to shit on Eichel in Leaf land but all things considered he is an elite talent who is in a similar tier to Matthews and a tier below McDavid, and ultimately a franchise player. In terms of compete, Eichel is also fiercely competitive and works hard off the ice so I don't see him just fucking the dog after getting a huge deal either.

Craig wrote:You should take the market into account though. I'm hard pressed to see why Eichel should get 1.5 more than Drai. they're paying him like this year is over and he finished top 5 in scoring.


Draisaitl has yet to prove that he can successfully centre a line over a full season and drive offense on his own. He exclusively played wing with McDavid last year. Meanwhile Eichel is already a good C and creates offense on his own.
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Post #7130 by Craig » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:13 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:Draisaitl has yet to prove that he can successfully centre a line over a full season and drive offense on his own.


Neither has Eichel.
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Post #7131 by Dynrehab » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:16 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:For just the one season. After a single season with ~60 points.

Eichel hasn't even reached 60 points yet.

:crossarms:


The league has changed and guys are getting their big deals as soon as possible. It’s all dumb to me that the 20 year olds are getting the huge contracts. I would have hoped the GM’s would have made a 4 tier system with ELC, Bridge deals, long term deals and short term vets. But the top young guys are getting paid quicker, and it’s even worse when they get it after 1 decent deal.

But that is what was produced. With cost certainty, it doesn’t much matter. I’d wish the Leafs could get the big 3 to sign bridge deals and open a short term window, but the longer deal will probably look better in the future, once those bridge deals would have been over. In 8 years, Mathews contract will likely be well down the list of top contracts, but he’ll be top player.
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Post #7132 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:24 pm

Craig wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:Draisaitl has yet to prove that he can successfully centre a line over a full season and drive offense on his own.


Neither has Eichel.


He's played 142 games at C, finishing 1st in goals and 2nd in points in his rookie season, then followed that up with a PPG sophomore season through 61 games where he still led the Sabres in scoring and finished 2nd in goals.
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Post #7133 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:25 pm

Dynrehab wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:For just the one season. After a single season with ~60 points.

Eichel hasn't even reached 60 points yet.

:crossarms:


The league has changed and guys are getting their big deals as soon as possible. It’s all dumb to me that the 20 year olds are getting the huge contracts. I would have hoped the GM’s would have made a 4 tier system with ELC, Bridge deals, long term deals and short term vets. But the top young guys are getting paid quicker, and it’s even worse when they get it after 1 decent deal.

But that is what was produced. With cost certainty, it doesn’t much matter. I’d wish the Leafs could get the big 3 to sign bridge deals and open a short term window, but the longer deal will probably look better in the future, once those bridge deals would have been over. In 8 years, Mathews contract will likely be well down the list of top contracts, but he’ll be top player.


In the cap world bridge deals are just not realistic for elite talent anymore. It really shortens the window to be competitive and once that bridge deal is up the cap structure of the team gets completely fucked.

Tampa pretty much needs to win before Kucherov's deal is over.
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Post #7134 by Craig » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:26 pm

Another way of looking at that is he's never successfully centered a line over a full season in which he has driven the offense on his own.
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Post #7135 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:31 pm

Craig wrote:Another way of looking at that is he's never successfully centered a line over a full season in which he has driven the offense on his own.


Repeatedly saying it doesn't make it true. He's outscored all of his linemates by a fair margin since entering the league and as a rookie where he played 81 games his most common linemates were Reinhart, Kane, Girgensons and Gionta.
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Post #7136 by Craig » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:08 pm

Yeah, but have you considered that he's never successfully centered a line over a full season in which he has driven the offense on his own?
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Post #7137 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:20 pm

Craig wrote:Yeah, but have you considered that he's never successfully centered a line over a full season in which he has driven the offense on his own?

no but i've considered that you're probably retarded
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Post #7138 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:21 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:
Dynrehab wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:For just the one season. After a single season with ~60 points.

Eichel hasn't even reached 60 points yet.

:crossarms:


The league has changed and guys are getting their big deals as soon as possible. It’s all dumb to me that the 20 year olds are getting the huge contracts. I would have hoped the GM’s would have made a 4 tier system with ELC, Bridge deals, long term deals and short term vets. But the top young guys are getting paid quicker, and it’s even worse when they get it after 1 decent deal.

But that is what was produced. With cost certainty, it doesn’t much matter. I’d wish the Leafs could get the big 3 to sign bridge deals and open a short term window, but the longer deal will probably look better in the future, once those bridge deals would have been over. In 8 years, Mathews contract will likely be well down the list of top contracts, but he’ll be top player.


In the cap world bridge deals are just not realistic for elite talent anymore. It really shortens the window to be competitive and once that bridge deal is up the cap structure of the team gets completely fucked.

Tampa pretty much needs to win before Kucherov's deal is over.


This is essentially it, and while I understand EB and Idiot's point the reality is that most players tend to peak in their early to mid twenties so if you are going to overpay it makes sense to do it when they are the most productive.
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Post #7139 by Whit Dickman » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:58 pm

I don't think you're appreciating the risk involved. Many players who look really promising as youngsters don't pan out long term. Phaneuf was talked about in conversations with Ovechkin and Crosby. Lecavalier, Spezza, Richards (both of them), Healtley, Yashin, Ricky goshdarn DiPietro.

Someone is going to get burned on this. I hope it isn't us.
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Post #7140 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:50 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:I don't think you're appreciating the risk involved. Many players who look really promising as youngsters don't pan out long term. Phaneuf was talked about in conversations with Ovechkin and Crosby. Lecavalier, Spezza, Richards (both of them), Healtley, Yashin, Ricky goshdarn DiPietro.

Someone is going to get burned on this. I hope it isn't us.

Those are all pretty bad examples because almost all of them signed their monster deals when they were already in the latter half of their prime, and the cap hit became a problem once they had all declined. Eichel doesn't even turn 21 for another 3 weeks.
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Post #7141 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:08 pm

Almost all of those guys, with the obvious exception of Dipietro and Mike Richards, would have been pretty decent value at 10M/8 years at age 21.
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Post #7142 by Whit Dickman » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:46 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Almost all of those guys, with the obvious exception of Dipietro and Mike Richards, would have been pretty decent value at 10M/8 years at age 21.


What about at age 26, 27, 28, 29?

Eichel will be finishing that contract 13 seasons after his draft.

Dion dropped off 6 seasons after his draft.

Lecavalier stopped being PPG 11 seasons after his draft. Spezza was 8. Brad Richards was around 9. Mike Richards was 7. Heatley was 11. Yashin was 11.


This, of course, is assuming Eichel can achieve the sort of success that these players did in the first place.


It's a risky move.
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Post #7143 by paulster » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:56 pm

Buffalo and Edmonton have to compete with cities that players’ wives would actually want to live in. Makes sense to lock the youngsters up early.

Shanorello aren’t stupid. They’ll make the right moves.
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Post #7144 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:07 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Almost all of those guys, with the obvious exception of Dipietro and Mike Richards, would have been pretty decent value at 10M/8 years at age 21.


What about at age 26, 27, 28, 29?

Eichel will be finishing that contract 13 seasons after his draft.

Dion dropped off 6 seasons after his draft.

Lecavalier stopped being PPG 11 seasons after his draft. Spezza was 8. Brad Richards was around 9. Mike Richards was 7. Heatley was 11. Yashin was 11.


This, of course, is assuming Eichel can achieve the sort of success that these players did in the first place.


It's a risky move.


By the time the contract has expired the value of a PPG player will have likely increased as well. With these types of deals you are usually hoping that the first 5-6 years of the deal accrue enough surplus value to break even or better by the time the deal has expired.
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Post #7145 by clawfirst » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:09 pm

The real dollar value isnt a thing. % of team cap is what matters.

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Re: The Battle for the Fenwick Cup - Out of Town GDT and Discussion

Post #7146 by MP » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:46 pm

clawfirst wrote:The real dollar value isnt a thing. % of team cap is what matters.

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Yep, I wish the would start making contracts based on % of cap instead of a fixed doller amount.
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Re: The Battle for the Fenwick Cup - Out of Town GDT and Discussion

Post #7147 by clawfirst » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:49 pm

Figures a budget team fan would chime in....lololool..

How many canadian tire bucks does karlsson get for a boneass
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Re: The Battle for the Fenwick Cup - Out of Town GDT and Discussion

Post #7148 by Dynrehab » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:26 am

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Almost all of those guys, with the obvious exception of Dipietro and Mike Richards, would have been pretty decent value at 10M/8 years at age 21.


What about at age 26, 27, 28, 29?

Eichel will be finishing that contract 13 seasons after his draft.

Dion dropped off 6 seasons after his draft.

Lecavalier stopped being PPG 11 seasons after his draft. Spezza was 8. Brad Richards was around 9. Mike Richards was 7. Heatley was 11. Yashin was 11.


This, of course, is assuming Eichel can achieve the sort of success that these players did in the first place.


It's a risky move.


Every guaranteed contract holds risk. I never liked deals longer than 5 years.
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Re: The Battle for the Fenwick Cup - Out of Town GDT and Discussion

Post #7149 by Honus Joglund » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:37 pm

Chicago Hawks drop a ten-spot on Pittsburgh Pengs. Every Pengs skater was a minus.
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Re: The Battle for the Fenwick Cup - Out of Town GDT and Discussion

Post #7150 by Dynrehab » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:49 am

Honus Joglund wrote:Chicago Hawks drop a ten-spot on Pittsburgh Pengs. Every Pengs skater was a minus.


Scored 10 goals but were 0-6 on the power play.

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