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Post #19101 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:01 am

Can we sign Donaldson to a lifetime contract?
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Post #19102 by Vector » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:53 pm

Estrada has been signed to a one-year extension.
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Post #19103 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:42 am

Works for me.
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Post #19104 by vf » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:47 am

1 year - 13M. Not bad at all.
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Post #19105 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:02 pm

That June-July was the first speed bump he had as a Jay. People talk about small sample sizes, well that was that. I think the pitcher who has a 3.75 ERA over the last 10 starts is the pitcher he is. If he can give us 200 innings next year with that ERA, it's a steal.
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Post #19106 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:17 pm

J.D. Martinez please!
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Post #19107 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:20 pm

We won't be able to afford him. I really think they need to spread the money to get speed on the basepaths and some batting average. I still think they take a charge at Lorenzo Cain.
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Post #19108 by Vector » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:48 pm

Against all odds, I want Otani. Also, jettison Morales into space.
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Post #19109 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:57 pm

I think we all would like Otani, but we all know it's NY/LA/BOS or nothing.
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Post #19110 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:40 pm

Carlos, no!
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Post #19111 by Vector » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:59 pm

I don't think NY or Bos are going to be an option. Apparently the Jays are willing to let him DH when he's not pitching. The biggest thing for him is location (he trains with Kawasaki) and being a two-way player. I think LA is the safest pick, though.
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Post #19112 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:24 pm

If we got him, I'd be so pumped. I think he's awesome.
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Post #19113 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:35 pm

Vector wrote:I don't think NY or Bos are going to be an option. Apparently the Jays are willing to let him DH when he's not pitching. The biggest thing for him is location (he trains with Kawasaki) and being a two-way player. I think LA is the safest pick, though.


The Jays don't have the international spending money to sign him, which is why they are going all in next year on that Dominican SS Orelvis Martinez (I think is his name). The Dodgers don't have the money either, if I'm not mistaken they are capped at like $500k because of previous international signings last window. It will basically be between: NY, HOU, TEX and BOS.
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Post #19114 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:36 pm

Lord Buckethead wrote:We won't be able to afford him. I really think they need to spread the money to get speed on the basepaths and some batting average. I still think they take a charge at Lorenzo Cain.


I don't think the money will be outrageous because he doesn't provide much defensive or base running value.
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Post #19115 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:37 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Vector wrote:I don't think NY or Bos are going to be an option. Apparently the Jays are willing to let him DH when he's not pitching. The biggest thing for him is location (he trains with Kawasaki) and being a two-way player. I think LA is the safest pick, though.


The Jays don't have the international spending money to sign him, which is why they are going all in next year on that Dominican SS Orelvis Martinez (I think is his name). The Dodgers don't have the money either, it will basically be between: NY, HOU, TEX and BOS.


You can trade for that though.
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Post #19116 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:38 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Lord Buckethead wrote:We won't be able to afford him. I really think they need to spread the money to get speed on the basepaths and some batting average. I still think they take a charge at Lorenzo Cain.


I don't think the money will be outrageous because he doesn't provide much defensive or base running value.


Like last year's FA crop. But JD is younger than those guys I think.
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Post #19117 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:38 pm

Lord Buckethead wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Vector wrote:I don't think NY or Bos are going to be an option. Apparently the Jays are willing to let him DH when he's not pitching. The biggest thing for him is location (he trains with Kawasaki) and being a two-way player. I think LA is the safest pick, though.


The Jays don't have the international spending money to sign him, which is why they are going all in next year on that Dominican SS Orelvis Martinez (I think is his name). The Dodgers don't have the money either, it will basically be between: NY, HOU, TEX and BOS.


You can trade for that though.


But then they would be precluded from signing Orelvis next summer, and by all accounts that is a done deal. Orelvis is the top international prospect in next years pool for anyone wondering.
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Post #19118 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:40 pm

Lord Buckethead wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Lord Buckethead wrote:We won't be able to afford him. I really think they need to spread the money to get speed on the basepaths and some batting average. I still think they take a charge at Lorenzo Cain.


I don't think the money will be outrageous because he doesn't provide much defensive or base running value.


Like last year's FA crop. But JD is younger than those guys I think.


He is younger (30) and that counts for something, but the overall impact is about the same as a guy like EE (3-4 WAR). I think he gets around 20M annually on a 4-5 year deal.
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Post #19119 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:42 pm

Will be interesting to see.
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Post #19120 by vf » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:59 am

Lord Buckethead wrote:We won't be able to afford him. I really think they need to spread the money to get speed on the basepaths and some batting average. I still think they take a charge at Lorenzo Cain.


Meh, Pillar is still cheap in CF and shifting Cain to RF hurts his value. I'm with AZ on Martinez. If they move on from Morales it makes things a lot easier, but, I'd like to see Teoscar Hernandez as the 4th OF.

The bullpen should be pretty cheap next season with:

Osuna
Tepera
Ramirez
Barnes
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Mayza
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Post #19121 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:35 am

I'm not sure they can move Morales.
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Post #19122 by vf » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:51 am

I'm sure they can. Doubtful for anything if not an outright loss though.
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Post #19123 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:59 am

I'd like to see them move on from him. It's too bad there's no guys out there that are athletic enough for me to want. Speed, average type players are so hard to come by.
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Post #19124 by Vector » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:35 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Vector wrote:I don't think NY or Bos are going to be an option. Apparently the Jays are willing to let him DH when he's not pitching. The biggest thing for him is location (he trains with Kawasaki) and being a two-way player. I think LA is the safest pick, though.


The Jays don't have the international spending money to sign him, which is why they are going all in next year on that Dominican SS Orelvis Martinez (I think is his name). The Dodgers don't have the money either, if I'm not mistaken they are capped at like $500k because of previous international signings last window. It will basically be between: NY, HOU, TEX and BOS.


International spending money is irrelevant since he's restricted to only a few million anyway. He can be signed to a massive extension after his first season, however. It's all about playing time and location for Otani as the money will come.
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Post #19125 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:19 pm

^

A theory floated is that the team that lands Otani could circumvent the financial limitations in place by assuring the player that they won’t tender him a contract after the first or second season, allowing Otani to become a free agent -- with a prenegotiated deal to follow with the team that cut him free. But sources indicate that Major League Baseball would view that as an obvious attempt to effectively break the rules and would come down hard on Otani’s MLB team. “Because there’s no reasonable logic to failing to tender a contract to a young star player other than to get around the rules,” said one official.
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Post #19126 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:21 pm

The difference between a max 4M bonus and 550k is pretty significant, especially for a pitcher who could blow out his arm on any given day.
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Post #19127 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:54 pm

Then he quits pitching and becomes Hank Aaron.

It's all good. He's as good as ours.
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Post #19128 by Vector » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:37 pm

Who said they'd fail to tend him? He can be offered an extension after his first season.
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Vector wrote:Who said they'd fail to tend him? He can be offered an extension after his first season.


How?
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Post #19130 by vf » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:40 pm

They can't not offer him a contract, but, they could pay him more then league min.
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Post #19131 by Vector » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:16 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Vector wrote:Who said they'd fail to tend him? He can be offered an extension after his first season.


How?


Players can be offered a contract extension at any time. If there's a wink-wink agreement during negotiations that he'll be offered a massive contract after his first season and it's officially recognized as a large because they are also buying out UFA years then the league would have little room to oppose it.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-to-s ... hei-otani/
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Post #19132 by LeafOfBread » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:30 pm

Goins just pulled the hidden ball trick on Frazier. Fucking awesome, Yanks fans are livid and saying it's bush league, as if the Jays should just hand them the W.
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Post #19133 by Vector » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:33 pm

Baseball players are the winiest fucks.
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Post #19134 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:33 pm

I was there. As cool as it was, it still doesn't top the fact that he hit a grand slam.
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Post #19135 by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:45 pm

Teoscar "Babe Ruth" Hernandez
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Post #19136 by stoney » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:28 pm

I guess Bautista isn't coming back based on that game
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Post #19137 by vf » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:33 pm

I'd guess he's not coming back based off this season. Sadly.
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Post #19138 by Vector » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:37 pm

I can't imagine a situation where everyone would be happy if he was back.
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Post #19139 by Craig » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:27 pm

Batting coach?
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Post #19140 by vf » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:54 pm

Bautista wouldn't be happy in that situation. He doesn't strike me as a lifer, no coaching, scouting, front office or broadcasting in his future imo.
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Post #19142 by AGENT ZERO » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:10 pm

Well deserved, the man is a legend.
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Post #19143 by MonkeyWrench » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:06 pm

I choked up a bit watching some of those moments. Hell of a player for the jays.
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Post #19144 by paulster » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:45 am

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Post #19145 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:17 pm

vf wrote:Bautista wouldn't be happy in that situation. He doesn't strike me as a lifer, no coaching, scouting, front office or broadcasting in his future imo.


I think he's more likely to head off into business ventures. He's a business man.
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Post #19146 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:27 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Lord Buckethead wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
The Jays don't have the international spending money to sign him, which is why they are going all in next year on that Dominican SS Orelvis Martinez (I think is his name). The Dodgers don't have the money either, it will basically be between: NY, HOU, TEX and BOS.


You can trade for that though.


But then they would be precluded from signing Orelvis next summer, and by all accounts that is a done deal. Orelvis is the top international prospect in next years pool for anyone wondering.


What is a done deal?
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Post #19147 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:07 pm

Teoscar is looking damn good at the plate. I respect the hell out of your accomplishments Jose, but your replacement is running hot.
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Post #19148 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:09 pm

Man, Marco hurt me today with his start. I'm in my fantasy baseball finals.
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Post #19149 by Vector » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:22 pm

The big worry about Teoscar is his insane strikeout and walk rates. He's been pretty solid in the minors the previous two seasons. He's hot crazy power with very good speed so if he can learn to lay off terrible pitches he'll be an absolute force. Hopefully he's a quicker learner than Smoak.
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Post #19150 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:43 am

Why not deal Donaldson if the Jays can get a blue chip return? He'll be old by the time Guerrero and Bichette arrive.

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