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Post #19251 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:54 am

Fuck the Jays, I hate Shatkins so much.

Also, I'm mad at Roy for flying the way he was flying. There's damning video out there of him hot dogging it in that shitty fucking plane. Why Roy, why did you do that????

In other news, all we have for Otani is 50,000 dollars available to spend. I assume we're out.
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Post #19252 by Vector » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:59 pm

Where is that from?
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Post #19253 by Vector » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:00 pm

The initial dollar value won't matter for Otani. It's opportunity, team history, location, ability to extend him quickly, and endorsement opportunities.
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Post #19254 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:31 pm

Vector wrote:Where is that from?


Other clubs have even less available: Detroit ($159,500), the Los Angeles Angels ($150,000), the New York Mets ($105,000), Toronto ($50,000), and Cleveland and Colorado ($10,000 apiece).

http://www.s portsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/rangers-yankees-twins-can-pay-otani/

Although, another article sportsnet published today said that they have about 1M left. Anyway, I don't think the Jays have much to offer him. I think NY or SEA will be the two finalists for him.
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Post #19255 by Vector » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:07 am

I meant the report about the Jays and Halladay.

My guess is it's going to be one of the mega teams or Seattle. Boston could even be involved considering their need for pitching and home runs. Would love for the Jays to find a way to convince the kid to come over, though.
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Post #19256 by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:15 am

Vector wrote:I meant the report about the Jays and Halladay.

My guess is it's going to be one of the mega teams or Seattle. Boston could even be involved considering their need for pitching and home runs. Would love for the Jays to find a way to convince the kid to come over, though.


Oh, Jays and Halladay is from Davidi.
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Post #19257 by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:45 pm

Antho is the Braves GM.
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Post #19258 by stoney » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:05 am

Lord Buckethead wrote:Antho is the Braves GM.


Hopefully he has learned how to draft position players.
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Post #19259 by Transplanted Caper » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:09 am

Best of luck to him. AA stepped on a few rakes, here, but 2015 and 2016 (even though he was gone for the latter) were incredible runs thanks to him.
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Post #19260 by stoney » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:33 pm

Transplanted Caper wrote:Best of luck to him. AA stepped on a few rakes, here, but 2015 and 2016 (even though he was gone for the latter) were incredible runs thanks to him.


I would still like to know what the source of motivation was for the sheer volume of prospects going out. AA sure made it sound like he wanted his team fueled by the minors.

Was he protecting his job? Was Rogers asking for wins now?
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Post #19261 by Vector » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:24 pm

stoney wrote:
Transplanted Caper wrote:Best of luck to him. AA stepped on a few rakes, here, but 2015 and 2016 (even though he was gone for the latter) were incredible runs thanks to him.


I would still like to know what the source of motivation was for the sheer volume of prospects going out. AA sure made it sound like he wanted his team fueled by the minors.

Was he protecting his job? Was Rogers asking for wins now?


I think AA talked big about having prospects but really saw them as currency (as any good GM should). Part of it was having a rare core of older late developing stars (Bautista and Edwin). You could be on the treadmill of mediocrity or try to build around them. The first real attempt backfired (Marlins and Dickey trade) but figured it out by adding an actual stars in Martin and JD.

Beane and Dombrowski described AA as persistent and extremely enthusiastic when trading. Apparently he hounded them for a long time on JD and Price. He had a good scouting department and development system and trusted that whoever he lost in a trade would be replenished int he next draft. Considering most prospects bust, AA made the logical choice of going with what he had.

The Dickey trade was bad then and bad now, though.
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Post #19262 by paulster » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:38 pm

He’s also the last GM that seemed to have charisma and the ability to convince players to come to Toronto.
Pretty sure all the players were said to love the guy. Haven’t heard anyone say that about Shatkins, surprise surprise.
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Post #19263 by stoney » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:32 pm

Vector wrote:
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Transplanted Caper wrote:Best of luck to him. AA stepped on a few rakes, here, but 2015 and 2016 (even though he was gone for the latter) were incredible runs thanks to him.


I would still like to know what the source of motivation was for the sheer volume of prospects going out. AA sure made it sound like he wanted his team fueled by the minors.

Was he protecting his job? Was Rogers asking for wins now?


I think AA talked big about having prospects but really saw them as currency (as any good GM should). Part of it was having a rare core of older late developing stars (Bautista and Edwin). You could be on the treadmill of mediocrity or try to build around them. The first real attempt backfired (Marlins and Dickey trade) but figured it out by adding an actual stars in Martin and JD.

Beane and Dombrowski described AA as persistent and extremely enthusiastic when trading. Apparently he hounded them for a long time on JD and Price. He had a good scouting department and development system and trusted that whoever he lost in a trade would be replenished int he next draft. Considering most prospects bust, AA made the logical choice of going with what he had.

The Dickey trade was bad then and bad now, though.


The Marlins trade was bad. The Tulo trade will be bad.

At least Dickey came relatively as advertised. High price to pay, but he did throw a tonne of innings.
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Post #19264 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:40 pm

I will never hate on the Tulowitzki trade because it legitimately made us the best team in baseball for one year, and a contender for two. We gave up a pretty terrible contract in return too, so it's not like we got crushed on surplus value either. It's just too bad that Tulo declined as rapidly and as quickly as he did.
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Post #19265 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:44 pm

The R.A. Dickey trade was fucking awful though, and not in hindsight either.
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Post #19266 by Craig » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:08 pm

The Marlins trade, at the time, was fine. At the time, Reyes was an all-star shortstop, Josh Johnson was a borderline ace and Buehrle was a solid mid-rotation innings eater. Only Buehrle worked out, but that's hindsight.

The Dickey one was awful. I thought they gave up too much.
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Post #19267 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:11 pm



Please God.
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Post #19268 by paulster » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:46 pm

Posturing to the fans while they don’t actually even plan on doing what’s necessary to land him.
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Post #19269 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:46 pm

Should sign kawasaki to a minor league deal as a rep.
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Post #19270 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:24 pm

paulster wrote:Posturing to the fans while they don’t actually even plan on doing what’s necessary to land him.


This is more likely. Their response to the passing of Doc was such a slap in the face.
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Post #19271 by vf » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:49 am

MonkeyWrench wrote:Should sign kawasaki to a minor league deal as a rep.


Expected this to come from Vector lol
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Post #19272 by vf » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:43 pm

paulster wrote:Posturing to the fans while they don’t actually even plan on doing what’s necessary to land him.


I'll have to call horseshit on this. He'll never be cheaper then he will be during this posting unless he totally flames out.
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Post #19273 by paulster » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:02 pm

vf wrote:
paulster wrote:Posturing to the fans while they don’t actually even plan on doing what’s necessary to land him.


I'll have to call horseshit on this. He'll never be cheaper then he will be during this posting unless he totally flames out.


Okay. If he signs here I’ll buy you a jersey.
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Post #19274 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:18 pm

paulster wrote:
vf wrote:
paulster wrote:Posturing to the fans while they don’t actually even plan on doing what’s necessary to land him.


I'll have to call horseshit on this. He'll never be cheaper then he will be during this posting unless he totally flames out.


Okay. If he signs here I’ll buy you a jersey.


An Otani jersey, or like, a Tomo Ohka jersey?
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Post #19275 by Vector » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:03 pm

vf wrote:
MonkeyWrench wrote:Should sign kawasaki to a minor league deal as a rep.


Expected this to come from Vector lol


Kawasaki should be brought in as his translator. I will cry with happiness.
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Post #19276 by paulster » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:16 am

Lord Buckethead wrote:
paulster wrote:
vf wrote:
I'll have to call horseshit on this. He'll never be cheaper then he will be during this posting unless he totally flames out.


Okay. If he signs here I’ll buy you a jersey.


An Otani jersey, or like, a Tomo Ohka jersey?


A paulster jersey. #69
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Post #19277 by vf » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:13 am

paulster wrote:
vf wrote:
paulster wrote:Posturing to the fans while they don’t actually even plan on doing what’s necessary to land him.


I'll have to call horseshit on this. He'll never be cheaper then he will be during this posting unless he totally flames out.


Okay. If he signs here I’ll buy you a jersey.


If you insist. This isn't a normal posting or IFA signing. He's not eligible to get a Tanaka or Darvish deal. Jays signed Gourriel to a 22M contract last year, Otani won't be a lot more expensive, he's giving up a lot of money to move to the MLB now. A lot of money. This isn't a money deal for him and the Jays can offer a lot everywhere else.
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Post #19278 by vf » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:13 am

Vector wrote:
vf wrote:
MonkeyWrench wrote:Should sign kawasaki to a minor league deal as a rep.


Expected this to come from Vector lol


Kawasaki should be brought in as his translator. I will cry with happiness.


As long as he's not on the 40-man. :danson:
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Post #19279 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:05 pm

Are people forgetting that Shatkins built close to 70% of the Indians roster that finished 2nd in MLB this season?
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Post #19280 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:18 pm

And bowed out in the first round. Fuck them hard.

Anyway, Jays have been in contact with Lorenzo Lamas Cain.
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Post #19281 by Transplanted Caper » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:54 pm

2010 Toronto first rounder Deck McGuire (don't look up who was drafted after him) signs a Minor-league deal with the Jays. Doubt it amounts to much, but what the hell. Bullpen arms are fickle, may as well throw anything at the wall and see what sticks come April.
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Post #19282 by vf » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:34 pm

He's good high minors depth.
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Post #19283 by stoney » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:50 pm

Transplanted Caper wrote:2010 Toronto first rounder Deck McGuire (don't look up who was drafted after him) signs a Minor-league deal with the Jays. Doubt it amounts to much, but what the hell. Bullpen arms are fickle, may as well throw anything at the wall and see what sticks come April.


He threw a hard sinking fastball. Could figure out something
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Post #19284 by Vector » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:22 pm

Refsnyder claimed by the Indians. Rowley and Ramirez outrighted off the 40-man.
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Post #19285 by vf » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:08 am

Picked up Gift Ngoepe who can play 2b/ss/3b slashed .222/.323/.296 in his debut season last year. 27 years old, doesn't seem to have much upside left, but he'll be cheaper then Goins or Barney and might outplay them.

They also added: RHP Conner Greene, C Danny Jansen and Reese McGuire, LHP Thomas Pannone and 1b Rowdy Tellez to the 40-man roster.

C Max Pentecost and RHP Jordan Romano and Andrew Case were left off. Pentecost and Romano have only made it to A+. Case made it to AAA last season, but, struggled there in 7.2IP posting a 5.87ERA. Did great in AA. Doesn't strike out a lot and doesn't walk a lot.

One spot left on the 40man now.
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Post #19286 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:41 pm

Braves were bent over a barrel and shown the 50 states by MLB today. One of their best prospects, Kevin Maitan, a shortstop, was declared a free agent as a part of it. We should sign him.
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Post #19287 by vf » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:14 pm

His money comes from the same pool as Otani.
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Post #19288 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:16 pm

We're not signing Otani. He'll be a Yankee and haunt us for years. I'm convinced.
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Post #19289 by edgar_dong » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:26 pm

Good Lord. What did this random nameless GM do? Image
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #19290 by vf » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:35 pm

edgar_dong wrote:Good Lord. What did this random nameless GM do? Image


Circumvented IFA signing rules by saying they're giving X amount to a player not eligible for the pool money, but, giving it to a player who was. He's been banned for life.
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Post #19291 by vf » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:37 pm

Lord Buckethead wrote:We're not signing Otani. He'll be a Yankee and haunt us for years. I'm convinced.


When you take money out of the situation a lot changes. No one can really outbid anyone else and he's already forfeiting a ton of money by coming over early. He's looking to play everyday and is big into sport sciences and any way he can gain an advantage. I don't see how the Yankees are way in front on those lines.
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Post #19292 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:40 pm

But I can't just dismiss the money. Plus the Japs have always favored a few places. NY, LA, SEA and TEX are usually the places they wanna go. When have we ever got one of those guys? I am terribly pessimistic that they can sign him. Also, we'll get an answer on him I would assume before we look at Maitan, or before anyone does.
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Post #19293 by vf » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:48 pm

What do you mean you can't dismiss the money? The posting fee has already been agreed to and is set at 20M. Otani is under 25 and restricted to IFA pool money, his absolute max is only going to be a few million.
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Post #19294 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:06 pm

From the spending pool, it's a signing bonus so he can get up to 3.5M. He's already forgoing 200M by not waiting for 25, and he'll give up another 2-2.5 mill to sign with the Jays over the Yankees?

I mean, I get what you're saying about the Jays sports science division maybe having a leg up so that he can rest up well and be able to play both positions.

I just think it's highly unlikely he comes here.
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Post #19295 by vf » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:44 am

Think about what you just said. He's giving up 200M, but, he's going to quibble over 2? I'm not saying he's coming here, he's just no lock for the Yankees. 2M isn't going to sway him if he's already leaving over a hundred on the table.
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Post #19296 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:15 pm

My point is, you're already giving up a lot, why give up even more. 2M is still 2M. That's the industry thinking too. I'd be thrilled if we got him, he's gonna end up in the AL for sure, but man, I'm not optimistic at all about Toronto. I think NY, TEX and SEA are the three most likely landing spots.
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Post #19297 by vf » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:08 pm

"The industry" never thinks one thing. Your point doesn't make any sense. You give up over 100M that he could collect on in two years, but, 2M is going to break his back? That's fucking stupid. If he cared at all about money he'd just stay in Japan for two more seasons and be eligible to sign for whatever he could get. I have no idea where he's signing other then probably the AL like you said. I just do not see money being the deciding factor for him unless EVERYTHING else is equal, which it will never be.
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Post #19298 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:41 pm

Lord Buckethead wrote:Braves were bent over a barrel and shown the 50 states by MLB today. One of their best prospects, Kevin Maitan, a shortstop, was declared a free agent as a part of it. We should sign him.


Kevin Maitan sucks.
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Post #19300 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:16 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Lord Buckethead wrote:Braves were bent over a barrel and shown the 50 states by MLB today. One of their best prospects, Kevin Maitan, a shortstop, was declared a free agent as a part of it. We should sign him.


Kevin Maitan sucks.


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