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Post #19351 by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:07 pm

Vector wrote:You know I live in Vancouver and fly to Japan at least once a year, right? ;)

He’ll only be flying to Japan once a year so the travel time is irrelevant.


Not him, but his family. I'm sure they'd prefer a shorter distance from their 23 year old son.
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Post #19352 by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:07 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Ohtani's running is graded anywhere from 70-80 according to scouts... Jesus is there anything he doesn't do at an elite level?


Pick a good baseball team.
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Post #19353 by Vector » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:11 pm

Lord Buckethead wrote:
Vector wrote:You know I live in Vancouver and fly to Japan at least once a year, right? ;)

He’ll only be flying to Japan once a year so the travel time is irrelevant.


Not him, but his family. I'm sure they'd prefer a shorter distance from their 23 year old son.


He’s already been living away from home since he was a teenager but I forgot he even had a family. Good point.
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Post #19354 by Balki Bartokomous » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:20 pm

Vector wrote:
Lord Buckethead wrote:
Vector wrote:You know I live in Vancouver and fly to Japan at least once a year, right? ;)

He’ll only be flying to Japan once a year so the travel time is irrelevant.


Not him, but his family. I'm sure they'd prefer a shorter distance from their 23 year old son.


He’s already been living away from home since he was a teenager but I forgot he even had a family. Good point.


Sure, but that's in Japan, this is a different country altogether, he's never been to NA or anything. I would just assume that's a part of his decision. Though I don't really know
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Post #19355 by vf » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:14 pm

After flubbing the Tinnish poaching AA has now poached George Poulis to be their director of player health and head athletic trainer. An Idiot should be happy IIRC.
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Post #19356 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:28 pm

Rogers evaluating selling the Jays. Whatever that means
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Post #19357 by Honus Joglund » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:50 pm

Please god, save us from those cocksuckers.
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Post #19358 by Transplanted Caper » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:04 am

The, er, turf, isn't always greener. Don't know if there's a rich person out there willing to buy them and spend a shitload of money on payroll and stadium upgrades.
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Post #19359 by Craig » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:09 am

The only realistic buyer for the Leafs that I can think of are MLSE (owned by Bell and Rogers) or outright Bell. Hooray?
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Post #19360 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:44 pm

I think that all the landlords in Toronto could afford to buy them as a landlord coporation.
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Post #19361 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:23 pm

Whatever happened to billionaires wanting a good clean toy? :why:
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #19362 by vf » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:15 pm

Craig wrote:The only realistic buyer for the Leafs that I can think of are MLSE (owned by Bell and Rogers) or outright Bell. Hooray?


Bell would be in the same situation as Rogers as a sole proprietor(or owning more then 51%). MLSE operates under totally different rules and would be the ideal owner, they seem to be as hands off as possible. I'd hate to be owned by a billionaire, it almost never ends well.
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Post #19363 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:48 am

Would anyone trade Bo Bichette for Christian Yelich? That's a conversation that was had on sportsnet this morning.
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Post #19364 by vf » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:22 pm

1 for 1? If Yelich played a good CF.
An 800OPS GG CF is vastly more valuable then an 800 OPS GG LF.
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Post #19365 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:25 pm

Yeah, 1 for 1. I'm assuming they put him in CF and move Pillar to LF. Or just trade him.

Even then, I'm not sure I do it. Biche is gonna be so good I think.
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Post #19366 by vf » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:56 pm

Do you want Yelich in centre though? DRS doesn't love him there and if he's in LF he's essentially an above average good player.
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Post #19367 by PPJ » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:12 pm

By the time Jays are again in contention for shit, I think they'd rather have Bo, IMO
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Post #19368 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:37 pm

vf wrote:Do you want Yelich in centre though? DRS doesn't love him there and if he's in LF he's essentially an above average good player.


Centre in the AL East might be easier than centre in the NL. But I dunno, I'm sure they have park adjusted scores for that. Either way, I'm leaning towards "don't do it" Bo could be ready by July of this year.
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Post #19369 by vf » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:56 pm

I'd want a whole lot more then might if Bo is leaving.
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Post #19370 by Transplanted Caper » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:13 pm

Otani to Anaheim.
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Post #19371 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:15 pm

Fuck him and them
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Post #19372 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:09 pm

I'm happy that Trout finally has another elite player to play alongside him.
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Post #19373 by Vector » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:21 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:I'm happy that Trout finally has another elite player to play alongside him.


That's where I'm at too. He immediately gives them an actual pitcher and a better part-time DH/1B option. Trout, Upton, Calhoun, and Simmons goes really well with Ohtani.
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Post #19374 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:23 pm

Stanton says no thanks to the Cardinals:

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Post #19375 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:22 pm

Does the same to the Giants lol.
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Post #19376 by MonkeyWrench » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:35 pm

I would have accepted that easily to move out to san fran.
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Post #19377 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:49 pm

If I was a power hitter I wouldn't want to play half my games in those stadiums either.
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Post #19378 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:25 am

He has the power to hit it into that fiberglass outfield glove on a regular basis. He's also paid like a premier power hitter as is. He's in his prime. His needs/wants should be based around winning, fun, and also marketing. If he has an emotional/family tie to the marlins, then I understand.
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Post #19379 by vf » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:35 am

If I was a power hitter with a lifetime contract I'd be taking a trade to a better organization and not giving a shit about personal numbers.
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Post #19380 by stoney » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:24 am

Stanton to Yankees? That sucks
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Post #19381 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:45 am

stoney wrote:Stanton to Yankees? That sucks


I thought that was sarcasm.

If the jays are ever going to do a re-tool, this is a good time.
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Post #19382 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:05 am

The jays have to move Donaldson now. There's no point in keeping him. Fuck Jeter and the Yankees.
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Post #19383 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:18 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:He has the power to hit it into that fiberglass outfield glove on a regular basis. He's also paid like a premier power hitter as is. He's in his prime. His needs/wants should be based around winning, fun, and also marketing. If he has an emotional/family tie to the marlins, then I understand.


There are several elite teams that play in hitters parks so I don't really get your point.
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Post #19384 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:19 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:The jays have to move Donaldson now. There's no point in keeping him. Fuck Jeter and the Yankees.


The Jays should trade their best player who is a rental because the Yankees added Stanton? That is retarded.
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Post #19385 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:28 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:The jays have to move Donaldson now. There's no point in keeping him. Fuck Jeter and the Yankees.


The Jays should trade their best player who is a rental because the Yankees added Stanton? That is retarded.


There are a bunch of teams I'd take ahead of the Jays at this point. Competing this year was a pipedream at best. They're not adding anything substantial that can compete with the Yankees, Red Sox, Astros, Angels and Twins. His value is higher now than at the trade deadline because you get a full year of him instead of a few months. You're unbelievably shortsighted here. There are a bunch of teams that lost the Ohtani and Stanton sweepstakes that might up the ante to get a Donaldson.

The general thinking amongst the talking heads is that they are going to look at changing course and waiting for Bo and Vlad to come. It's the prudent move.
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Post #19386 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:31 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
MonkeyWrench wrote:He has the power to hit it into that fiberglass outfield glove on a regular basis. He's also paid like a premier power hitter as is. He's in his prime. His needs/wants should be based around winning, fun, and also marketing. If he has an emotional/family tie to the marlins, then I understand.


There are several elite teams that play in hitters parks so I don't really get your point.


I guess I didn't really get your point, to which I was replying to, either.
As a power hitter, looking down on a team with a big field, only led me to believe you were referring to something around the desire to hit home runs not being met.
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Post #19387 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:49 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
MonkeyWrench wrote:He has the power to hit it into that fiberglass outfield glove on a regular basis. He's also paid like a premier power hitter as is. He's in his prime. His needs/wants should be based around winning, fun, and also marketing. If he has an emotional/family tie to the marlins, then I understand.


There are several elite teams that play in hitters parks so I don't really get your point.


I guess I didn't really get your point, to which I was replying to, either.
As a power hitter, looking down on a team with a big field, only led me to believe you were referring to something around the desire to hit home runs not being met.


What is difficult to understand? St. Louis is a massive park, and in a division chalk full of them. In the AL his skill set plays up. I can't imagine that wasn't a factor for him all things being similar.
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Post #19388 by vf » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:23 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
MonkeyWrench wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
There are several elite teams that play in hitters parks so I don't really get your point.


I guess I didn't really get your point, to which I was replying to, either.
As a power hitter, looking down on a team with a big field, only led me to believe you were referring to something around the desire to hit home runs not being met.


What is difficult to understand? St. Louis is a massive park, and in a division chalk full of them. In the AL his skill set plays up. I can't imagine that wasn't a factor for him all things being similar.


Given his contract situation, worrying about personal numbers is fucking stupid.
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Post #19389 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:45 pm

You realize better personal numbers means a greater impact for his team, right?
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Post #19390 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:58 pm

Anyways it is a moot point because according to sources the teams Stanton wanted to go to were the: Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers and Astros aka the 4 best teams in baseball.
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Post #19391 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:12 pm

Also four of the biggest cities in America. St. Louis is too midwest. He gets hurt a lot though, last year was his first fully healthy year in a bit.
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Post #19392 by Vector » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:20 pm

Stanton has on opt out so hitting a fuck tonne of dingers is still important for him personally. Otherwise I don’t think Park factor was a big deal as team success and location.
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Post #19393 by vf » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:05 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:You realize better personal numbers means a greater impact for his team, right?


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You do realize games are played in one stadium at a time right?
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Post #19394 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:28 pm

vf wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:You realize better personal numbers means a greater impact for his team, right?


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You do realize games are played in one stadium at a time right?


I don't know what you are trying to argue and I don't much care to find out.
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Post #19395 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:21 pm

I don't think the park is a factor when you're crushing bombs 445 feet or further. The moonshots he hit this year were home runs in any park.
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Post #19396 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:36 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:I don't think the park is a factor when you're crushing bombs 445 feet or further. The moonshots he hit this year were home runs in any park.


That's great, but not every fly ball Stanton hits is a moon shot.
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Post #19397 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:41 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:I don't think the park is a factor when you're crushing bombs 445 feet or further. The moonshots he hit this year were home runs in any park.


That's great, but not every fly ball Stanton hits is a moon shot.


The shortest distance hit this year was 350. 19 of his 59 were under 400 feet and four of em were under 360. 40 homers over 400 feet is insane. Pretty much everything was a bomb from him this year pal.
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Post #19398 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:47 pm

And he would have even more in a smaller park and division. What part of that are you having difficulty understanding?
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Post #19399 by Craig » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:57 pm

Does that really increase his impact though? Everyone hits more dingers in a smaller park, no? The important thing is how he hits relative to everyone else in the same park, right?
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Post #19400 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:05 pm

Are we thinking he hits 70 or more playing in the AL East.

Who knows, maybe the Toronto and Tampa turf really screw with him and he gets even more hurt than usual.

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