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Post #19501 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:58 am

I also fully expect Alford and Hernandez to compete for starting jobs.
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Post #19502 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:21 am

So then trade. I'm okay with a tear down. Pick a fucking side.
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Post #19503 by Transplanted Caper » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:49 am

The MLB draft is not analogous to any other sport, so tearing down when you have the resources the Jays do, is pointless. Grabbing short-term guys while waiting on young players to make it to the big leagues makes perfect sense.
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Post #19504 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:06 pm

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Balki Bartokomous wrote:So then trade. I'm okay with a tear down. Pick a fucking side.


There is never a reason to tear down a team unless you are in a small market or have a shoestring budget.
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Post #19505 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:18 pm

Both of which the Jays are now that the ownership situation is in flux.
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Post #19506 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:06 pm

Don't be stupid
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Post #19507 by Transplanted Caper » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:14 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:Both of which the Jays are now that the ownership situation is in flux.


:hellyeah:
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Post #19508 by MonkeyWrench » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:21 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:[*]
Balki Bartokomous wrote:So then trade. I'm okay with a tear down. Pick a fucking side.


There is never a reason to tear down a team unless you are in a small market or have a shoestring budget.


Add in the fact that the mlb draft is a magic 8 ball event...unless you have a top 3. It's all about scouting/luck/development rather than tanking.
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Post #19509 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:28 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:[*]
Balki Bartokomous wrote:So then trade. I'm okay with a tear down. Pick a fucking side.


There is never a reason to tear down a team unless you are in a small market or have a shoestring budget.


Add in the fact that the mlb draft is a magic 8 ball event...unless you have a top 3. It's all about scouting/luck/development rather than tanking.


Even the top 3 is a crap shoot most years. It's nice if there is a Strasburg or Harper at the top, but most years it's a guy like Tim Beckham, Brady Aiken, Anthony Rendon who have upside, but could just as easily not pan out.
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Post #19510 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:31 pm

I'm not saying through the draft, but move your guys for top prospects. That's tenuous at best as well. I don't like being in no man's land.
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Post #19511 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:59 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:I'm not saying through the draft, but move your guys for top prospects. That's tenuous at best as well. I don't like being in no man's land.


The Jays aren't in no man's land. With good health they should be a very competitive team. The one possible mistep this front office made was not dealing away JD last season. Now if an extension is completed I have no issues with what they did, but if it isn't, it's pretty tough to justify not moving him a year ago when the return would have been multiple top 75-100 prospects.
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Post #19512 by vf » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:12 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:Both of which the Jays are now that the ownership situation is in flux.


The only rumoured buyer I've heard is MLSE which would allow the Jays to spend much more money.
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Post #19513 by Vector » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:13 pm

MLSE would be a pretty damn awesome owner.
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Post #19514 by vf » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:15 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:He was 1.4 and a negative defensive player. They have been doing these little things that don't inspire much. I don't hate the Granderson signing, but so far it's reclamation project, fossil, middling utility player.


1.4 bWAR. bWAR is better at stating what did happen. He had 2.1fWAR, which is better at predicting what would of happened factoring out luck. He can't play CF anymore, but, his corner defence is fine, which is better then what we had last season in the corner OF.
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Post #19515 by vf » Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:16 pm

Vector wrote:MLSE would be a pretty damn awesome owner.


It would be the best case scenario, dropping the EBT Rogers has to deal with would be a huge boon to the Jays.
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Post #19516 by vf » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:08 pm

Jays picked up Randal Grichuk for Dominic Leone and Connor Greene.
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Post #19517 by MonkeyWrench » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:11 pm

I don't mind it. He's got good power, good defense, and can play all 3 outfield positions.
He can't walk, and his plate discipline is poor.
Young, and I believe the jays have control over him for 2-3 more seasons.
Just another piece to input into the land of platoons for the 2018 season.
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Post #19518 by vf » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:57 pm

I don't mind it, good glove, no arm from what I recall. Only so many roster spots though.
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Post #19519 by Vector » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:24 pm

Hmmm, interesting. He was pretty bad last season but quite good the previous two. Probably shuts the door on Cain.

Pillar, Hernandez, Grichuk, Carrera, Granderson and Pearce. I can't imagine seeing Pearce every actually playing LF. A lot more athletic with higher upside OF at least.

I really liked Leone and with the BP being terrible for such a long time it's a hit but he's a guy they got off waivers. To turn him and Greene into a legitimate position player is a very solid return.
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Post #19520 by Vector » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:48 pm

Right now I see the 25 man roster as such:

OF:
Pillar, Grichuk, Carrera, Granderson, & Hernandez

INF:
Smoak, Tulo, Travis, JD, Diaz, Solarte, & Pearce

C:
Martin & Jansen

DH:
Morales

SP:
Sanchez, Stroman, Estrada, Happ, & Biagini

RP:
Osuna, Tepera, Barnes, Loup, & Ramirez

Something has to give unless they are only going with an insane 5 man bullpen. To me, the most likely situation is to jettison Morales and leave Carrera in the minors. Pearce is the new DH and Granderson/Hernandez/Grichuk all platoon with each other.
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Post #19521 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:52 pm

I still think the obvious play is to sign Cain and trade Pillar. I don't love the move if this is the final OF, even though I do see some upside in Grichuk.
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Post #19522 by Vector » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:01 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:I still think the obvious play is to sign Cain and trade Pillar. I don't love the move if this is the final OF, even though I do see some upside in Grichuk.


I doubt they move on from Pillar considering how cheap he is. To me, Morales is the biggest line-up issue. Also the complete lack of SP depth.
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Post #19523 by vf » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:12 pm

Vector wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:I still think the obvious play is to sign Cain and trade Pillar. I don't love the move if this is the final OF, even though I do see some upside in Grichuk.


I doubt they move on from Pillar considering how cheap he is. To me, Morales is the biggest line-up issue. Also the complete lack of SP depth.


I believe that by the time Pillar gets expensive he'll be useless.
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Post #19524 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:20 pm

Vector wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:I still think the obvious play is to sign Cain and trade Pillar. I don't love the move if this is the final OF, even though I do see some upside in Grichuk.


I doubt they move on from Pillar considering how cheap he is. To me, Morales is the biggest line-up issue. Also the complete lack of SP depth.


Morales is a problem, but I don't think you can move him unless he has a good first half next season. The rotation could use some added depth, but I actually like the pieces and expect bounce backs from Sanchez and Estrada. I'm most concerned with the offense at present, I don't think we have enough to compete.
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Post #19525 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:13 pm

We are out on Cain is the thinking.
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Post #19526 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:42 am

Man, the Halladay autopsy is depressing. Drugs and alcohol in the system..........
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Post #19527 by Vector » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:49 pm

I’ve seen the report of drugs but haven’t seen a report of alcohol.
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Post #19528 by vf » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:35 pm

df trying his best to not know what Ambien is.
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Post #19529 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:05 pm

Vector wrote:I’ve seen the report of drugs but haven’t seen a report of alcohol.


The report by the Pinellas-Pasco medical examiner’s office also showed that Halladay’s blood alcohol content was .01. The antidepressant fluoxetine (Prozac) was also detected.

FAA regulations forbids the consumption of alcohol within eight hours of piloting a civil aircraft.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays ... ystem.html

Like it's minuscule but the rule is none whatsoever.

That explains the erratic flying he was caught on tape doing.
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Post #19530 by stoney » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:39 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Vector wrote:I’ve seen the report of drugs but haven’t seen a report of alcohol.


The report by the Pinellas-Pasco medical examiner’s office also showed that Halladay’s blood alcohol content was .01. The antidepressant fluoxetine (Prozac) was also detected.

FAA regulations forbids the consumption of alcohol within eight hours of piloting a civil aircraft.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays ... ystem.html

Like it's minuscule but the rule is none whatsoever.

That explains the erratic flying he was caught on tape doing.


there are videos of him flying like a 16 year old in a Mustang before he crashed.
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Post #19531 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:43 pm

Yeah, I know. Makes me sad that it went like that because he was being a dipshit.
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Post #19532 by vf » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:03 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Vector wrote:I’ve seen the report of drugs but haven’t seen a report of alcohol.


The report by the Pinellas-Pasco medical examiner’s office also showed that Halladay’s blood alcohol content was .01. The antidepressant fluoxetine (Prozac) was also detected.

FAA regulations forbids the consumption of alcohol within eight hours of piloting a civil aircraft.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays ... ystem.html

Like it's minuscule but the rule is none whatsoever.

That explains the erratic flying he was caught on tape doing.


No it doesn't. It mean he had one beer sometime that day. He could have also had prescription for Prozac and taken an Ambien the night before to help sleep. It literally doesn't explain anything and fuck the star for trying to skew lab results into something torrid.
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Post #19533 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:15 pm

Okay, then according to your expert opinion, why was he flying erratically if not for drugs and alcohol being mixed together?
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Post #19534 by vf » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:20 pm

0.01BAC is not even close to have alcohol impair a person. It's literally one beer. They don't make note of how much Prozac and ambien is in his system. The medical examiner also never noted as a cause of death. The creator of the plane Halladay died in died flying the same plane. Its a pos.
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Post #19536 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:35 am

I don't even think Ohtani should be on that list. For me Guerrero is #2 and Bichette is #7.
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Post #19537 by vf » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:52 am

Why shouldn't Otani be on that list?
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Post #19538 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:01 pm

Why would Jays fans like the Rays and Yankees combining for twelve percent of the list? Am I correct, fellas?
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #19539 by Transplanted Caper » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:03 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:I don't even think Ohtani should be on that list. For me Guerrero is #2 and Bichette is #7.


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Post #19540 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:22 pm

vf wrote:Why shouldn't Otani be on that list?


Was Tanaka or Darvish? The guy has been a pro for years.
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Post #19541 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:07 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
vf wrote:Why shouldn't Otani be on that list?


Was Tanaka or Darvish? The guy has been a pro for years.


Yes to Darvish, I can't remember about Tanaka, but I think he was too.
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Post #19542 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:01 pm

I guess I just view em different than guys who toil in the minors. Japan is tougher than AA or A. Not like it matters anyway
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Post #19543 by vf » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:32 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
vf wrote:Why shouldn't Otani be on that list?


Was Tanaka or Darvish? The guy has been a pro for years.


Davis was ranked #4 in 2011. Tanaka was also ranked #4 in 2013.

Guerrero has been a pro ball player for 3 years now.
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Post #19545 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:17 pm

I think I might cry boys, Goins is finally gone!
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Post #19546 by Vector » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:22 pm

Cain to the Brewers for 5/80 and Yelich trades to them for Brinson, 2 excellent prospects, and a decent throw-in. Brewers really improving their roster in one day. They now have 6 MLB-ready OFs so look to see another trade from them.
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Post #19547 by Transplanted Caper » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:54 pm

I have a feeling the front office would love for Alford to push Pillar out sometime this season. I think Pillar is serviceable enough, but he won't get any better and the team would love a more rounded player, there.
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Post #19548 by paulster » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:25 am

Transplanted Caper wrote:I have a feeling the front office would love for Alford to push Pillar out sometime this season. I think Pillar is serviceable enough, but he won't get any better and the team would love a more rounded player, there.


Gonna bet Pillar pushes himself out of the lineup at some point due to injuries.
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Post #19549 by stoney » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:54 am

paulster wrote:
Transplanted Caper wrote:I have a feeling the front office would love for Alford to push Pillar out sometime this season. I think Pillar is serviceable enough, but he won't get any better and the team would love a more rounded player, there.


Gonna bet Pillar pushes himself out of the lineup at some point due to injuries.


Pompey is 100% as well. He could be a wild card
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