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Post #4451 by Curry Rage » Tue May 28, 2019 6:00 am

Thomas Malthus wrote:Wait, I forget, is losing in six games in the third round worse than losing in the first round?

I don’t know, I’ve been too busy counting short handed goals against to check if AHL competition was comparable to the NHL. It took some time.
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Post #4452 by Curry Rage » Tue May 28, 2019 11:57 am

Keefe officially extended for two years. Could probably use more reps before taking an NHL job. Sit tight for two more years of speculation.
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Post #4453 by LeafOfBread » Thu May 30, 2019 11:15 am

Gordeev, McGregor and Dakota Joshua not going to be signed. Kind of surprising, Gordeev can actually skate decent for a big man, thought we'd maybe try to develop him, and McGregor had good albeit not amazing production. Gordeev and McGregor will both have to re-enter the draft as well so we can't sign them to a Marlies deal (unless they go undrafted).

Those 2016 and 2017 drafts which were apparently led primarily by Hunter are turning out to be disappointments as far as late round picks go. Keaton Middleton, Jack Walker, Nicolas Mattinen (he did just have a pretty good overage season to be fair), Fedor Gordeev and Ryan McGregor are all out of the system already. I think Hunter had banked on one of these big d-men panning out but thus far looks like most of them won't really amount to much (jury is still out though), though Middleton seems to be doing okay in the AHL. There's also JD Greenway who has an enticing skill set but has had some personal problems post-draft, going from NCAA back to USHL as an older player. Ryan O'Connell looks like nothing special so far. Bobylev, Kara and Chebykin look like Russian magic beans that will amount to nothing. Rasanen probably should've stayed in the CHL but apparently was getting homesick and is now stuck on a KHL team that won't play him enough minutes.

2016 stings in particular because we had 11 picks and it's very possible none of them amount to anything for us outside of Auston Matthews (not counting Grundstrom since he was traded away). Still have some hope for Korshkov and Brooks.

So in terms of non-Matthews Hunter picks, Liljegren, Brooks, Grundstrom, Woll, Scott, and maybe Korshkov are the ones who I see having any potential upside at this point. So I guess if there's one thing Hunter did well it was drafting goalie prospects.
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Post #4454 by Honus Joglund » Thu May 30, 2019 5:00 pm

I would bet that the statboys on Leafs twitter are getting each other all lathered up over the last "Coke machine" being moved out.

Just don't tell them that when Colton Parayko was 18, he went undrafted after 12 points in 42 games in the AJHL. Also don't tell them that Josh Manson didn't get drafted in his first year of draft eligibility even though he was a late birthday. At 19 he went undrafted after 24 points in 54 games in the BCHL. The next name that's going to go on this list is Philippe Myers, who had 8 points in 60 games in Rouyn-Noranda when he was draft eligible.

When you're trying to draft a Colton Parayko or a Josh Manson, you're going to get a whole bunch more Keaton Middletons, Fedor Gordeevs or Stephen Desrochers.
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Post #4455 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:48 am

Wheeler has his summer prospect rankings over at the Athletic: https://theathletic.com/1046616/2019/07 ... 9-edition/

His cutoff is age 22. He only considers players who have NHL deals and those drafted players whose rights haven't expired. If Brazeau was eligible (he signed an AHL deal) he would have been around the top 10. Brooks would have been 8-10 and Engvall would have been in the teens.

He feels there are two major drop off points in talent, after #7 and in the mid-teens. His list has tiers to show players who are tightly grouped. (I am a bit confused as to why he has a drop off after #7 but that tier ends after #8).

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Post #4456 by vf » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:05 pm

This plug from the Sens got two games for almost ending Agostino's career.

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Post #4457 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:07 am

Yikes.
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Post #4458 by vf » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:27 am

No penalty was called in-game.
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Post #4459 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:09 am

vf wrote:No penalty was called in-game.

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Post #4460 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:11 pm

Either the video is pixelated for me, or he's literally waving his elbow in the air before making contact like wwe.
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Post #4461 by vf » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 am

He certainly wasn't subtle.
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Post #4462 by mooseOAK » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:20 pm

Korshkov has a goal in each of his first 5 games as a Marlie.
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Post #4463 by Thomas Malthus » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:29 pm

Neal better watch out because Korshkov looks like the real deal.
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Post #4464 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:38 am

"It's not like we don't have skill, we do have skill. Just we don't know how to play." - Mike Babcock
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Post #4466 by Curry Rage » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:03 am

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Post #4467 by Honus Joglund » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:06 pm

Lilly really seems to be turning the corner. 22 points in 31 games now after a 1+1 today. People on twitter are saying that he's a legit all-weather stud for the Marlies.

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Starting to look like he's going to be expected to take a spot in camp next year.
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Post #4468 by stoney » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:28 pm

And Sandin looks better
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Post #4469 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:58 pm

They've got to be upgrades on Ceci and Marincin. But do we want them playing like 15 minutes a night?
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Post #4470 by LeafOfBread » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:24 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:They've got to be upgrades on Ceci and Marincin. But do we want them playing like 15 minutes a night?

IMO because of the difficulty of the position and the steep learning curve it has at the NHL level I don't see a problem with that, and since Keefe is coach I'd imagine if it becomes clear that either Sandin or Liljegren can handle more minutes he'll adjust them accordingly. Very few rookie d-men go straight to top pairing or even top 4 minutes right away anyways unless they're on shit teams.
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Post #4471 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:32 am

This kid has Brendan Gallagher written all over him.

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Post #4473 by paulster » Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:06 pm

Looks like we’ve got another Connor Brown on our hands fellas!

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Post #4474 by mooseOAK » Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:12 pm

That would be an acceptable outcome.
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Post #4475 by AZ » Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:16 pm

Connor Brown wishes he could skate, shoot and stick handle like Robertson.
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Post #4476 by vf » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:24 am

And we all wish Nick Robertson was bigger then Brandon Kozun.
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Post #4477 by WTF » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:34 am

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
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Post #4478 by LeafOfBread » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:48 am

vf wrote:And we all wish Nick Robertson was bigger then Brandon Kozun.

FWIW, his older brother is pretty big, maybe he grows a bit. He was born a premie though so probably unlikely.
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Post #4479 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:10 pm

If he could be a kind of Gallagher player for us, I would love that.
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Post #4480 by vf » Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:35 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:If he could be a kind of Gallagher player for us, I would love that.


If he ever finds sandpaper he'll be deported immediately. All we need is smooth baby shit talent. No rough edges.
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Post #4481 by vf » Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:37 pm

WTF wrote:A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.


As perfectly cromulent as the saying is; both are jokes.
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Post #4482 by Honus Joglund » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:37 pm

RHD Joe Duszak has 17 points in 20 games, and 16 of those points have come in the last 13 games. Did we stumble upon something here?
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Post #4483 by paulster » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:21 am

Honus Joglund wrote:RHD Joe Duszak has 17 points in 20 games, and 16 of those points have come in the last 13 games. Did we stumble upon something here?


The next Cory Cross!
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Post #4484 by vf » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:33 am

He's small enough that it just might work!

He also had 35pts in 34gp in the echl and still leads team D in pts by 10 despite being gone over 20 games.
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Post #4485 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:04 am

Jesus.
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Post #4486 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:24 am

Nobody called Chris McNamara with a hot tip, telling him that he absolutely had to get out to watch the little American kid play. There was nothing circled on the calendar, no reason to get excited about seeing one of the weaker minor midget teams in the Greater Toronto Hockey League.

As director of scouting for the Peterborough Petes, McNamara tries to get out to see every team, and it just happened to be the day he blocked off to watch the Toronto Red Wings. The little American might only have been 5-foot-7 — a tiny broomstick on skates — but he would become impossible to ignore.

Nick Robertson was winning battles against much bigger players, stripping the puck from them on the back-check and firing shots with unusual velocity. He was born in Los Angeles, trained in Detroit and was quickly entrenched atop the OHL draft board in Peterborough.

“You go watch other good players, and they show you flashes of greatness and flashes of the high-end skill,” McNamara said. “But this kid was doing it every shift.”

Robertson is still waiting for that decisive growth spurt, but three years after the Petes took him in the first round, that high-end skill has placed him on the precipice of franchise history. The 18-year-old is on the verge of becoming the first Peterborough player to reach 50 goals in a season in 27 years.

According to the Peterborough Examiner, only 13 players have scored that many goals in a season for the Petes, who are the oldest continuously operating franchise in the league. Robertson has scored 47 goals this season, with 10 games still to play.

“It’s exciting, definitely a big accomplishment,” Robertson said. “Hopefully I can get it pretty soon.”

That success also reflects on the Maple Leafs, who picked Robertson with their first available selection in the NHL draft last spring. Toronto got Robertson, the OHL’s potential goal-scoring leader, in the second round (53rd overall). He signed his entry-level contract in September.

“He should have been a first-round draft pick,” said Craig Button, the former Calgary Flames general manager now working as an analyst with TSN.

Robertson has missed time due both to injury and for the world junior championship. His 47 goals have arrived through only 42 games. He is tied with Ottawa’s Jack Quinn for the league’s goal-scoring lead, and Quinn has appeared in 14 more games.

“The largest number of mistakes in the NHL draft are on size: Overestimating the bigger player, and underestimating the smaller player,” Button said. “When you’re drafting players at 17 or 18 years of age, they have so much growth ahead of them in terms of physical maturity.”

Button added a point for emphasis: “I don’t scout with a tape measure.”

Robertson is still only listed as 5-foot-9 and 164 pounds. That would make him three inches shorter and 11 pounds lighter than Mitch Marner.

Button compared him to Jake Guentzel, another diminutive American forward, who is playing with the Penguins. He said Robertson is elusive, able to use his leverage to slip under checks from some of his larger opponents.

“He’s a Formula One driver,” Button said. “He can corner. He can speed up on the straightaway. He understands when to down-shift. If you’re a defenceman, you don’t know — you don’t know if he’s going to gear up and go by you, or if he’s going to quickly turn and gain some space for himself.”

Robertson had earned at least a point in 19 straight games heading into a game at home against the Oshawa Generals on Thursday night. The streak encompassed every game the Petes had played since the start of the New Year. He had five goals in three games heading into play against Oshawa.

“He’s an elite goal scorer,” said Petes coach Rob Wilson. “He can score them in all ways: He can score them from distance, he can score them in at the crease, he can score them from a one-timer, he can score them on a deke.”

The Petes deployed him whenever possible against the Generals, their ancient rival.

Robertson was on the point for the team’s first power-play unit. He was also on the first penalty-killing unit. He lined up on the wing at five-on-five, but seemed to be everywhere around the puck, slipping to the open spaces around the offensive zone.

Robertson was held without a point Thursday, snapping his streak.

“It’s an elite group of people who have scored 50 goals in the OHL,” said Petes general manager Mike Oke. “It’s not something that happens on a regular basis.”

Jason Dawe (58) and Mike Harding (54) were the last Peterborough players to reach the mark, hitting it during the 1992-93 season. The Petes own one of the most storied roll calls in Canadian junior hockey, from Wayne Gretzky to Steve Yzerman to Chris Pronger.

“It’s a real terrific accomplishment, and something that Nick should be proud of,” Oke said. “It’s a milestone that will be able to be recognized, and a feather in the cap of the entire Petes organization.”

Robertson’s older brother Jason, a Dallas Stars prospect, led the OHL in scoring last season with Niagara. Over the summer, they rented a condominium together in Aurora, north of Toronto, to be close to fitness guru Gary Roberts. They worked out with him during the week and, on some weekends, Nick Robertson would find another arena to do some more work.

He would shoot 1,000 pucks.

“I don’t think there were too many other 18-year-olds up at eight o’clock on a Saturday morning to shoot 1,000 pucks,” McNamara said with a chuckle. “That takes a little bit of determination and will, you know what I mean?”

Robertson does not hesitate when asked about his goal for next fall: He plans to make the Leafs out of training camp.

“He can’t make himself 6-foot-2,” McNamara said. “But he’s going to make sure he’s getting stronger physically.”


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Post #4487 by Curry Rage » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:40 pm

He’s even smaller than I thought.
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Post #4488 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:13 pm

That’s what she said.
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Post #4489 by mooseOAK » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:56 pm

The Marlies game tonight had a lineup where not one of them could be called a highly probable future NHL player.
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Post #4490 by Curry Rage » Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:25 am

Yup. The cupboards are getting bare, Robertson notwithstanding. And even he isn’t a sure thing given his size.
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Post #4491 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:20 pm

Robertson has 6 more games left to hit 60. He currently stands at 55 goals in 46 gp. Moreover, the all time record for an American U19 player in the OHL is Wayne Pressley at 63 goals.



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Post #4492 by Curry Rage » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:45 pm

Shirley you mean NHL Legend Wayne Presley?
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Post #4493 by vf » Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:26 pm

Don't besmirch the man once dealt to the Leafs for the great Sergio Momesso!

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