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Post #1051 by LeafErikson » Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:09 pm

Get a load of this beauty!

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/8/23/the ... -situation

It's probably fair to say this summer has seen a debate arise about how, on the surface, the way the Leafs are operating seems to be making a shift. Their moves are contradictory, not at all like a year ago, and now it feels as though, for the first time under Shanahan's watch, this management team, filled with big voices, is becoming a kitchen with too many cooks.

Maybe others' read on the situation is different, and everyone's entitled to that. But there's a real sense among plenty of folks that it's not all rosy at the top. For that reason, I think it's likely that over the next year or so we'll see some key cogs moving up and others moving on. Such is the business.

Mark Hunter was promoted to assistant general manager on Monday. It's been initially played off by Lamoriello as a change in title only, but there has to be some further reasoning behind it. From the angle that it puts up a bit of a roadblock to other teams being able to poach him, it's a tidy piece of business. But I'd wager it's also to put him in the conversation for Lou's job eventually and conciliate concerns about that role being handed to Kyle Dubas. I can say with a high degree of confidence that both those guys want that job badly when it comes about, and one will eventually emerge to take it. The promotion of Hunter formally puts them on level ground, and that's notable.

Personally, I think the Leafs would be best off with Dubas running the show in the long term. I'm not sure I have the same confidence in Hunter, as much as I respect his draft work. But my opinions aside, the thing is, I thought the path for the former was nearly a foregone conclusion, the succession plan in place. I don't feel that way anymore. And as much as Shanahan has assured everyone that the whole group is contributing to the build, this offseason it's felt like the decisions have fallen in line with older school thinking. There's been noticeable change, and that's undeniable.

Hiring Lamoriello was a solid move, and his trade negotiation skills were apparently sorely needed, but there are some beginning to believe he's quickly gone from just another part of the group to gaining typical GM autonomy since his hiring, and that's created a situation that's less-than-ideal.

All this is admittedly dosed in some speculation, but not unsubstantiated. Toronto's management has been able to keep things quiet on player signings and such until there's pen to paper, but when their overall approach shifts and their behaviour seems to indicate a rift, there's likely more to it.

The Leafs will have to be careful here. A little while ago I wrote that teams will likely start circling around Marlies head coach Sheldon Keefe soon, given his winning track record. My opinion on that hasn't changed, and I think the same will happen with Dubas if the AHL club has another strong season. If some of the whispers out there are accurate, that Lamoriello and others are starting turn their ears away from the numbers-heavy guys and drifting back into dated habits, other progressive front offices will get ready to scoop up that kind of talent. Look no further than the overhaul of the Panthers these past few months.

This is why the next 12 months or so are particularly interesting for the team in this regard, with the summer of 2017 putting Lamoriello one season away from his contract expiring. Will Shanahan then go the route of the Blues, for example, who made it clear that Mike Yeo would succeed Hitchcock after a year under his tutelage, and make a similar determination for one of Dubas or Hunter? Clearing that air ahead of time might be smart.

And who knows, perhaps this will all work out fine in the end and everyone will stay aboard forever, but I just think Hunter's promotion isn't meaningless, and shouldn't be looked at as such. As for whether everything's fine in the organization on the day-to-day, that depends on who you talk to, but from my end I think JP NIkota at PPP probably summed things up well with this: "...anyone who doesn't have certain misgivings about the way the Leafs are being run right now isn't paying close enough attention."
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Post #1052 by vf » Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:13 pm

Whoever wrote that and whoever JP Nikota at PPP are just need to go and stick their heads in ovens. What a waste.
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Post #1053 by mooseOAK » Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:04 pm

We are far from being able to judge success or failure or even heavily laud or criticize the general decision making.
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Post #1054 by LeafOfBread » Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:32 pm

vf wrote:Whoever wrote that and whoever JP Nikota at PPP are just need to go and stick their heads in ovens. What a waste.

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Post #1055 by LeafErikson » Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:36 pm

mooseOAK wrote:We are far from being able to judge success or failure or even heavily laud or criticize the general decision making.


That's certainly a better approach to take than the chicken little shit we're seeing over the tiniest, and mostly insignificant moves. I'm generally happy with the direction of the team, but I'm short of calling this rebuild a success. There's nothing I can point to and say "same old bullshit".
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Post #1056 by Honus Joglund » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:34 pm

"...anyone who doesn't have certain misgivings about the way the Leafs are being run right now isn't paying close enough attention."


This garbage sounds like it came straight out of a Steve Simmons or Damian Cox article, which is hilarious considering how mercilessly these blogging losers mock those two.
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Post #1057 by LeafErikson » Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:39 pm

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Post #1058 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:07 am

LeafErikson wrote:
mooseOAK wrote:We are far from being able to judge success or failure or even heavily laud or criticize the general decision making.


That's certainly a better approach to take than the chicken little shit we're seeing over the tiniest, and mostly insignificant moves. I'm generally happy with the direction of the team, but I'm short of calling this rebuild a success. There's nothing I can point to and say "same old bullshit".


We signed a depth guy, a capable backup, and traded for a starting goalie. :paulrus:
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Post #1059 by LeafErikson » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:49 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:
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mooseOAK wrote:We are far from being able to judge success or failure or even heavily laud or criticize the general decision making.


That's certainly a better approach to take than the chicken little shit we're seeing over the tiniest, and mostly insignificant moves. I'm generally happy with the direction of the team, but I'm short of calling this rebuild a success. There's nothing I can point to and say "same old bullshit".


We signed a depth guy, a capable backup, and traded for a starting goalie. :paulrus:


It's incredible how people can look at that and say it's the same old shit. They act like Martin is another Clarkson. And the grand daddy bs line yet, the Leafs shouldn't be trying to win games yet.
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Post #1060 by Curry Rage » Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:08 am

Do people still buy this teenage drama shit?

"Anyone who doesn't have certain misgivings about the way the Leafs are being run right now isn't desperate enough for attention."
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Post #1061 by vf » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:24 am

They've done the easy part (tearing it down) and are still in the transition to trying to win games. The handwringing and crying over menial things is terrible. HS approved I'm sure.
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Post #1062 by Curry Rage » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:40 am

Cripes, remember the fucking crying about fourth line icetime when we had Randy coaching a lineup missing goaltending, a 1C, Phaneuf as 1D and a real dropoff after that amongst a host of other holes?

This is pretty much the same thing. A 30th place and rebuilding lineup full of high upside kids with question marks and the biggest worry is that they signed a guy with good underlying numbers for his role because he also happens to be a mean sumbitch. Oh, and that fourth rounder that would've faded into the sands of time with most of the others if there hadn't been a panic over WHAT IT MEANS ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THE CLUB!@@$$%££!! And that after they drafted a bunch of guys with good skill and numbers from a shallow pool using an innovative and mathematically sound approach, but they were too old or something. In that case, it's interesting (perhaps even ironing) to note that it's actually all the whiners who are being conservative and traditional while the Leafs were taking a progressive approach.

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Post #1063 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:35 pm

LeafErikson wrote:
Philthy Thrillz wrote:
LeafErikson wrote:
That's certainly a better approach to take than the chicken little shit we're seeing over the tiniest, and mostly insignificant moves. I'm generally happy with the direction of the team, but I'm short of calling this rebuild a success. There's nothing I can point to and say "same old bullshit".


We signed a depth guy, a capable backup, and traded for a starting goalie. :paulrus:


It's incredible how people can look at that and say it's the same old shit. They act like Martin is another Clarkson. And the grand daddy bs line yet, the Leafs shouldn't be trying to win games yet.


Can't forget the four or five Biggs like picks they made at the draft this year.
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Post #1064 by clawfirst » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:25 pm

But thats the point. They are biggs like picks. But with 4- 5 of them if you get one player youre good. 2 and you did fantastic to offset that small skill crapshoots from last year. And they all develop near same time as were over agers.

I guess its too simple to make good sense.

Wait and see. If the horachuck era didnt kill us(and for you poor old bastards ballard) what can hurt us....
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Post #1065 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:49 pm

but but Biggs busted so they'll all bust.
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Post #1066 by vf » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:56 pm

And you can trade like a 2nd and 4th for a top pick! Those later picks are valuable! you can't try and draft boom or bust physical players, it must be boom or bust skill playyers!
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Post #1067 by Whit Dickman » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:41 pm

You never hear the lament over drafting Stefanovich-like players.
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Post #1068 by vf » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:19 am

That's what I said. :crossarms:
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Post #1069 by LeafOfBread » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:32 pm

http://www.si.com/nhl/photo/2016/08/24/ ... -left-wing

If anyone needs a reminder that Sports Illustrated knows fuck all about hockey, enjoy this article. JVR at 17 behind some of those other guys.. :donger:
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Post #1070 by Whit Dickman » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:21 pm

Gaudreau is becoming exceedingly overrated.
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Post #1071 by cawbber » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:35 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:Gaudreau is becoming exceedingly overrated.

The funny thing for me is how much flack Marner gets for being an under-sized player, yet the same critics salivate over Gaudreau.
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Post #1072 by Curry Rage » Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:21 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:
LeafErikson wrote:
Philthy Thrillz wrote:
We signed a depth guy, a capable backup, and traded for a starting goalie. :paulrus:


It's incredible how people can look at that and say it's the same old shit. They act like Martin is another Clarkson. And the grand daddy bs line yet, the Leafs shouldn't be trying to win games yet.


Can't forget the four or five Biggs like picks they made at the draft this year.

Guess I missed that draft.
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Post #1073 by LeafErikson » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:43 pm

Anyone with size was basically labeled a slow footed troglodyte by the stats nerds. Big players can't be skilled it seems.
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Post #1074 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Aug 26, 2016 7:06 pm

LeafErikson wrote:Anyone with size was basically labeled a slow footed troglodyte by the stats nerds. Big players can't be skilled it seems.


The irony coming from a group of people who preach avoiding bias in player evaluation.
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Post #1075 by Curry Rage » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:52 am

They seem to specialise in ironing.
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Post #1076 by cawbber » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:48 am

LeafErikson wrote:Anyone with size was basically labeled a slow footed troglodyte by the stats nerds. Big players can't be skilled it seems.

Someone needs to tell Mario that...
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Post #1077 by akiberg » Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:22 pm

cawbber wrote:
LeafErikson wrote:Anyone with size was basically labeled a slow footed troglodyte by the stats nerds. Big players can't be skilled it seems.

Someone needs to tell Mario that...

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Post #1078 by cawbber » Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:54 pm

akiberg wrote:
cawbber wrote:
LeafErikson wrote:Anyone with size was basically labeled a slow footed troglodyte by the stats nerds. Big players can't be skilled it seems.

Someone needs to tell Mario that...

Trembley?


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Post #1079 by mooseOAK » Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:09 pm

The Mitch Marner thread on boredz deserves a lifetime achievement award.
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Post #1080 by WTF » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:44 pm

mooseOAK wrote:The Mitch Marner thread on boredz deserves a lifetime achievement award.


That thread is probably sponsored by the Special O's.
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Post #1081 by mooseOAK » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:58 pm

WTF wrote:
mooseOAK wrote:The Mitch Marner thread on boredz deserves a lifetime achievement award.


That thread is probably sponsored by the Special O's.

It would be nice that they support the less fortunate.
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Post #1082 by LeafErikson » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:02 pm

It's equally as dumb as the people debating who's better between Marner and Nylander.
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Post #1083 by WTF » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:32 pm

I'm hyped to see all of our prospects play. Not just Matthews, Marner, and Nylander but also Brown, Soshnikov, Zaitsev, etc. I want to see how guys like Rychel handle things in our system and if Carrick can keep performing or if Leivo can beat a veteran for a spot on the roster. Maybe evaluate where some AHL guys are at the halfway point of the season.

Rationally, I know we can't load the roster with just prospects and younger players so hopefully our veterans step it up to make the transition easier.
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Post #1084 by clawfirst » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:59 pm

Its nice to actually have 4 legit young pieces. Now we watch it happen...or not.
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Post #1085 by Curry Rage » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:18 am

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Post #1086 by LeafOfBread » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:26 am

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Post #1087 by cawbber » Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:38 pm

My favourite part of this drivel:

"Considering it all, you cannot help but get the feeling Matthews might be a Winnipeg Jet today if any team other than one as desperate for a centre as the Leafs had been picking first overall last summer."

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Post #1088 by paulster » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:03 pm

There isn't a person on this planet that wouldn't have picked Matthews first overall.
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Post #1089 by LeafErikson » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:11 pm

paulster wrote:There isn't a person on this planet that wouldn't have picked Matthews first overall.


I'm not sure about that. I'm fairly certain I remember Bobo saying there were at least two GM's that were picking top ten that had Laine ahead of Matthews. But this dude suggesting the Leafs only took Matthews because they were desperate for a center is fucking ridiculous. And to call Matthews performance last night "meh" is an absurd level of bias against the player.
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Post #1090 by WTF » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:36 pm

paulster wrote:There isn't a person on this planet that wouldn't have picked Matthews first overall.


I'm picturing Laine's parents awkwardly choosing Matthews over their own kid.
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Post #1091 by cawbber » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:42 pm

WTF wrote:
paulster wrote:There isn't a person on this planet that wouldn't have picked Matthews first overall.


I'm picturing Laine's parents awkwardly choosing Matthews over their own kid.

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Post #1092 by paulster » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:03 pm

LeafErikson wrote:
paulster wrote:There isn't a person on this planet that wouldn't have picked Matthews first overall.


I'm not sure about that. I'm fairly certain I remember Bobo saying there were at least two GM's that were picking top ten that had Laine ahead of Matthews. But this dude suggesting the Leafs only took Matthews because they were desperate for a center is fucking ridiculous. And to call Matthews performance last night "meh" is an absurd level of bias against the player.


Nah, I think that was all just some rubbish to sell newspapers, or clicks or whatever.
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Post #1093 by LeafErikson » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:03 pm

paulster wrote:
LeafErikson wrote:
paulster wrote:There isn't a person on this planet that wouldn't have picked Matthews first overall.


I'm not sure about that. I'm fairly certain I remember Bobo saying there were at least two GM's that were picking top ten that had Laine ahead of Matthews. But this dude suggesting the Leafs only took Matthews because they were desperate for a center is fucking ridiculous. And to call Matthews performance last night "meh" is an absurd level of bias against the player.


Nah, I think that was all just some rubbish to sell newspapers, or clicks or whatever.


OK Paul.
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Post #1094 by Philthy Thrillz » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:50 am

So I was reading that Rogers has the power to influence our players toi at the whc.
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Post #1095 by vf » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:09 am

I can just imagine of those greasy suits walking in to Babs' office and telling him how much certain guys need to play.

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Post #1096 by LeafOfBread » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:57 pm



Go to 1:30 :donger:
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Post #1097 by paulster » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:05 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJ8cOkMFUI

Go to 1:30 :donger:


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Re: Differently intelligenced people and hotpaws

Post #1098 by LeafErikson » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:25 pm

Whoever asked that question deserves a punch to the dick.
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Re: Differently intelligenced people and hotpaws

Post #1099 by WTF » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:28 pm

LeafErikson wrote:Whoever asked that question deserves a punch to the dick.


I concur. Also, it should be delivered by this guy:

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Re: Differently intelligenced people and hotpaws

Post #1100 by cawbber » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:01 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:Image

:donger:

What's that's that Winnipeg Free Press?

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