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Post #3501 by Dr_Chimera » Thu May 03, 2018 8:20 pm

Imagine if Lebron leaves Cleveland and they go something like 10-72 without him.
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Post #3502 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu May 03, 2018 8:21 pm

The shots Bron is making are unreal. They took two on our court, lets take two on theirs. lol
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Post #3503 by Dr_Chimera » Thu May 03, 2018 8:24 pm

Those hypodermic chambers or whateverthefuck he uses gotta be good.
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Post #3504 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu May 03, 2018 8:27 pm

Do like that people thought this year would be different
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Post #3505 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu May 03, 2018 8:36 pm

why would you point to their record against LeBron to decide what happens this year? hahaha oafs.
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Post #3506 by Dr_Chimera » Thu May 03, 2018 8:38 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Raptors would be better off playing Cleveland rather than Indiana.


I guess I was way off, but I think Indiana would spank them too. The Pacers showed some grit and heart.
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Post #3507 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu May 03, 2018 8:41 pm

As soon as they punted game one, you knew that was it. They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Knew LeBron would win ONE game in Toronto. Just couldn't be that one.
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Post #3508 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu May 03, 2018 9:43 pm

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Post #3509 by stoney » Fri May 04, 2018 6:24 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:I'm glad that this is more hilarious than heartbreaking.


Every other Friday I have a test during training, so I miss this one. Checked my phone and saw a group chat of LOLs and cursing about being losers.

Hopefully LeBron goes to the west.
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Post #3510 by LeafOfBread » Sun May 06, 2018 1:29 am

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Post #3511 by Dr_Chimera » Sun May 06, 2018 3:03 am

Go Celtics.
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Post #3512 by Balki Bartokomous » Sun May 06, 2018 12:12 pm

I hate that fucker so much. Can't you just miss for once? This series should be 2-1 Toronto with some officiating being called correctly. Love how they've bailed LeBron out twice and followed it up with a "my bad" after the game. First is the goaltending that occurred against Indiana, got away with it scot free. The second is the flagrant on Love in game one, the two points and possession was all the difference in the world. Glad they upgraded it to a flagrant after the game.

This is the worst league in the world, on the surface it looks great, but it's certainly the most corrupt.
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Post #3514 by Dr_Chimera » Mon May 07, 2018 10:44 pm

Look on the bright side. Casey will be gone forever.
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Post #3515 by Balki Bartokomous » Mon May 07, 2018 10:54 pm

This year is so different.
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Post #3516 by Dr_Chimera » Mon May 07, 2018 10:59 pm

Lebron is so tired he has played 40 minutes in a blowout game.
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Post #3517 by AGENT ZERO » Tue May 08, 2018 9:30 am

A retool is in order, the Raptors have to find a way to add a superstar, and build around them. You can't win a Championship with Kyle and Demar as your best players.
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Post #3518 by vf » Wed May 09, 2018 6:53 am

I wonder if they move on from Casey if they turn to Stackhouse before he gets lured out of town.
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Post #3519 by vf » Wed May 09, 2018 6:53 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:A retool is in order, the Raptors have to find a way to add a superstar, and build around them. You can't win a Championship with Kyle and Demar as your best players.


It's what I hate about basketball. You can't do anything until you have a superstar.
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Post #3520 by AGENT ZERO » Wed May 09, 2018 10:28 am

vf wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:A retool is in order, the Raptors have to find a way to add a superstar, and build around them. You can't win a Championship with Kyle and Demar as your best players.


It's what I hate about basketball. You can't do anything until you have a superstar.


It's one of a few reasons that I bandwagon. I've always viewed cheering for a non big market team in the NBA like cheering for a team in Spain other than Real Madrid or Barcelona.
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Post #3521 by LeafOfBread » Wed May 09, 2018 10:46 am



:danson:

Although this isn't the media Coach of the Year award (though IMO peer coach voting holds more weight), has a coach of the year even been fired in the same year?
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Post #3522 by vf » Wed May 09, 2018 10:49 am

Reminds me of AA leaving the Jays.
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Post #3523 by Vector » Wed May 09, 2018 11:15 am

I figure that Nurse will replace Casey.
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Post #3524 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed May 09, 2018 11:51 am

I don't like Casey being let go. They lost to the guy everyone loses to. If he goes out West, stay the fuckin' course.
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Post #3525 by Vector » Wed May 09, 2018 2:25 pm

Can you really justify keeping him around after the exact same result year after year? It’s not a perfect example but the Warriors went from disappointment to unreal by changing their coach (and scheme).
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Post #3526 by LeafOfBread » Wed May 09, 2018 3:08 pm

Vector wrote:Can you really justify keeping him around after the exact same result year after year? It’s not a perfect example but the Warriors went from disappointment to unreal by changing their coach (and scheme).

Speaking of Mark Jackson, any chance he'd return to coaching? I'm surprised nobody hired him after he was let go from GS.
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Post #3527 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed May 09, 2018 3:42 pm

Vector wrote:Can you really justify keeping him around after the exact same result year after year? It’s not a perfect example but the Warriors went from disappointment to unreal by changing their coach (and scheme).


I can if you keep losing to the greatest player of all time. If they didn't play him until round three, might have been different. Of course, the flagrant had to be called and that game goes differently and changes the whole series. I think you can't just get antsy and make a change because of LeBron. The Bulls, the Hawks, and Pacers all destroyed their franchises because of LeBron instead of just sticking with it. Wait until you see what he does in July. If LeBron goes west, keep Casey. I'm not afraid of Philly or Boston.
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Post #3528 by AGENT ZERO » Wed May 09, 2018 4:10 pm

Vector wrote:Can you really justify keeping him around after the exact same result year after year? It’s not a perfect example but the Warriors went from disappointment to unreal by changing their coach (and scheme).


Of course you can, if you think Casey is a good coach it would be idiotic to remove him after this season, especially when the top end talent is lacking. The Golden State example is horrible too, Kerr literally took over at the perfect time, you could have put df in to coach that team and the results would have been positive. There are only a handful of guys that I view as clear upgrades over Casey (Pop, Stevens, Coach K, Calipari and D'Antoni) and none of them are available.
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Post #3529 by AGENT ZERO » Wed May 09, 2018 4:11 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Vector wrote:Can you really justify keeping him around after the exact same result year after year? It’s not a perfect example but the Warriors went from disappointment to unreal by changing their coach (and scheme).


I can if you keep losing to the greatest player of all time. If they didn't play him until round three, might have been different. Of course, the flagrant had to be called and that game goes differently and changes the whole series. I think you can't just get antsy and make a change because of LeBron. The Bulls, the Hawks, and Pacers all destroyed their franchises because of LeBron instead of just sticking with it. Wait until you see what he does in July. If LeBron goes west, keep Casey. I'm not afraid of Philly or Boston.


This is stupid.
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Post #3530 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed May 09, 2018 4:24 pm

You literally said keep Casey a post above, which is what I said you fucking clown.
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Post #3531 by AGENT ZERO » Wed May 09, 2018 4:41 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:You literally said keep Casey a post above, which is what I said you fucking clown.


Your reasoning is idiotic. If Lebron goes out West keep him, otherwise fire him... Good god you are a moron sometimes.
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AGENT ZERO wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:You literally said keep Casey a post above, which is what I said you fucking clown.


Your reasoning is idiotic. If Lebron goes out West keep him, otherwise fire him... Good god you are a moron sometimes.


I meant before making any moves like trading DeMar or Kyle. I'm not advocating firing coach Casey at all. You're such a dumbass.
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Post #3533 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri May 11, 2018 11:24 am

Casey fired. Awful.
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Post #3534 by Transplanted Caper » Fri May 11, 2018 11:25 am

Casey fired, as per Woj.

Seemed like a really good guy. Oh well, maybe they needed a different voice, or a shakeup of some description. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere, soon.
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Post #3535 by AGENT ZERO » Fri May 11, 2018 11:31 am

That is a surprising decision. Casey will be scooped up soon I'm sure.
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Post #3536 by Vector » Fri May 11, 2018 11:35 am

Transplanted Caper wrote:Casey fired, as per Woj.

Seemed like a really good guy. Oh well, maybe they needed a different voice, or a shakeup of some description. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere, soon.


That’s where I’m at. I grew to really like him but they have to make a change and tearing it down is very difficult given that most players don’t get the type of return that you’d expect.
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Post #3537 by AGENT ZERO » Fri May 11, 2018 11:45 am

Vector wrote:
Transplanted Caper wrote:Casey fired, as per Woj.

Seemed like a really good guy. Oh well, maybe they needed a different voice, or a shakeup of some description. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere, soon.


That’s where I’m at. I grew to really like him but they have to make a change and tearing it down is very difficult given that most players don’t get the type of return that you’d expect.


If their big move is to fire the coach they are at best the same team, and very likely even worst than that. The core needs to be upgraded, and that has been evident for years now.
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Post #3538 by Vector » Fri May 11, 2018 12:16 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Vector wrote:
Transplanted Caper wrote:Casey fired, as per Woj.

Seemed like a really good guy. Oh well, maybe they needed a different voice, or a shakeup of some description. Hope he lands on his feet somewhere, soon.


That’s where I’m at. I grew to really like him but they have to make a change and tearing it down is very difficult given that most players don’t get the type of return that you’d expect.


If their big move is to fire the coach they are at best the same team, and very likely even worst than that. The core needs to be upgraded, and that has been evident for years now.


Agreed but instantly trading everyone away for nothing doesn't help. Trades in the NBA are hard and the returns are always underwhelming. The playoffs haven't even ended yet.
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Post #3539 by vf » Fri May 11, 2018 12:38 pm

Unsurprising and unfortunate. Simply upgrading their core is near impossible without just blowing it up and waiting to get lucky in the draft. Still say they turn to Stackhouse.
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Post #3540 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri May 11, 2018 12:50 pm

DeMar for Wiggins

Also, they're thinking Budenholzer.
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Post #3541 by AGENT ZERO » Fri May 11, 2018 1:09 pm

I really, really like Budenholzer.
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Post #3542 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri May 11, 2018 1:30 pm

But what happened to his team when they won 60 and met LeBron?

Like, the Warriors literally had to assemble an Avengers roster to beat LeBron last year. Beating him is no small feat and only a few teams are equipped to handle it.
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Balki Bartokomous wrote:But what happened to his team when they won 60 and met LeBron?

Like, the Warriors literally had to assemble an Avengers roster to beat LeBron last year. Beating him is no small feat and only a few teams are equipped to handle it.


But something needs to change when you see similar collapses in the playoffs. They have the players signed, the coach needs to change.

You can't just throw in the towel because LeBron exists.

Casey didn't get this team over the most important hurdle. A total relapse to gutless play in the playoffs.
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Post #3544 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri May 11, 2018 1:42 pm

stoney wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:But what happened to his team when they won 60 and met LeBron?

Like, the Warriors literally had to assemble an Avengers roster to beat LeBron last year. Beating him is no small feat and only a few teams are equipped to handle it.


But something needs to change when you see similar collapses in the playoffs. They have the players signed, the coach needs to change.

You can't just throw in the towel because LeBron exists.

Casey didn't get this team over the most important hurdle. A total relapse to gutless play in the playoffs.



Relapse after having their heart ripped out in game 1. They took care of Wall and Beal in 6, it was different then. The Cavs team started playing as a team and making their shots in round 2, if they played the way did in round 1, the Raptors beat them. No coach is magically going to make DeRozan a better defensive player. No coach is going to come in and fix Serge Ibaka. If you believe in a culture and building that culture like San Antonio, you stay with Black Pop. They were trying to make the Raptors like a collegiate team, and to do so is continuation with the coach.

Casey was a scapegoat in this situation because it was easier to pin it on him than his players. They only had two more years of Kyle, DeMar and Ibaka. By that time, the young core would be ready to move forward. Finding a superstar is so hard in this league. They can't even get a seat at the table to get one. And the only way they were going to win is by having one. They don't have a single top three pick on the roster and did what they did.

I'll reserve judgment until next year, but in this person's humble opinion, it was the wrong move.
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Post #3545 by AGENT ZERO » Fri May 11, 2018 1:50 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:But what happened to his team when they won 60 and met LeBron?

Like, the Warriors literally had to assemble an Avengers roster to beat LeBron last year. Beating him is no small feat and only a few teams are equipped to handle it.


There isn't a coach in the NBA, including Pop, that is going to push this roster over Lebron. Nor should that be the criteria, a coach is only as good as his roster.
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Post #3546 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri May 11, 2018 1:51 pm

That's what I'm saying. That's why at best it would be a lateral move to move to Budenholzer over Casey. The result will be the same. If the Celts don't make that Brooklyn trade back in the day, who knows where the fuck they are now. Tanking would be the fastest way to get a superstar and they've never been in the top three outside of two or three times by my count. It's been quite the saga.
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Post #3547 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri May 11, 2018 1:59 pm

It's worse than I thought, fellas!

Picks in the first round in history:

first - once
second - once
fourth - twice
fifth - twice
seventh - twice
eighth - twice
ninth - twice

25 first round picks in franchise history, discount the last five years where they've been good and had five first rounders that's 20 first round picks in history while largely bad, they've picked in the top 10, 12 times and in the top three TWICE. That is some bullshit luck. Boston for example has picked top three twice in the last two years thanks to fucking Brooklyn.
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Post #3548 by AGENT ZERO » Fri May 11, 2018 2:04 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:That's what I'm saying. That's why at best it would be a lateral move to move to Budenholzer over Casey. The result will be the same. If the Celts don't make that Brooklyn trade back in the day, who knows where the fuck they are now. Tanking would be the fastest way to get a superstar and they've never been in the top three outside of two or three times by my count. It's been quite the saga.


Budenholzer is a better coach so it's not lateral, it just doesn't push the Raptors into contention.
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Post #3549 by Balki Bartokomous » Fri May 11, 2018 2:06 pm

I don't think he is.
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Post #3550 by Vector » Fri May 11, 2018 2:25 pm

Budenholzer will probably want a lot more say in personnel than he’d get with the Raptors. I do really like him as a coach, though.

I want nothing to do with Wiggins. He’s overpaid and is where DeMarr was at several years ago. Hell, he’s regressing while DeMarr always improved. I’d rather go after Kawhi Leonard if that relationship is fractured.

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