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Post #401 by Dynrehab » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:20 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:Could be for Polak.


I’d be really surprised if they signed Polak. But you never know.
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Post #402 by Dynrehab » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:29 pm

With LTIR I am completely unable to accurately speculate on salary cap issues, but Marinicin at $1.25 is $300 000 or more than a 7th defence man should be.
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Post #404 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:07 pm

Rosen back up with the Leafs. I think Borgman and Rosen rotate.
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Post #407 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:23 pm

So does Pickard replace Mac immediately or remain in the minors for the time being?
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Post #408 by cawbber » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:24 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:So does Pickard replace Mac immediately or remain in the minors for the time being?

I doubt he replaces MAc now - later for sure.

this is smart move. Our depth for goalies on the farm was a definite weakness
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Post #409 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:34 pm

^ Agreed, if Anderson wen't down for any amount of time we were fucked. We will still struggle if that happens, but between Mac and Pickard you can probably survive 10-15 games.
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Post #410 by MonkeyWrench » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:53 pm

Good stuff. Pikard is a great pickup. Not guaranteed to play well, but solid potential there.

If it does work out, it's tough news for Kaskisuo who I thought was deserving of the first call if Andersen got injured.
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Post #411 by stoney » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:54 pm

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AGENT ZERO wrote:So does Pickard replace Mac immediately or remain in the minors for the time being?

I doubt he replaces MAc now - later for sure.

this is smart move. Our depth for goalies on the farm was a definite weakness


Pickard in our system, being down the road, getting the lions share of starts on the Marlie's is exactly what they need. It's probably huge for him too. He will get access to all the resources and coaching he needs to take that next step.

That said. If Mac is shit, then he can pound sand and Pickard is up.
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Post #413 by MonkeyWrench » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:38 pm

The depth of talent this year is like..

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Post #414 by cawbber » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:42 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:The depth of talent this year is like..

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yup and keeping everyone honest.
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Post #415 by cawbber » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:43 pm

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AGENT ZERO wrote:So does Pickard replace Mac immediately or remain in the minors for the time being?

I doubt he replaces MAc now - later for sure.

this is smart move. Our depth for goalies on the farm was a definite weakness


Pickard in our system, being down the road, getting the lions share of starts on the Marlie's is exactly what they need. It's probably huge for him too. He will get access to all the resources and coaching he needs to take that next step.

That said. If Mac is shit, then he can pound sand and Pickard is up.

Exactly. win-win.

Happy to have Pickard in the system. Just what we needed.
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Post #416 by vf » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:57 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:Good stuff. Pikard is a great pickup. Not guaranteed to play well, but solid potential there.

If it does work out, it's tough news for Kaskisuo who I thought was deserving of the first call if Andersen got injured.


Without knowing the advanced numbers on him and going by playing on a dogshit team in Colorado a 914sv% looks pretty damned decent for a younger goalie.
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Post #418 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:40 pm

Yikes. Not ecactly sure what that is but fuck Mc.
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Post #419 by Honus Joglund » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:59 pm

Pickard had a .927 SP in 36 games between 14/15 and 15/16. Last year his numbers dropped to a .902 SP, but the Avs were the worst team in the NHL since the early-2000s Thrashers and Pickard was still Colorado's best goalie, including Varlamov. He's also played for Canada at the last two WHCs and has a combined .944 SP in nine games.

McElhinney is a real good pro, but we've added three really good real good pros with Marleau, Hainsey and Moore. I don't see why we shouldn't go with the younger, more talented guy behind Andersen.
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Post #420 by stoney » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:01 pm

Honus Joglund wrote:Pickard had a .927 SP in 36 games between 14/15 and 15/16. Last year his numbers dropped to a .902 SP, but the Avs were the worst team in the NHL since the early-2000s Thrashers and Pickard was still Colorado's best goalie, including Varlamov. He's also played for Canada at the last two WHCs and has a combined .944 SP in nine games.

McElhinney is a real good pro, but we've added three really good real good pros with Marleau, Hainsey and Moore. I don't see why we shouldn't go with the younger, more talented guy behind Andersen.


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Post #421 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:19 pm

And does he work hard and do good things?
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Post #422 by stoney » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:28 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/916355283366051840


Fehr would be in the line-up if he didn't let Perrault walk him for their second goal. That is seriously accountability
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Post #423 by LeafOfBread » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:52 am

stoney wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/916355283366051840


Fehr would be in the line-up if he didn't let Perrault walk him for their second goal. That is seriously accountability

Not sure that's why he's being taken out, he had a great game otherwise and the D also did not support him there. I think it might be because Babs has still not fully made his mind up on those spots, and he felt Fehr and Borgman would match up better against Winnipeg because of the added size and grit. The Rangers on the other hand are smaller and speedy.
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Post #424 by Whit Dickman » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:00 am

Honus Joglund wrote:Pickard had a .927 SP in 36 games between 14/15 and 15/16. Last year his numbers dropped to a .902 SP, but the Avs were the worst team in the NHL since the early-2000s Thrashers and Pickard was still Colorado's best goalie, including Varlamov. He's also played for Canada at the last two WHCs and has a combined .944 SP in nine games.

McElhinney is a real good pro, but we've added three really good real good pros with Marleau, Hainsey and Moore. I don't see why we shouldn't go with the younger, more talented guy behind Andersen.

I say give him games in the AHL and maybe call him up when Andy needs a break
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Post #425 by Whit Dickman » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:01 am

LeafOfBread wrote:
stoney wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/916355283366051840


Fehr would be in the line-up if he didn't let Perrault walk him for their second goal. That is seriously accountability

Not sure that's why he's being taken out, he had a great game otherwise and the D also did not support him there. I think it might be because Babs has still not fully made his mind up on those spots, and he felt Fehr and Borgman would match up better against Winnipeg because of the added size and grit. The Rangers on the other hand are smaller and speedy.


I think you're correct
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Post #426 by Curry Rage » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:38 am

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Post #427 by stoney » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:17 am

LeafOfBread wrote:
stoney wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/916355283366051840


Fehr would be in the line-up if he didn't let Perrault walk him for their second goal. That is seriously accountability

Not sure that's why he's being taken out, he had a great game otherwise and the D also did not support him there. I think it might be because Babs has still not fully made his mind up on those spots, and he felt Fehr and Borgman would match up better against Winnipeg because of the added size and grit. The Rangers on the other hand are smaller and speedy.


Turns out it was because Fehr is from Winnipeg and Moore played in NY. How about that.
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Post #428 by vf » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:54 am

Honus Joglund wrote:Pickard had a .927 SP in 36 games between 14/15 and 15/16. Last year his numbers dropped to a .902 SP, but the Avs were the worst team in the NHL since the early-2000s Thrashers and Pickard was still Colorado's best goalie, including Varlamov. He's also played for Canada at the last two WHCs and has a combined .944 SP in nine games.

McElhinney is a real good pro, but we've added three really good real good pros with Marleau, Hainsey and Moore. I don't see why we shouldn't go with the younger, more talented guy behind Andersen.


At this point Pickard is going to play more in the AHL. Let him get down there and get re-acquianted with structured hockey and when shit hits the fan he'll be ready.
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Post #429 by Curry Rage » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:51 am

Yeah, I'd let him get a few reps in our system before he hits the NHL club. Just so he knows where the puck is going to be coming from, when it's his job to play the puck on a dump-in, etc.
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Post #430 by cawbber » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:15 am

LeafOfBread wrote:
stoney wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/916355283366051840


Fehr would be in the line-up if he didn't let Perrault walk him for their second goal. That is seriously accountability

Not sure that's why he's being taken out, he had a great game otherwise and the D also did not support him there. I think it might be because Babs has still not fully made his mind up on those spots, and he felt Fehr and Borgman would match up better against Winnipeg because of the added size and grit. The Rangers on the other hand are smaller and speedy.

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Post #431 by Curry Rage » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:10 pm

Yeah, just looks to me like a continuation of preseason. Keep auditioning the fringe guys until someone takes the job outright. On paper, Moore is better qualified to be a 4C in Babs' system but Fehr was noticeable in preseason and adds much needed size.
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Post #432 by Philthy Thrillz » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:15 pm

Moore took some dumb penalties during the presaeason. He'll have to adjust if he wants a spot.
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Post #433 by Curry Rage » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:17 pm

Yeah, he's always been a hacker. "Defense".
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Post #434 by Thomas Malthus » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:33 pm

The accountability this depth provides is pretty refreshing. With the exception of Matt Martin somehow being immune, everyone will be playing because they earned their spot over the others.

How great is it that we're now in a position where most of our discussion about the roster revolves around which depth pieces should be in the lineup or which top nine winger is the odd man out on the fourth line? I remember all too clearly the days where Joey Crabb played with Phil Kessel...
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Post #435 by Honus Joglund » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:46 pm

Babz told the media yesterday that the plan was to rotate Fehr/Moore (and Borgman/Rosen) in the first couple games. He said he decided to use Fehr in Winnipeg because he's from Winnipeg and Moore against the Rangers because he used to play for them. I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue rotating until one of them separates themselves.
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Post #436 by vf » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:48 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:The accountability this depth provides is pretty refreshing. With the exception of Matt Martin somehow being immune, everyone will be playing because they earned their spot over the others.

How great is it that we're now in a position where most of our discussion about the roster revolves around which depth pieces should be in the lineup or which top nine winger is the odd man out on the fourth line? I remember all too clearly the days where Joey Crabb played with Phil Kessel...


Not sure on the Martin disdain. Has he not been as advertised? He knows his game and does it, he's the same guy he was signed as. Not much different then Leivo having a hard time drawing in because he brings more of the same, Martin brings something we are in short supply of. Only surprise for me is he shot dramatically less last season then he has in his entire career.
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Post #437 by stoney » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:06 pm

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Thomas Malthus wrote:The accountability this depth provides is pretty refreshing. With the exception of Matt Martin somehow being immune, everyone will be playing because they earned their spot over the others.

How great is it that we're now in a position where most of our discussion about the roster revolves around which depth pieces should be in the lineup or which top nine winger is the odd man out on the fourth line? I remember all too clearly the days where Joey Crabb played with Phil Kessel...


Not sure on the Martin disdain. Has he not been as advertised? He knows his game and does it, he's the same guy he was signed as. Not much different then Leivo having a hard time drawing in because he brings more of the same, Martin brings something we are in short supply of. Only surprise for me is he shot dramatically less last season then he has in his entire career.


And apparently actively reached out and participated in the rookies lives in a positive way. It is likely part of their consistency and success.
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Post #438 by WTF » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:48 pm

For a grinder, Martin's a fairly decent skater.
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Post #439 by clawfirst » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:14 pm

Having Matt martin as the third 4rth line winger is a fantastic problem. He can slot on a lot of bad teams 3rd line
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Post #440 by Thomas Malthus » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:26 pm

Matt Martin being the extra skater would still be able to impact rookies' lives in a positive way and contribute to their development by setting an example as a real gud pro. In that sense if you want to argue that having him on the roster is beneficial, I can see where you're coming from. So, I'm willing to listen to arguments in favour of paying his cap hit to have him on the roster to act as team dad but to me there's no reason for him to take a regular shift when we have Kapanen, Leivo, and Sosh who could all be NHL regulars and better contributors in the ice.

clawfirst wrote:Having Matt martin as the third 4rth line winger is a fantastic problem. He can slot on a lot of bad teams 3rd line


Maybe those teams are bad, in part because of their willingness to play guys like Martin on their third lines. :wink:
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Post #441 by Curry Rage » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:13 pm

Which one of those three will make opposing defensemen play the game bruised from the last time he came around?
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Post #442 by Curry Rage » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:22 pm

And are we really arguing about the 4th line again?


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Post #443 by vf » Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:06 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:Matt Martin being the extra skater would still be able to impact rookies' lives in a positive way and contribute to their development by setting an example as a real gud pro. In that sense if you want to argue that having him on the roster is beneficial, I can see where you're coming from. So, I'm willing to listen to arguments in favour of paying his cap hit to have him on the roster to act as team dad but to me there's no reason for him to take a regular shift when we have Kapanen, Leivo, and Sosh who could all be NHL regulars and better contributors in the ice.

clawfirst wrote:Having Matt martin as the third 4rth line winger is a fantastic problem. He can slot on a lot of bad teams 3rd line


Maybe those teams are bad, in part because of their willingness to play guys like Martin on their third lines. :wink:


As I previously stated, he brings something to the table that we lack. Much the opposite of Leivo who brings something we have an abundance of.
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Post #444 by Cunning Stunt II » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:56 am

Holy fucking snapping assholes. We could have traded Dougie Gilmour for Markus Naslund (this info is from Gilmour's new book) back in 1997. Imagine Naslund playing with Sundin instead of Jonas fucking Hoglund! (Dougie turned the trade down because he did not want to be traded so far from Toronto)

PS: We all know that is code for "fuck the Canuckleheads, POS city.

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Post #445 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:10 am

Cunning Stunt II wrote:Holy fucking snapping assholes. We could have traded Dougie Gilmour for Markus Naslund (this info is from Gilmour's new book) back in 1997. Imagine Naslund playing with Sundin instead of Jonas fucking Hoglund! (Dougie turned the trade down because he did not want to be traded so far from Toronto)

PS: We all know that is code for "fuck the Canuckleheads, POS city.

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Wow, that could've been huge. At his absolute peak Naslund was a top 3 player in the world.
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Post #446 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:31 pm



I'm liking Hainsey more and more.
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Post #447 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm

Bobby Mac was just on Leafs Overdrive and said JVR really wants to stay in Toronto and may be amenable to an 8 year deal to drive down the cap hit. Interesting if true, I always assumed JVR would be a cap casualty this summer, but if he is willing to do 8 years at like 4M does he become an option? Moreover, is it worth it for the Leafs to explore such a deal or is that too long a term?
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Post #448 by Philthy Thrillz » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:48 pm

Id sign him to that deal I think. 25 to 30 goals for 4 mill, thats a great deal.
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Post #449 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:55 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Id sign him to that deal I think. 25 to 30 goals for 4 mill, thats a great deal.


It's a great deal for the first half of the contract, but how effective is JVR going to be post 30? He is a one dimensional player now, if he loses 10-15 points he becomes a dime a dozen player or worst. If the Leafs are going to go all in for the next few years at the expense of the future like the Hawks I'd prefer to drop Komarov, JVR and Bozak and go after JT.
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Re: ongoing transactions fred 2017-2018

Post #450 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:00 pm

I don't really like JVR much anymore, nor do I feel good about the idea of keeping both him and Bozak, one of them has to go for sure. That line is porous defensively and I'm sick of watching him fuck the dog with his constant flybys. It sucks because the guy oozes talent and could be a serious game breaker if he tried harder.

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