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Post #551 by edgar_dong » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:14 pm

Zardoz wrote:Closest thing we have to Danny Markov today.


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Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #552 by Zardoz » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:45 pm

Danny boy. Fuckin' ledge.
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Post #553 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:29 pm

Zardoz wrote:I love Polak. You guys can fuck off with your negativity...

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I didn't mind him in the second half of last year actually, but I'm not optimistic about him returning to that form after breaking his leg. I think this will be like the Robidas situation again.
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Post #554 by clawfirst » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:37 pm

I think hes gonna take 5 minor penalties tonight for slashing and look awful. But when the games matter and the rule book is cut in half hes gonna be needed
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Post #555 by LeafOfBread » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:42 pm

clawfirst wrote:I think hes gonna take 5 minor penalties tonight for slashing and look awful. But when the games matter and the rule book is cut in half hes gonna be needed

Yeah I'll be surprised if he finishes this game with less than 4 PIM lol
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Post #556 by mooseOAK » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:43 pm

I have him tripping and falling at least once.
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Post #557 by clawfirst » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:44 pm

mooseOAK wrote:I have him tripping and falling at least once.

Pfft he did that before the injury.


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Post #558 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:51 am

Excerpt from Avery's book where he talks about Babcock:

There is one very good thing about Cincinnati and that is our coach, Mike Babcock. No one knew then that he would go on to be a superstar in his own right, winning Stanley Cups and World Cups and Olympic gold medals. We just knew he was a no-nonsense Saskatchewan boy who could play the game well enough to know his way around the minors.
Babcock is not a giant—six feet, about 220 pounds—but he has a gigantic presence, and during my time in Cincinnati he was like a lunatic compared to what any of us had been used to. I had never seen a coach like him before, had never seen players respond to or fear a coach like they did Babs.

We were mesmerized by him as a group, because while his professional hockey résumé wasn’t anything to humble us, his coaching ascent was incredible. I don’t think anyone has risen so fast to the top as Babs did, and that’s because he knew what he wanted and he had the talent to get it out of his players. He was focused on bringing it every single day, and he was as hard as he wanted to be on us, because he was just as hard on himself. He was being judged not just on his coaching but on his development of us, on making sure that the big club’s investment in us would pay off. I really liked him, and saw my time in Cincinnati as a kind of blessing.

Mike Babcock was a great teacher. We listened to him, even if we didn't always understand him. He’d speak of “tracking through the middle,” and we’d be scratching our heads. Then he’d explain. “Think of yourselves as a laser beaming in on the puck—you attack it and steal it back, like a thief.” The possession game was his baby, and he made you see it in your mind’s eye so you could do it on the ice. He wasn’t trying to teach us to be like Gretzky; he was trying to teach us to see the game like Gretzky saw it. He walked us through visualizing the whole game before we played it. He was brilliant.
Babs was also a kind of pioneer, since he was at the beginning of the wave of young coaches coming from the American League to the NHL. Before that, NHL teams who had fired their coach and needed another one would just recycle some old crony they’d played with back in the days of black-and-white TVs.
And the reason players feared Babs was that he coached us all on level ice. By that I mean he didn’t care if you were a first-round pick or not drafted at all. What he cared about was how serious you were about being the best that you could be, and if you dogged it, he’d bury you deep in the minors. He was coaching to win.

I think Babcock took his AHL responsibilities more seriously than any other AHL coach did. He was thinking big things. Of course, I wasn’t thinking that he’d be a great NHL coach someday because I didn’tknow what a great NHL coach was at that point. But I was going to learn soon enough.
One day after a practice in Cincinnati, as I’m heading off the ice sweaty and exhausted, Mike Babcock pulls me aside. “You’re going back to Detroit, Aves,” he says, as if this is a regular thing. I found Babs’s timing hilarious, as he ground me through an AHL practice first, when clearly he already knew I was going up to the NHL. He was putting his stamp on the product that he was sending up to the big leagues. He was trying to make me a better player, and also, to protect his own reputation. That’s classic Babs.
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Post #559 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:07 am

Aves needs an editor, but otherwise cool piece.
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Post #561 by paulster » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:57 pm

Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264


I need names.
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Post #562 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:59 pm

Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264

Probably some combination of Holland, Corrado and Cowen. Potentially Laich and Michalek also, though Laich has found his way back into the NHL.

On another note

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Post #563 by stoney » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:24 pm

Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264


That seems like a very small excerpt if he did say it. He's never one to beat down on guys
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Post #564 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:40 pm

paulster wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264


I need names.


Francis Giuseppe Salvatore Corrado.
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Post #565 by LeafOfBread » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:44 pm

stoney wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264


That seems like a very small excerpt if he did say it. He's never one to beat down on guys

I think it might have been in relation to a question about Leivo or something like that. I read somewhere that he was praising Leivo for having a good attitude and being a good pro etc so maybe he meant it as a contrast.
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Post #566 by mooseOAK » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:53 pm

paulster wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264


I need names.

Not Richard Panik or Brooks Laich.
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Post #567 by vf » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:59 pm

paulster wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264


I need names.


LoB's probably write with Holland and Corrado. It's just happenstance that neither are currently in the NHL.

Michalek and Laich seemed like good pro's whose bodies had just broken down too far.

Cowen is a whiner, but, he never saw mich of the Leafs pressbox.
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Post #568 by Curry Rage » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:06 pm

I think Panik was just one of those things. He seemed to be stuck in neutral here and they were clearing out guys from the previous regime. I don't recall him doing a lot to make many consider him untouchable. You can't get every prediction right. He's made a career for himself. Fair play.
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Post #569 by vf » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:15 pm

And at least we got Ben Smith out of the Panik dealings... :suicide:
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Post #570 by Dynrehab » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:37 pm

“I won’t say that it never crossed my mind, but I never believed in it,” said Laich. “I believed I still had a voice in the conversation. My health is 100 percent, which is a big factor, had some great development with Mike Ellis last year with the Marlies.

“(I) put in hours with skills coaches before practice, after practice. The thing with not playing a lot of games is it affords you a lot of time to practice, develop and re-introduce elements to my game that maybe slipped out.”


Rather than sulk while buried in the AHL, Laich said he tried to turn the demotion into a positive while looking ahead to the off-season and putting himself in the best position to earn another NHL contract.

“With the situation the way it was, I sort of was really looking ahead to the future and also at the same time using the skills coaches Mike Ellis I leaned on a lot to develop and re-introduce elements to my game that had maybe fall out and also to continue to learn, grow and develop and where the NHL is trending some areas I can improve on."
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Post #571 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:43 pm

stoney wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264


That seems like a very small excerpt if he did say it. He's never one to beat down on guys


Agreed. Even if he was tongue in cheek referring to Corrado, coaches and management had nothing but good things to say about his motivation and attitude while he was in the press box/ahl.
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Post #572 by stoney » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:51 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:
stoney wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/mirtle/status/923219849844875264


That seems like a very small excerpt if he did say it. He's never one to beat down on guys


Agreed. Even if he was tongue in cheek referring to Corrado, coaches and management had nothing but good things to say about his motivation and attitude while he was in the press box/ahl.


Well I saw the clip. He did say it, but he was referring to Leivo having a good attitude.

Mirtle is getting hits posting that sound bite out of context.
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Post #573 by Curry Rage » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:25 am

stoney wrote:
MonkeyWrench wrote:
stoney wrote:
That seems like a very small excerpt if he did say it. He's never one to beat down on guys


Agreed. Even if he was tongue in cheek referring to Corrado, coaches and management had nothing but good things to say about his motivation and attitude while he was in the press box/ahl.


Well I saw the clip. He did say it, but he was referring to Leivo having a good attitude.

Mirtle is getting hits posting that sound bite out of context.


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Post #574 by LeafOfBread » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:48 pm

Not a feschuk fan by any means but good read nonetheless

Wednesday was a rare day in Leafland. On a team that’s remained remarkably healthy of late, a regular contributor was injured and not available for practice.

The absentee was James van Riemsdyk, who clearly suffered some level of hurt in Monday’s 3-2 win over the L.A. Kings. In that game van Riemsdyk gingerly dragged himself to his feet after an awkward, legs-splayed collision with L.A.’s Trevor Lewis.

Whether van Riemsdyk did damage to a knee or a hip or a groin — well, per the NHL tradition of minimal disclosure, nobody connected to the club was saying. Still, van Riemsdyk did skate in Monday’s game after the incident. And on Wednesday, Leafs coach Mike Babcock said he expected van Riemsdyk to be available for Thursday’s home game against the Carolina Hurricanes, even if the coach acknowledged that the player’s availability could not be considered a sure thing.

More than a couple of Maple Leafs surveyed were sure about at least one thing: Whatever it was that ailed their teammate, its effects had likely been minimized by van Riemsdyk’s keen attention to off-ice lifestyle. Diet, training, recovery, sleep — name a health-and-wellness buzzword and it’s a good bet van Riemsdyk has spent time investigating whether or not it could help him in his pursuit of becoming a better hockey player.

“JVR does a lot of stuff to take care of himself,” Frederik Andersen, the Leafs goaltender, was saying Wednesday. “Who knows what (his injury) might be? But it could have been worse, or it could have been different, if he didn’t do all that stuff.”

Van Riemsdyk was speaking about this very topic last week, rapping his knuckles on the wooden bench of his dressing room stall — literally touching wood — as he acknowledged the Maple Leafs have been a remarkably injury-free operation over the last while. The team’s run in the pink has, perhaps not by accident, coincided with president Brendan Shanahan’s investment in a sports science department meant to maximize on-ice wins and minimize man-game losses.

“Everyone seems to think it’s luck when you stay healthy and unlucky when you get hurt,” said Andersen. “But I think it’s just as much the things you do. . . . You’ve got to put yourself in a position to be a healthy player.”

The breadth of the team’s efforts to put each Leaf in such a position is too expansive to catalogue here. It includes everything from a GPS tracking system worn in practice that can help the team detect the warning signs of overuse injuries, to the gamut of therapeutic training-room accessories. There are hot tubs and cold tubs and cryotherapy chambers, physiotherapists and chiropractors and doctors. There are nutritionist-approved meals at the ready. The list goes on and on.

Patrick Marleau, the Leafs winger who recently celebrated his 1,500th NHL game, said the science behind the game has “evolved quite a bit” since he entered the league a couple of decades ago.

“I think especially with the sports science team here, they’ve got a good handle on (injury) prevention, seeing the patterns on how people get hurt, get worn down over time, and they try and stay on top of it,” Marleau said. “I think they’re in touch with the coaches, as far as when to practise hard, maybe when to ease back a little bit.”

Some players leave it to the team to dictate how to navigate a typical day as a pro. Leafs forward Matt Martin said the team’s training-room staff is proactive in its approach — seeking out trouble spots before they turn into injuries. Tight hip muscles, for instance, are an occupational hazard among hockey players that can lead to a chain of unwanted side effects.

“If you have a tight hip, your groin starts working harder to protect that. And that’s generally when you get a groin pull,” Martin said. “It’s about making sure your body’s moving the right way.”

Van Riemsdyk is among a group of enthusiasts who, along with benefitting from the franchise’s investment in high-end performance, spends considerable personal time reading widely and experimenting broadly on how to gain small performance edges while remaining healthy.

“The JVRs of the world go into that stuff a bit deeper than I do,” said Morgan Rielly, the veteran defenceman.

Van Riemsdyk, speaking last week, acknowledged there’s clearly luck involved in an NHLer’s edge walk with health-related disaster. Still, randomness doesn’t explain every outcome.

“If you do the right things off the ice, you’re able to be more adaptable in those (precarious) situations,” he said. “If you hit a rut in the ice, or you get hit into the boards, your body’s able to respond a little better than it might if you’re not taking care of yourself.”

In other words, if van Riemsdyk hadn’t, say, spent the past few summers working on the finer points of speed and agility and efficient movement with Andy O’Brien — the sports-performance specialist best known as Sidney Crosby’s trainer — it’s possible van Riemsdyk’s Monday-night collision with Lewis could have been worse.

“For me, my day doesn’t end when I leave the rink. There’s lots of stuff I’m looking into, trying out,” van Riemsdyk said. “It’s a hobby, sure. It’s a passion.”

Speaking across the dressing room, defenceman Connor Carrick echoed van Riemsdyk’s comments.

“I think about (preventing injury) constantly,” said Carrick. “I think of it as a way of life, because I’m trying to build good habits post-career. . . . Like, having a salad for lunch is what a human should do. Not just a hockey player. Like, get some greens in. Don’t eat pizza, dessert, sugar, all that.”

Van Riemsdyk is usually loath to identify specifics of his regimen; it’s a competitive business, so he prefers to “keep what works from me to myself.” But diet is clearly a performance-related fixation. A while back, in a rare candid moment, he acknowledged he once underwent testing to determine various food intolerances. Eggs, it turned out, didn’t agree with him.

But the recipe for health and longevity varies for everyone.

“For one guy, maybe it’s a little more time in the gym, for another, maybe it’s a little more recovery work, a little more treatment (from a therapist),” van Riemsdyk said.

“There’s always going to be bumps and bruises throughout the year. But if you’re in a better spot to handle that stuff, just because you’re better prepared, it makes a big difference, touch wood,” he said. “The teams that always win are usually the teams that are healthiest at the end of the year. So that’s a big advantage if you can figure out how to get there.”
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Post #575 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:35 pm

Morgan Rielly does not come across as the sharpest tool in the tool-box.
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AGENT ZERO wrote:Morgan Rielly does not come across as the sharpest tool in the tool-box.

Why do you think that? He actually comes across as one of the smarter and more mature Leafs to me.
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Post #577 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:25 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Morgan Rielly does not come across as the sharpest tool in the tool-box.

Why do you think that? He actually comes across as one of the smarter and more mature Leafs to me.


It's not one thing, just a general impression I have gotten from him over the years. He says "stuff" alot, and deflects many questions by stating that he doesn't "get into that stuff that deeply". Once or twice is fine, but when you say it as often as Rielly does I can't help but wonder if he looks into anything deeply. There was also the incident the other day when he said he doesn't really like corsi, and then a few questions later admitted that he doesn't fully understand what corsi is. There have been other stuff too, but honestly I've forgotten many of them.
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Post #578 by paulster » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:07 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Morgan Rielly does not come across as the sharpest tool in the tool-box.

Why do you think that? He actually comes across as one of the smarter and more mature Leafs to me.


It's not one thing, just a general impression I have gotten from him over the years. He says "stuff" alot, and deflects many questions by stating that he doesn't "get into that stuff that deeply". Once or twice is fine, but when you say it as often as Rielly does I can't help but wonder if he looks into anything deeply. There was also the incident the other day when he said he doesn't really like corsi, and then a few questions later admitted that he doesn't fully understand what corsi is. There have been other stuff too, but honestly I've forgotten many of them.


Does he think Nelson Mandela is one of the greatest goalies of all time?
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AGENT ZERO wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Morgan Rielly does not come across as the sharpest tool in the tool-box.

Why do you think that? He actually comes across as one of the smarter and more mature Leafs to me.


It's not one thing, just a general impression I have gotten from him over the years. He says "stuff" alot, and deflects many questions by stating that he doesn't "get into that stuff that deeply". Once or twice is fine, but when you say it as often as Rielly does I can't help but wonder if he looks into anything deeply. There was also the incident the other day when he said he doesn't really like corsi, and then a few questions later admitted that he doesn't fully understand what corsi is. There have been other stuff too, but honestly I've forgotten many of them.

Fred Andersen wrote:JVR does a lot of stuff to take care of himself,” Frederik Andersen, the Leafs goaltender, was saying Wednesday. “Who knows what (his injury) might be? But it could have been worse, or it could have been different, if he didn’t do all that stuff.”

This quote was stuffed with stuffs!
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Post #580 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:26 pm

Freddie also doesn't speak english as a first language.
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Post #581 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:27 pm

paulster wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:Why do you think that? He actually comes across as one of the smarter and more mature Leafs to me.


It's not one thing, just a general impression I have gotten from him over the years. He says "stuff" alot, and deflects many questions by stating that he doesn't "get into that stuff that deeply". Once or twice is fine, but when you say it as often as Rielly does I can't help but wonder if he looks into anything deeply. There was also the incident the other day when he said he doesn't really like corsi, and then a few questions later admitted that he doesn't fully understand what corsi is. There have been other stuff too, but honestly I've forgotten many of them.


Does he think Nelson Mandela is one of the greatest goalies of all time?


Well, I didn't say he was retarded lol.
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Post #582 by clawfirst » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:53 pm

Most elite canadian hockey players are barely educated.
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Post #583 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:17 pm

Which is shocking to me because many of them come from rich families and have been private schooled most of their lives.
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Post #584 by clawfirst » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:32 pm

Lol...ya so thats a pretend thing that private schooling. It'sa means to get the paper work while training for hockey from age 12ish through junior.

As opposed to the murrican system where they are in prep school into uni path.
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Post #585 by clawfirst » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:34 pm

And to be honest...even in moderate lvls of hockey as i grew up. Most guys are just really really dumb
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Post #586 by clawfirst » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:35 pm

Its what makes us manly men
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Post #587 by vf » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:38 pm

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AGENT ZERO wrote:Morgan Rielly does not come across as the sharpest tool in the tool-box.

Why do you think that? He actually comes across as one of the smarter and more mature Leafs to me.


It's not one thing, just a general impression I have gotten from him over the years. He says "stuff" alot, and deflects many questions by stating that he doesn't "get into that stuff that deeply". Once or twice is fine, but when you say it as often as Rielly does I can't help but wonder if he looks into anything deeply. There was also the incident the other day when he said he doesn't really like corsi, and then a few questions later admitted that he doesn't fully understand what corsi is. There have been other stuff too, but honestly I've forgotten many of them.


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Post #588 by clawfirst » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:45 pm

Also to be fair...even as an uneducated drop out i find most people stupid.
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Post #589 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:58 pm

clawfirst wrote:Also to be fair...even as an uneducated drop out i find most people stupid.


That is because most people are in fact very stupid.
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Post #590 by paulster » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:02 pm

To paraphrase the late George Carlin, “think about how stupid the average person is. Now think about how half the population is stupider than that.”
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Post #591 by Curry Rage » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:56 am




I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that exposure to Carlin when I was about 12 was key in developing my entire view of the world.
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Post #592 by vf » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:15 am

I didn't get cable until I was 14. This show helped me along.

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Post #593 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:31 pm

This is actually good news because there is no way Andersen can continue to be this bad on low danger shots moving forward. The numbers will eventually regress towards his career averages.

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Post #594 by mooseOAK » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:08 pm

2007-08 was probably Toskala.
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Post #595 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:18 pm

I wouldn't bet against that.
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Post #596 by Curry Rage » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:50 pm

Not saying, but that was the last time we grabbed a 1B/backup from a California team in the hopes that he would flourish as the main dude.

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Post #597 by mooseOAK » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:12 pm

Good news is that they don't have any more teams.
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Post #598 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:32 am

Kappy up after Fehr cleared.
Doubt he gets any game time. Just insurance.
Likely means Jvr is out though.
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Post #599 by Philthy Thrillz » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:21 am

Leivo playing tonight? Did he play last game?
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Post #600 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:33 pm

JVR played last game PT

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