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Post #751 by LeafOfBread » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:28 pm

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LeafOfBread wrote:In general the team appears to be worse relative to a year ago. The defense is a bit better and that's reflected in the lower CA/60, but the offense is very inconsistent and it seems like for large stretches they are just chasing the puck. I would love to read a cowrage breakdown of what the team is doing differently


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LeafOfBread wrote:In general the team appears to be worse relative to a year ago. The defense is a bit better and that's reflected in the lower CA/60, but the offense is very inconsistent and it seems like for large stretches they are just chasing the puck. I would love to read a cowrage breakdown of what the team is doing differently


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Post #753 by Thomas Malthus » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:16 pm

I'd be really interested to see what's going on with Nylander and Marner's zone exit and entry stats this year versus last year. To me that's where it looks like their play is different. Sure they've been unlucky in the offensive zone but their play in the offensive zone doesn't look toooo different. I really think that it has to do with their neutral zone play, like they're not making clean passes or weaving through traffic like they were and our zone exits in general have been god awful.
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Post #754 by Dynrehab » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:48 am

Thomas Malthus wrote:I'd be really interested to see what's going on with Nylander and Marner's zone exit and entry stats this year versus last year. To me that's where it looks like their play is different. Sure they've been unlucky in the offensive zone but their play in the offensive zone doesn't look toooo different. I really think that it has to do with their neutral zone play, like they're not making clean passes or weaving through traffic like they were and our zone exits in general have been god awful.


Teams have adjusted?
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Post #755 by LeafOfBread » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:19 am

Thomas Malthus wrote:I'd be really interested to see what's going on with Nylander and Marner's zone exit and entry stats this year versus last year. To me that's where it looks like their play is different. Sure they've been unlucky in the offensive zone but their play in the offensive zone doesn't look toooo different. I really think that it has to do with their neutral zone play, like they're not making clean passes or weaving through traffic like they were and our zone exits in general have been god awful.

Nylander's zone entries and exits are as good as ever IMO. The issue is more with what he's doing with the puck once he creates that space. His shot selection recently has been questionable and it seems like he's not making the smartest passes either. He also doesn't seem to be confident right now, it was absolutely infuriating when in OT against the Flames he had a clean break on his forehand and he randomly decided to curl back instead of going for the shot. Babcock's fuckery with his linemates certainly isn't helping either.
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Post #756 by MonkeyWrench » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:42 pm

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Thomas Malthus wrote:He also doesn't seem to be confident right now, it was absolutely infuriating when in OT against the Flames he had a clean break on his forehand and he randomly decided to curl back instead of going for the shot. Babcock's fuckery with his linemates certainly isn't helping either.


He's got the 'ol knads bug (occasionally). Being in a good place to shoot and taking the biggest drag/draw back to fire one off. By that time either the rough ice makes an appearance, or someone going for the poke check.
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Post #757 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:46 am

So what would you give up for Karlsson?
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Post #758 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:03 am

I'd probably go as high as Marner if it came with an extension, but I'd push for a large package of pucks and lesser prospects instead. Say Leivo + Liljegren + 1st
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Post #759 by Curry Rage » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:34 am

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Post #760 by Whit Dickman » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:41 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:I'd probably go as high as Marner if it came with an extension, but I'd push for a large package of pucks and lesser prospects instead. Say Leivo + Liljegren + 1st

For Karlsson?!? Gonna cost way more than that

Marner/Nylander, Liljegren, 1st (if he came with extension)

But the leafs should just wait for UFA
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Post #761 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:52 am

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:I'd probably go as high as Marner if it came with an extension, but I'd push for a large package of pucks and lesser prospects instead. Say Leivo + Liljegren + 1st

For Karlsson?!? Gonna cost way more than that

Marner/Nylander, Liljegren, 1st (if he came with extension)

But the leafs should just wait for UFA


I would push for now if the sens were trading him because you get his age 27 and 28 seasons and I wouldn't want to risk him resigning with the team that does trade for him.
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Post #762 by paulster » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:25 pm

Why do we want a Swedish defensive liability that is always injured and hasn't been the same since his foot fell apart? Because he can pass and score? That's fun, but no thanks. It will cost too much - let someone else pony up the assets to secure this declining player.
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Post #763 by mooseOAK » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:35 pm

Karlsson has said he wants to test the market so if he isn’t a rental it will be $10 million a year or so to keep him.
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Post #764 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:53 pm

paulster wrote:Why do we want a Swedish defensive liability that is always injured and hasn't been the same since his foot fell apart? Because he can pass and score? That's fun, but no thanks. It will cost too much - let someone else pony up the assets to secure this declining player.


Defensive liability? No offense Paul, but you are way off base here. Karlsson is far and away the best driver of play from the back end in the league. When he is on the ice play is heavily tilted in Ottawa's favor. He is amazing without the puck too, as demonstrated by the fact that Ottawa gives up far less GA/60 and xGA with him than without him.

With respect to injuries, this is a guy that came back from an achilles tear to score 70 and then lead the sens to within one game of the cup finals with a broken ankle. That is one of things that I find so appealing about Karlsson, not only has he demonstrated that he can play through pain, but that he can elevate his game in spite of it. He's also on pace for another 60+ point season, if that is what his decline is going to look like then sign me up.
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Post #765 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:57 pm

mooseOAK wrote:Karlsson has said he wants to test the market so if he isn’t a rental it will be $10 million a year or so to keep him.


Worth it.
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Post #766 by clawfirst » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:15 pm

Yeah he's not terrible defensively anymore. He is a risk taker and will occasionally pay for it...but worth it.
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Post #767 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:50 pm

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mooseOAK wrote:Karlsson has said he wants to test the market so if he isn’t a rental it will be $10 million a year or so to keep him.


Worth it.


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Post #768 by Whit Dickman » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:26 pm

paulster wrote:Why do we want a Swedish defensive liability that is always injured and hasn't been the same since his foot fell apart? Because he can pass and score? That's fun, but no thanks. It will cost too much - let someone else pony up the assets to secure this declining player.


always injured? He missed a total of 5 games in the 4 seasons prior to this. That's 98.5% of the time that he was healthy, paulie old boy.

could you imagine our offense if we had Karlsson on the back end? Our PP would be absolutely disgusting. Particularly if we got him as a UFA.
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Post #769 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:32 pm

This essentially matches what my eyes see, we are a lethal offensive club that still struggles defensively, but are receiving much better goaltending than a year ago. Karlsson would help with that :wink:

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Post #770 by mooseOAK » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:39 pm

Went from 13th to 2nd in whatever PDO is.
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Post #771 by LeafOfBread » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:42 pm

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paulster wrote:Why do we want a Swedish defensive liability that is always injured and hasn't been the same since his foot fell apart? Because he can pass and score? That's fun, but no thanks. It will cost too much - let someone else pony up the assets to secure this declining player.


always injured? He missed a total of 5 games in the 4 seasons prior to this. That's 98.5% of the time that he was healthy, paulie old boy.

could you imagine our offense if we had Karlsson on the back end? Our PP would be absolutely disgusting. Particularly if we got him as a UFA.

The transition game he would bring..... :ferreturbation:
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Post #772 by LeafOfBread » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:45 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:This essentially matches what my eyes see, we are a lethal offensive club that still struggles defensively, but are receiving much better goaltending than a year ago. Karlsson would help with that :wink:


Interesting, I thought we had slipped in xGF but were a bit better in xGA (since the team's CA/60 has improved). Guess not. CF overall seems to be much worse though.
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Post #773 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:50 pm

mooseOAK wrote:Went from 13th to 2nd in whatever PDO is.


PDO, called SPSV% by the NHL, is the sum of a team's shooting percentage and its save percentage. PDO is usually measured at even strength, and based on the theory that most teams will ultimately regress toward a sum of 100, is often viewed as a proxy for how lucky a team is.
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Post #774 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:32 pm

Our sv% is top 10 but our sh% is tops. Given the relationship between shots and sh% I'd expect our CF% to rebound as our PDO regresses. At the individual level Marner and Nylander should expect to score some goals going forward since their sh% are both very low given their talent and usage.
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Post #775 by Dynrehab » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:42 pm

mooseOAK wrote:Karlsson has said he wants to test the market so if he isn’t a rental it will be $10 million a year or so to keep him.


Easily gets $12 million, I think.
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Post #776 by clawfirst » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:56 pm

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Post #777 by paulster » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:19 pm

Okay then. Consider for the first time in history someone has had their opinion changed on the internet.

Let’s get Karlsson!
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Post #778 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:12 pm

Pretty neat: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017 ... han-horton

The consensus seems to be that we're playing pretty shitty hockey compared to what's possible lately but are still winning. Do we start playing up to the potential the team has (shifting CF% back to where it was last year and SCF% back to where it was earlier in the season) and continue winning? Or do we stop getting our timely scoring and lights out goaltending and start losing?
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Post #779 by Dynrehab » Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:22 am

Why wouldn’t teams eat a bit on a buyout instead of paying a huge chunk to Horton? The cap space is minimal difference at that point, but the actual dollars is huge.
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Post #780 by Whit Dickman » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:59 am

Thomas Malthus wrote:Pretty neat: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017 ... han-horton

The consensus seems to be that we're playing pretty shitty hockey compared to what's possible lately but are still winning. Do we start playing up to the potential the team has (shifting CF% back to where it was last year and SCF% back to where it was earlier in the season) and continue winning? Or do we stop getting our timely scoring and lights out goaltending and start losing?

Well, the December schedule isn't going to do us any favors.
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Post #781 by paulster » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:04 am

Thomas Malthus wrote:Pretty neat: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017 ... han-horton

The consensus seems to be that we're playing pretty shitty hockey compared to what's possible lately but are still winning. Do we start playing up to the potential the team has (shifting CF% back to where it was last year and SCF% back to where it was earlier in the season) and continue winning? Or do we stop getting our timely scoring and lights out goaltending and start losing?


They will lose a few, and they have the talent and coaching needed to adjust and get better.
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Post #782 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:37 pm

I'd really like to get your guys thoughts on this Mike Kelly piece. Essentially he breakdowns how the Leafs have traded more rush opportunities and controlled entries for more dump ins and fewer controlled entries against, particularly off the rush.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/statscentre-less-is-more-for-maple-leafs~1280957
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Post #784 by LeafOfBread » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:31 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:https://twitter.com/MikeKellyNHL/status/940382484004528130




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Post #785 by stoney » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:30 am

Why does he need to be such a dickhead? He's definitely the guy who gets punched in the face over a simple disagreement.
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Post #786 by stoney » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:33 am

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AGENT ZERO wrote:https://twitter.com/MikeKellyNHL/status/940382484004528130







I imagine this when you guys link some of these twitter goofs posts

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Post #787 by LeafOfBread » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:48 am

stoney wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:https://twitter.com/MikeKellyNHL/status/940382484004528130







I imagine this when you guys link some of these twitter goofs posts

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While I enjoy my stats, I am not a Burtch fan. Approach is important and if you're constantly a prick it's certainly not endearing. I posted those tweets more for the numbers than anything else.

That's why I hate PPP as well, despite them being one of the first Leafs stats-oriented blogs it seems like most of the writers on that website are condescending douches.
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Post #788 by stoney » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:10 am

Yeah everyone here is pretty reasonable. But I guess you need to make noise on the internet to get noticed...
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Post #789 by Curry Rage » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:41 am

Stoked that the Leaf-o-sphere is back to arguing about shots, etc. Just like old times. Wonder what the updated synonym for "unsustainable" will be this time around? Will they call for Babcock's head like they did Randy's? Is Babs now a bad coach who's resumé was only fluffed by an accidental Cup win with a stacked roster and coaching an All-Star team to Olympic Gold? Or will more nuanced takes find their way into the dialogue?
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Post #790 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:02 pm

We can talk all day about whether or not Babs is making mistakes with Polak over Carrick, Martin over Leivo, or putting Brown with Matthews instead of Nylander. If you think those are the problems with the team then you're living in la-la land.

I think the crux of the problem this season comes down to four players: Bozak, Komarov, Gardiner, and Zaitsev.

Last season we were threatening with our depth—line up your best defenders against Matthews? That's cool. We'll stick Kadri on your top forwards and the Bozak line will start every shift in the offensive zone. We've essentially lost a top six forward and a top nine/six tweener forward through Bozak and Komarov's poor play. That's a huge loss since teams aren't being punished for keying in on Matthews' line.

I'm a Gardiner fan. I hate the boneheaded plays but I recognize that over the course of a season he's a big net positive out there. Or at least he was. This season he has been brutal while only showing flashes of how he played last season. The numbers point to exiting the zone being his main problem compared to last season and you can tell something's not as fluid/smooth as last season. I'm not sure if this is because Zaitsev's mistakes put him in worse positions to advance the puck compared to last year or if perhaps it's related to the forwards not providing outlets (recall that the pair's numbers with the various lines are fine except for with Kadri's line, where they are atrocious), or some combination of the two.

Zaitsev is infuriating to watch. He really has no idea where to be on the ice. Part of that might just be poor communication with Gardiner but given that Gardiner hasn't had these problems with other partners I feel like this is mainly on Zaitsev. How many times a game does it happen where both he and Gardiner go after the puck carrier behind the net? Or how about when a play happens like last night where Gardiner rushed the puck into the offensive zone, cut back along the right hand boards and Zaitsev just stood there on the right point? He didn't move over to the left side to create a passing option for Jake or to cover that side of the ice for a streaking winger looking to fly the zone. The number show that Zaitsev is awful at preventing zone entries and that shows with the eye test, he leaves guys way too much room. We haven't even gotten to Zaitsev's play with the puck which suffers from some kind of Jekyll and Hyde thing.

tl;dr We should trade Bozak and Leo, they are huge reasons for our poor play. Gardiner and Zaitsev need to be split up. Maybe this is juggling the pairs, sitting Zaitsev, trading one of them. I'm not sure but they cannot continue playing together if we're going to be a championship team.
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Post #791 by LeafOfBread » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:45 pm

Curry Rage wrote:Stoked that the Leaf-o-sphere is back to arguing about shots, etc. Just like old times. Wonder what the updated synonym for "unsustainable" will be this time around? Will they call for Babcock's head like they did Randy's? Is Babs now a bad coach who's resumé was only fluffed by an accidental Cup win with a stacked roster and coaching an All-Star team to Olympic Gold? Or will more nuanced takes find their way into the dialogue?

I'm concerned but unlike Randy I have full faith in Babs. I imagine that this team will look a lot sharper come February/March, kind of like last season.
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Post #792 by LeafOfBread » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:50 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:We can talk all day about whether or not Babs is making mistakes with Polak over Carrick, Martin over Leivo, or putting Brown with Matthews instead of Nylander. If you think those are the problems with the team then you're living in la-la land.

I think the crux of the problem this season comes down to four players: Bozak, Komarov, Gardiner, and Zaitsev.

Last season we were threatening with our depth—line up your best defenders against Matthews? That's cool. We'll stick Kadri on your top forwards and the Bozak line will start every shift in the offensive zone. We've essentially lost a top six forward and a top nine/six tweener forward through Bozak and Komarov's poor play. That's a huge loss since teams aren't being punished for keying in on Matthews' line.

I'm a Gardiner fan. I hate the boneheaded plays but I recognize that over the course of a season he's a big net positive out there. Or at least he was. This season he has been brutal while only showing flashes of how he played last season. The numbers point to exiting the zone being his main problem compared to last season and you can tell something's not as fluid/smooth as last season. I'm not sure if this is because Zaitsev's mistakes put him in worse positions to advance the puck compared to last year or if perhaps it's related to the forwards not providing outlets (recall that the pair's numbers with the various lines are fine except for with Kadri's line, where they are atrocious), or some combination of the two.

Zaitsev is infuriating to watch. He really has no idea where to be on the ice. Part of that might just be poor communication with Gardiner but given that Gardiner hasn't had these problems with other partners I feel like this is mainly on Zaitsev. How many times a game does it happen where both he and Gardiner go after the puck carrier behind the net? Or how about when a play happens like last night where Gardiner rushed the puck into the offensive zone, cut back along the right hand boards and Zaitsev just stood there on the right point? He didn't move over to the left side to create a passing option for Jake or to cover that side of the ice for a streaking winger looking to fly the zone. The number show that Zaitsev is awful at preventing zone entries and that shows with the eye test, he leaves guys way too much room. We haven't even gotten to Zaitsev's play with the puck which suffers from some kind of Jekyll and Hyde thing.

tl;dr We should trade Bozak and Leo, they are huge reasons for our poor play. Gardiner and Zaitsev need to be split up. Maybe this is juggling the pairs, sitting Zaitsev, trading one of them. I'm not sure but they cannot continue playing together if we're going to be a championship team.

Yeah, Komarov and Bozak cratering has definitely caused some huge problems up front. Kadri's line is the 'match up' line but most nights they are actually getting caved in, and it sure as hell doesn't look like Naz or Marleau are the reason why when you watch the games.

Regarding the D, I think it could be good to go back to Gardiner-Carrick, and have Borgman-Zaitsev together. I feel like Zaitsev's game is stifled when he is relied upon to be the stay at home guy instead of his partner. I remember there was a few games last year where Marincin-Zaitsev seemed to work really well. It's weird too because you see Zaitsev has all the tools to be a very good mobile D but it seems like he's scared of himself almost. There were some articles earlier in the year where he was interviewed and he seems to be very very hard on himself, to the point where I think he thinks he needs to play an ultra conservative, safe game and opting for the 'simple' play instead of using his passing or rushing abilities.
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Post #793 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:07 pm

It's funny that you mention he should be paired with Borgman, LOB. I think Zaitsev's ideal style of play is pretty much waht Borgman is playing right now. Borgman is getting more comfortable moving the puck himself or passing and is able to use his physicality to break up the cycle in the defensive zone. Zaitsev to me, looks like that's the kind of game he wants to play. I don't know that pairing them up would be great though since then one of them has to be the stay at home guy, but I'd sure as hell be willing to try it for a few games.
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Post #794 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:16 pm

Zaitsev and Marincin worked so well together because one is great at denying zone entries, and the other is good at zone exits. Instead we are stuck with that fucking ogre on the third pair that takes a penalty every other game.
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Post #795 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:20 pm

TM, I completely agree that Komarov and Bozak falling off a cliff this season has lead to a decrease in effectiveness. What is frustrating to me is that we have good options internally, but the Leafs aren't using them. Perhaps they want to keep Bozak and Komarov's trade value high at the deadline? Then again it seems like we say this about multiple players every year, and they don't move.
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Post #796 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:58 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Leo finds a new home this trade deadline (and just note that I love Uncle Leo, I just think he's outlived his usefulness here). St. Louis, Vancouver and some other teams are looking for some help up front and Leo could fit in (though those two teams in particular appear to be looking for offensive help).

Bozak is both a bigger problem for our decline and harder to replace internally (i.e. without moving Nylander or Marleau to the middle permanently). There's no guarantee Altonen can even put up the 39 point pace that Bozak is on in a down year.

Having said that I'd love to see the following lineup:

Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
JvR - Nylander - Kapanen
Leivo - Moore - Soshnikov
Martin

Rielly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Carrick
Borgman - Zaitsev


I'd be open to trading Gardiner or Zaitsev in a package with Komarov or Bozak or some fringey guys if we can get a nice young defender with top pairing upside back. Again, I just think we have too many defenders with the same style of play.
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Post #797 by Honus Joglund » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:30 pm

I think people need to remember that the Leafs are in the midst of a brutal stretch of the schedule. I posted about this close to the beginning of it, but from the end of October to the end of 2017 is a murderous stretch for the Leafs with several western trips, tons of road games and tons of back-to-backs/three-in-four-nights/four-in-six-nights. Anyone that bets on hockey knows that these sorts of stretches are statistically brutal on teams.

The Leafs just need to keep their heads above water throughout this stretch (so far they're 13-7-1, a 105 point pace, in 8 home/13 road games). After the new year the schedule is heavily tilted towards home games with only one long road trip and a pretty evenly spread out schedule.

They could play better obviously, but considering the schedule I'm happy that the Leafs have either won, or been in the position to win basically every single game since they got blown out in St. Louis. The second half of the season is where they're set up to make a run.
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Post #798 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:15 pm

Changing up the system is going to have an impact as well. Its a more basic system but there is an adjustment period.

Losing your best player also sucks.

Expecting half a roster of sophmores to win and play like seasoned vets, and not go through slumps is a little much.

Not pointing any fingers...
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Post #799 by stoney » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:09 pm

Honus Joglund wrote:I think people need to remember that the Leafs are in the midst of a brutal stretch of the schedule. I posted about this close to the beginning of it, but from the end of October to the end of 2017 is a murderous stretch for the Leafs with several western trips, tons of road games and tons of back-to-backs/three-in-four-nights/four-in-six-nights. Anyone that bets on hockey knows that these sorts of stretches are statistically brutal on teams.

The Leafs just need to keep their heads above water throughout this stretch (so far they're 13-7-1, a 105 point pace, in 8 home/13 road games). After the new year the schedule is heavily tilted towards home games with only one long road trip and a pretty evenly spread out schedule.

They could play better obviously, but considering the schedule I'm happy that the Leafs have either won, or been in the position to win basically every single game since they got blown out in St. Louis. The second half of the season is where they're set up to make a run.


Pretty cool they are just away for all of December.
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Post #800 by Zardoz » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:43 pm

The home heavy second half will mean Babs gets better matchups. That's part of his bread and butter.

That doesn't excuse the shots against thing right though. I'd be interested in seeing how different those numbers look at home vs on the road.
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