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Post #2601 by cawbber » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:42 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:I prefer this setup personally:

Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott - Zaitsev
Rosen - Holl
Carrick

Worth a shot
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Post #2602 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:09 pm

Blockbuster fantasy time.

What do we have to add to Horton and Zaitsev for Weber?
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Post #2603 by WTF » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:10 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Blockbuster fantasy time.

What do we have to add to Horton and Zaitsev for Weber?


Freddy the Goat. They need at least one French player back.
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Post #2604 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:39 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Blockbuster fantasy time.

What do we have to add to Horton and Zaitsev for Weber?


No thanks
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Post #2605 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:42 pm

The Leafs best play may be to take on a shit contract for one year to accumulate picks or prospects. They are going to need both as players get pushed out by the cap in the coming years. I am against any move that pushes us over the top in the short term at the expense of the long term. If the Leafs play this right they can be perennial contenders for the better part of the next decade, and not just a couple of seasons.
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Post #2606 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:47 pm

The size of the contract coming back has to be a single year and can't be too large, like $4M at most, if we want to save ourselves a cushion for bonuses and lock up Nylander long term instead of to a bridge deal.

Who's even out there as options? Lehtera in Philly? Hagelin in Pittsburgh?
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Post #2607 by Whit Dickman » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:53 pm

De Haan would be great. Moving one of Hainsey/Zaitsev to the 3rd pair would be great.

But maybe Zaitsev finds his game and Dermott surpasses Gardiner.

Risky move would be trading Gardiner for Tanev (maybe via three way trade). If Dermott breaks out and Tanev didn't break we might just end up with a respectable top 4.

Either Rosen or Borgman or even Marincin are fine to play on the left side bottom pair, depending on their partner.
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Post #2608 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:04 pm

Dubas in an interview mentioned Zaitsev when speaking about the core, so perhaps he actually likes him (or maybe he was just talking him up).

If we bring in DeHaan and either paly him on the right or shift Dermott/Rielly to the right then I'd hope we move one of Hainsey or Zaitsev (preferably Zaitsev). Holl and Carrick are more than capable of manning the third pairing right side (or if neccessary move Dermott over and play one of Rosen, Borgman, Marincin).
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Post #2609 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:43 pm

How about two franchise players in one off-season?

What would it take to get EK. All in.

Willy+Zaitsev+1st, fuck it, toss in shithead with an extension.(ek)

Apparently, teams are allowed to negotiate with him.

Future D

Dermott EK
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Post #2610 by Honus Joglund » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:44 pm

I thought Holl was pretty bad in the playoffs for the Marlies. Rosen, Dermott and Marincin were head and shoulders better. Holl made several bad turnovers which turned into chances and goals. I don't see the NHL tools in him that I see in Rosen or even Marincin.

I'm not holding my breath for him to be a regular NHL defenseman, particularly on a Cup contender.
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Post #2611 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:48 pm

Switched. Plug in Borgman.

That's one primo skating D corps.
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Post #2612 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:13 pm

Honus Joglund wrote:I thought Holl was pretty bad in the playoffs for the Marlies. Rosen, Dermott and Marincin were head and shoulders better. Holl made several bad turnovers which turned into chances and goals. I don't see the NHL tools in him that I see in Rosen or even Marincin.

I'm not holding my breath for him to be a regular NHL defenseman, particularly on a Cup contender.


I disagree, and it is worth noting that Holl was playing the most minutes against the toughest competition. Both Keefe and Dubas were extremely complimentary of him all year and after the playoffs. I think he has a shot to develop into a capable NHL'er.
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Post #2613 by WTF » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:14 am

For Toronto, by Tyler Bozak

You’re in good hands, Toronto. The next few years are going to be a lot of fun. Believe in Kyle Dubas and the talent you have. Auston, William and Mitch can do anything. Trust me, I saw them in practice every day, they’re special.
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Post #2614 by Transplanted Caper » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:39 am

The Kessel stories in the Bozak piece are phenomenal.
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Post #2615 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:49 am

I've always had a tough time with Bozak. When I think back, I remember the debates about him being a #1C and I think that soured me on him. I thought he was a hardcore passenger that was riding Phil's coattails. Now, he'll never be mistaken for top end centre but after Phil left Bozak still produced and even hit that 50 point mark. He's better than I thought he was (though he still got to play with JvR, face much weaker competition than earlier in his career, and be on the dynamite powerplay unit) and can be very effective in the right role. A lot of my dislike for him was directed at his defensive game (which is not good) and the fact that I wanted him to be something that he was just never going to be. Unrealistic expectations, mea culpa.

There's no doubt though that he handled his time here like a pro. Never got into trouble, always good with the media and involved with the community. Real gud pro, you might say (not sure about his practice habits and if he did it right there, so I reserve the right to remove RGP status). I hope he does well in St. Louis and he'll be able to be sheltered there behind ROR and Schenn if that's what they want to do.
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Post #2616 by Whit Dickman » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:57 am

He was definitely an excellent free wallet
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Post #2617 by LeafOfBread » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:58 am

Thomas Malthus wrote:I've always had a tough time with Bozak. When I think back, I remember the debates about him being a #1C and I think that soured me on him. I thought he was a hardcore passenger that was riding Phil's coattails. Now, he'll never be mistaken for top end centre but after Phil left Bozak still produced and even hit that 50 point mark. He's better than I thought he was (though he still got to play with JvR, face much weaker competition than earlier in his career, and be on the dynamite powerplay unit) and can be very effective in the right role. A lot of my dislike for him was directed at his defensive game (which is not good) and the fact that I wanted him to be something that he was just never going to be. Unrealistic expectations, mea culpa.

There's no doubt though that he handled his time here like a pro. Never got into trouble, always good with the media and involved with the community. Real gud pro, you might say (not sure about his practice habits and if he did it right there, so I reserve the right to remove RGP status). I hope he does well in St. Louis and he'll be able to be sheltered there behind ROR and Schenn if that's what they want to do.

For a guy who was never supposed to make it, he's had a pretty phenomenal career. We were hard on him and at times it was deserved but when you take a step back and look at where he came from it's pretty fucking remarkable that he made it to this point. Will never forget his first NHL goal, jumped off my couch watching that. Good luck to him in STL.
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Post #2618 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:16 am

Bozak currently sits 23rd in points for undrafted NCAA players, all time. If you adjust points for era then he jumps to 15th. Depending on how productive he is over this contract he could end up in the top 10.

That first goal was unbelievable. Danced the entire Flyers team.
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Post #2619 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:05 am

I remember that first goal too, I was streaming the game in pysch class and nearly screamed during the lecture.
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Post #2621 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:01 pm

Outside of de Haan I still really want to kick the tires on Andersson and Honka.
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Post #2622 by clawfirst » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:02 pm

Matt martin gone
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Post #2623 by LeafOfBread » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:07 pm

clawfirst wrote:Matt martin gone

Back to NYI, for a nothing goalie prospect. Lou doing the Leafs a solid here.

I feel bad for Martin and ultimately I thought he played pretty well all things considered, especially this past season. There's just no space here and he doesn't PK which really hurts his value as a 4th liner. I'm sure he's happy to go back at least.
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Post #2624 by Curry Rage » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:14 pm

Honus Joglund wrote:I thought Holl was pretty bad in the playoffs for the Marlies. Rosen, Dermott and Marincin were head and shoulders better. Holl made several bad turnovers which turned into chances and goals. I don't see the NHL tools in him that I see in Rosen or even Marincin.

I'm not holding my breath for him to be a regular NHL defenseman, particularly on a Cup contender.


I only started paying a lot of attention during the finals but I had similar observations. He wasn't anything to write home about live in Game 2 either. But, I haven't a clue how he looked the rest of the year. Liked his mobility - skating forward, at least - when he had his call up.
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Post #2625 by MonkeyWrench » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:42 pm

clawfirst wrote:Matt martin gone


Maybe Lou took the senior advisor role afterall.
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Post #2626 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:59 pm

If Dubas can find a way to swap out Hainsey with a guy like De Haan then all of the dead weight from a year ago will be gone.
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Post #2627 by Whit Dickman » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:31 pm

I have no problem keeping Hainsey for another year at least.

Like Martin but Babs needs PKers on the 4th line.
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Post #2628 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:51 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:I have no problem keeping Hainsey for another year at least.

Like Martin but Babs needs PKers on the 4th line.


I wouldn't hate him on the third pairing, but I would rather see those minutes go to Carrick, Rosen, Holl or Borgman.
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Post #2629 by WTF » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:51 pm

I'd be okay with Hainsey as a third pairing mentor/partner for Dermott.

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