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Re: Offseason Thrud

Post #1101 by MonkeyWrench » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:26 am

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MonkeyWrench wrote:Leivo's getting that spot over Ennis. If you have one good tool (his shot), Babs will find a way to use it.
Johnsson and Nylander can skate circles and break ankles.


I will take that bet, I think Ennis has already made this team over Leivo.


They will take turns. I think Leivo gets the first shot in the lineup once Nylander returns. Need a big body with good reach? Leivo. Need a faster, more agile winger? Ennis. Knowing babcock, he'll continue to use whatver player is hot.
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Post #1102 by LeafOfBread » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:40 pm

At this point I'm wondering if Johnsson is even going to make it. He's been a no show this preseason and Babs has been quite disappointed when talking about him. Though he's no longer exempt from waivers is he? Wonder if he sits out and Ennis+Leivo are in initially.
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Post #1103 by AGENT ZERO » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:15 pm

He is no longer waiver exempt LOB. Personally, I think he has done enough last season and in the playoffs to earn the benefit of the doubt, but if his play continues into the reg season Babcock will be quick to bench him.
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Post #1104 by AGENT ZERO » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:17 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
MonkeyWrench wrote:Leivo's getting that spot over Ennis. If you have one good tool (his shot), Babs will find a way to use it.
Johnsson and Nylander can skate circles and break ankles.


I will take that bet, I think Ennis has already made this team over Leivo.


They will take turns. I think Leivo gets the first shot in the lineup once Nylander returns. Need a big body with good reach? Leivo. Need a faster, more agile winger? Ennis. Knowing babcock, he'll continue to use whatver player is hot.


I think Leivo will be mercy traded if he isn't on the opening night roster. I suppose alot of it will depend on Nylander's situation.
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Post #1105 by Whit Dickman » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:24 pm

Seems clear that Leivo, Ennis, Johnnson, Kapanen will all be on the team. Wouldnt be surprised if they all end up playing a similar number of games this season.
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Post #1106 by AGENT ZERO » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:22 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:Seems clear that Leivo, Ennis, Johnnson, Kapanen will all be on the team. Wouldnt be surprised if they all end up playing a similar number of games this season.


Word is that the Leafs told Leivo they would trade him if he doesnt make the opening 12.
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Post #1107 by Whit Dickman » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:38 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:Seems clear that Leivo, Ennis, Johnnson, Kapanen will all be on the team. Wouldnt be surprised if they all end up playing a similar number of games this season.


Word is that the Leafs told Leivo they would trade him if he doesnt make the opening 12.


Then I guess they're starting him. Would be silly to trade someone who can contribute just because a journeyman nhler had a slightly better preseason (which is up for debate)
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Post #1108 by LeafOfBread » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:07 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:He is no longer waiver exempt LOB. Personally, I think he has done enough last season and in the playoffs to earn the benefit of the doubt, but if his play continues into the reg season Babcock will be quick to bench him.

Looks like Babcock is giving the 4th line a vote of confidence tonight. They're playing with a bunch of Marlie scrubs so they will probably get top line minutes tonight and an opportunity to stand out.
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Re: Offseason Thrud

Post #1109 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:34 am

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AGENT ZERO wrote:He is no longer waiver exempt LOB. Personally, I think he has done enough last season and in the playoffs to earn the benefit of the doubt, but if his play continues into the reg season Babcock will be quick to bench him.

Looks like Babcock is giving the 4th line a vote of confidence tonight. They're playing with a bunch of Marlie scrubs so they will probably get top line minutes tonight and an opportunity to stand out.


A good potion of the rosters in yesterday's games were rookies/depth spot combatants. That's what today/tmrw will be. NHL rosters are getting trimmed. Last gasp for some of these guys before Babs starts rolling out his regular season lineup for the final game or 2. As certain as I am for Johnsson to make it, he better start impressing Babs with his speed/tenacity. He doesn't hand guys spots. (unless your name is Polak)
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Post #1110 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:38 am

One guy I've been moderately impressed by is (looks back at roster to remember his name..) Lindholm. I had no idea what his strengths/weaknesses are. He was okay on the draw. Had a couple takeaways. Okay stick handling in tight areas, so he's not a plug. I'm not buying this player's jersey, but I'm intrigued to see more of his play.
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Re: Offseason Thrud

Post #1111 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:04 am

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:Seems clear that Leivo, Ennis, Johnnson, Kapanen will all be on the team. Wouldnt be surprised if they all end up playing a similar number of games this season.


Word is that the Leafs told Leivo they would trade him if he doesnt make the opening 12.


Then I guess they're starting him. Would be silly to trade someone who can contribute just because a journeyman nhler had a slightly better preseason (which is up for debate)


Josh Leivo is the journeyman, Tyler Ennis has actually played and produced at the NHL level for a full season.
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Post #1112 by vf » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:41 am

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:Seems clear that Leivo, Ennis, Johnnson, Kapanen will all be on the team. Wouldnt be surprised if they all end up playing a similar number of games this season.


Word is that the Leafs told Leivo they would trade him if he doesnt make the opening 12.


Then I guess they're starting him. Would be silly to trade someone who can contribute just because a journeyman nhler had a slightly better preseason (which is up for debate)


Or it's selling high and Leivo never sticks in the NHL.
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Post #1113 by Whit Dickman » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:57 am

We know Ennis is a journeyman. Leivo probably will be too, but we don't know that.
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Post #1114 by mooseOAK » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:29 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Word is that the Leafs told Leivo they would trade him if he doesnt make the opening 12.


Then I guess they're starting him. Would be silly to trade someone who can contribute just because a journeyman nhler had a slightly better preseason (which is up for debate)


Josh Leivo is the journeyman, Tyler Ennis has actually played and produced at the NHL level for a full season.

And had to take the league minimum which essentially means that no one else wanted him.
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Post #1115 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:31 pm

mooseOAK wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:
Then I guess they're starting him. Would be silly to trade someone who can contribute just because a journeyman nhler had a slightly better preseason (which is up for debate)


Josh Leivo is the journeyman, Tyler Ennis has actually played and produced at the NHL level for a full season.

And had to take the league minimum which essentially means that no one else wanted him.


Or he took less because he'd be playing with possibly the most talented forward group in the league if he made the team. Maybe he saw that as an easy way to bump his value. I wouldn't be surprised if there was nobody else in on Ennis but I also wouldn't be surprised to learn there were other teams interested in him.
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Post #1116 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:36 pm

Similar to Orpik signing for a cool 1m. Once you get bought out of such a large deal you don't have that desire to grab an extra 750k-1m.
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Post #1117 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:53 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:We know Ennis is a journeyman. Leivo probably will be too, but we don't know that.


I wouldn't call someone who has played in a top line role and produced at the NHL level a journeyman. Maybe this is just my interpretation of the word, but I always took it to refer to guys who are in the sport for a long time but can never quite crack a team in a full time role.
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Post #1118 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:57 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:
mooseOAK wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Josh Leivo is the journeyman, Tyler Ennis has actually played and produced at the NHL level for a full season.

And had to take the league minimum which essentially means that no one else wanted him.


Or he took less because he'd be playing with possibly the most talented forward group in the league if he made the team. Maybe he saw that as an easy way to bump his value. I wouldn't be surprised if there was nobody else in on Ennis but I also wouldn't be surprised to learn there were other teams interested in him.


I see it the same way, I think he understood that his value this year was going to be depressed no matter where he signed, so the smart play was to sign an inexpensive deal with a team who gives him the best opportunity to rebuild his value for a multi year deal next summer. In a perfect world this is a 1 year pact for both parties, and Ennis signs elsewhere next year for something similar to what he was making before.
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Re: Offseason Thrud

Post #1119 by paulster » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:27 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:We know Ennis is a journeyman. Leivo probably will be too, but we don't know that.


I wouldn't someone who has played in a top line role and produced at the NHL level a journeyman. Maybe this is just my interpretation of the word, but I always took it to refer to guys who are in the sport for a long time but can never quite crack a team in a full time role.


You mean like Sean Pronger, who coincidentally wrote a book called ‘Journeyman?’
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Post #1120 by Whit Dickman » Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:52 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:We know Ennis is a journeyman. Leivo probably will be too, but we don't know that.


I wouldn't call someone who has played in a top line role and produced at the NHL level a journeyman. Maybe this is just my interpretation of the word, but I always took it to refer to guys who are in the sport for a long time but can never quite crack a team in a full time role.


it is definitely how you're using the term (incorrectly), so get bent and eat a dick you pedant
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Post #1121 by paulster » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:01 pm

Is Agent Zero the journeyman of broads?
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Post #1122 by paulster » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:03 pm

Jason Witten just referred to Ryan Fitzpatrick as a journeyman on MNF for what it’s worth!
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Post #1123 by Whit Dickman » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:46 am

I hope you know I'm just messing with you AZ. I don't think you're a pedant
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Post #1124 by Zardoz » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:48 am

Don't trust him AZ! He still wants you to get bent!
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Post #1125 by Curry Rage » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:06 am

Don’t we all?
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Post #1126 by vf » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:29 pm

I still want AZ to get bent, but there's a definition of journeyman you bent cunts.

journeyman noun
jour·ney·man | \ ˈjər-nē-mən
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Definition of journeyman

1 : a worker who has learned a trade and works for another person usually by the day — compare apprentice entry 1 sense 1b, master entry 1 sense 1c

2 : an experienced reliable worker, athlete, or performer especially as distinguished from one who is brilliant or colorful


Bullet 2 is as accurate and as pedantic a definition I could find.
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Post #1127 by paulster » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:32 pm

Now define Get Bent.
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Post #1129 by Whit Dickman » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:32 am

Journeyman is used differently in sports you lunatic

Theres a wikipedia page
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Post #1130 by Curry Rage » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:33 am

paulster wrote:Now define Get Bent.


Watch what Johnny T and Auston do to defenses this year.
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Post #1131 by Curry Rage » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:36 am

I had a better gif reply lined up but I’m sat in a coffee shop with my screen visible by randoms. I want to come back here.
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Post #1132 by Curry Rage » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:38 am

When we’re done with journeyman, we should do yeoman. Might as well chuck gud pro in there too.
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Post #1133 by vf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:22 am

Whit Dickman wrote:Journeyman is used differently in sports you lunatic

Theres a wikipedia page


The second bullet defines it in sports bruh
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Post #1134 by Whit Dickman » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:03 pm

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Post #1135 by Curry Rage » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:33 pm

I’ve felt a little like that going back to Broads 1.0.
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Post #1136 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:35 pm



FWIW.

If that's true then I guess Holl is the 7th D? Rosen and Borgman could use more AHL time.
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Post #1137 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:39 pm

I think we probably carry 8D to start like last season. Wouldn't surprise me if they carry 3G as well.
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Post #1138 by vf » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:12 pm

Rosen and Borgman are waiver exempt. No need to carry them until they figure who's out.
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Post #1139 by Whit Dickman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:22 pm

I think AZ meant Holl and Carrick
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Post #1140 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:41 pm

Yeah, I meant Holl and Carrick. That obviously goes out the window if Carrick is dealt though.
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Post #1141 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:46 pm

vf wrote:Rosen and Borgman are waiver exempt. No need to carry them until they figure who's out.



It was a nightmare of a game for Rosen. For a player of his skill set, there was too far of an extreme in the one game sample to make a judgement.

Edit: he screwed up. It will be Dermott and The Oz.
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Post #1142 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:59 pm

Hope this Marner re signing talk is real. He could really throw a wrench into Willy's negotiations.
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Post #1143 by MonkeyWrench » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:10 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Hope this Marner re signing talk is real. He could really throw a wrench into Willy's negotiations.


Would be pretty sweet if Nylander's group was asking for 8m and Marner signs for 6.75 before his deal gets finalized.

I think the difficulty surrounding this has more to do with his agent/father than the player himself. He's just trusting his guys.
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Post #1144 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:18 pm

I've read his agent is notorious for dragging shit out. I'll worry 5 games in.
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Post #1145 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:24 pm

There is a loophole where if you sign a deal after Oct 15 the cap hit is lowered in seasons 2 through the end of the deal. I would be willing to wager that the Leafs know thia and plan on exploiting it.
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Post #1146 by vf » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:00 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:There is a loophole where if you sign a deal after Oct 15 the cap hit is lowered in seasons 2 through the end of the deal. I would be willing to wager that the Leafs know thia and plan on exploiting it.


Where did you see this?
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Post #1147 by Thomas Malthus » Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:25 am

vf wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:There is a loophole where if you sign a deal after Oct 15 the cap hit is lowered in seasons 2 through the end of the deal. I would be willing to wager that the Leafs know thia and plan on exploiting it.


Where did you see this?


Capfriendly tweeted about it and there’s a CBA expert on Reddit named earlisaboss who was talking about it before them.
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Post #1148 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:26 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:There is a loophole where if you sign a deal after Oct 15 the cap hit is lowered in seasons 2 through the end of the deal. I would be willing to wager that the Leafs know thia and plan on exploiting it.


What is the purpose of such a rule?
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Post #1149 by Philthy Thrillz » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:41 am

To stop teams from signing a one year prorated deal, I think.
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Post #1150 by Honus Joglund » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:11 pm

The cap savings are so small it's basically meaningless. If he gets 6 years/$7.5M, signing after October 15th would give you a $80,000 cap saving. Or roughly one-tenth the price of a well-used Adam Cracknell.


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