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Post #851 by Dynrehab » Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:01 am

It does beg to question the Fehr deal last deadline. That is $2 million that could give breathing room. That also does not include any rookie defenceman. Also does not include KAPANEN.
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Post #852 by Dynrehab » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:30 am

Whit Dickman wrote:
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This was not me being a jerk. I was genuinely confused about your conclusion.

"$22.6 million

they need to replace 4 players (JVR, Boazak, Moore, Komarov) for $8 million to free up $9 000 000 +$5.5 of Lupul’s LTIR contract.

and up to $5 000 000 in bonus overages."


I think it will be important but not really bite them in the ass.

I’m sorry if my random thoughts are confusing. It’s summer.

Next year, they have 22.6 million coming off the cap (names listed above)

Only 4 players need to be re-signed or replaced (JVR, novak, Komorov and Moore)

Lupul being on LTIR this year might not actually free up any money, as it’s not a hit this year anyway.

The have $5 000 000 in bonus overages this year, so the difference between this year and next will need to be accounted for (+ve or -ve). Hopefully they can get that drastically reduced, but it doesn’t seem likely, unless the guys underperform, which will suck.


Do you think there's a good chance that the bonus overages will bite us in the butt when we need to give AM and Willie big contracts?
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Post #853 by paulster » Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:31 am

WTF wrote:
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clawfirst wrote:It doesnt make sense to me to sign marleau and hyman to these deals. It doesnt have to. They have a plan and if someone needs to die along the way to make it happen...they die




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Post #854 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:00 am

Anybody know how good Patty is on shootouts?
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Post #855 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:30 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Anybody know how good Patty is on shootouts?


Hockey-reference has him at 31.4% over 35 attempts in his career.
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Post #856 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:07 pm

Is that good? What % are the top players at?
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Post #857 by Geo » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:29 pm

The Hyman deal is fair. I don't think they're locking him in at a great price, as he doesn't seem to be that kind of producer. But for what he does bring and can do, it's a fair price for both sides.

I can't say that I currently see Bozak as a core piece going forward however, so the idea of re-signing him isn't that compelling. Would much rather spend that cap/cash on keeping younger players who can contribute as much if not more.
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Post #858 by Whit Dickman » Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:53 pm

Geo wrote:The Hyman deal is fair. I don't think they're locking him in at a great price, as he doesn't seem to be that kind of producer. But for what he does bring and can do, it's a fair price for both sides.

I can't say that I currently see Bozak as a core piece going forward however, so the idea of re-signing him isn't that compelling. Would much rather spend that cap/cash on keeping younger players who can contribute as much if not more.


I'm fine with re-signing if an NTC isn't involved. Bozak at ~$5 might fit in, depending on the salary cap and what the big three end up earning. JVR will ask for at least $6 and he's more easily replaced than Bozak.
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Post #860 by MonkeyWrench » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:02 am

Apparently a selection of leafs prospects from the development camp were at the jays game last night. Woof.

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Post #861 by stoney » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:38 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:https://twitter.com/MikeInBuffalo/status/883366233600651270


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Post #862 by Philthy Thrillz » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:45 am

Yes he can. He was giving Barb a lesson on a power stride there.
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Post #863 by Whit Dickman » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:21 pm

Nice article by CapFriendly about our salary cap situation. https://www.capfriendly.com/articles/39 ... aple-leafs

Most notably:

Off-Season Cap Space Calculation
It is well known that team's can exceed the salary cap by 10% during the off-season ($7.5M in 2017 for a total of $82.5M). What is less known, is how a team's off-season cap hit is calculated, which is explained in the CBA §50.5 (d) 1. (A).

In the Leafs case, the parameters break down as follows:
All 1-way contracts (including players who are likely to play in the minors)
$69,037,500 (24)
Performance Bonus Overages
$5,370,000
Buyouts
$2,083,333 (3)
Retained Salary Transactions
$1,200,000 (1)
2-way contracts calculated as the quotient of the total number of days the player spent at the NHL level in the previous season, and the total number of days in the previous season
Auston Matthews $925,000 (180 days at the NHL level last season/180 total days in the 2016-17 season)
Mitch Marner $894,167 (180/180)
William Nylander $894,167 (180/180)
Nikita Soshnikov $645,185 (160/180)
Frederik Gauthier $235,018 (49/180)
Kasperi Kapanen $67,148 (14/180)
Garret Sparks $11,250 (3/180)
Players who have received a qualifying offer, with the cost of the qualifying offer calculated in the same method as the 2-way contracts above
Connor Brown $715,000 (180/180)

Sum: $82,078,298

Current Off-Season Cap Space: $421,602

What does this mean? It means that as of currently the Leafs only have $421,602 remaining in cap space to sign additional players.
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Post #864 by WTF » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:24 pm

So we basically need to move one or more players before we re-sign Brown or the signing will have to wait until we can assign players to the AHL/ECHL/LTIR?
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Post #865 by vf » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:26 pm

Correct. Goodbye JVR and or Bozak.
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Post #866 by Dynrehab » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:26 pm

Or Fehr

If Fehr is moved for no cap hit, Brown can sign for just over $3 million.

Those numbers also include 30 players including Brown.
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Post #867 by vf » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:35 pm

Yes, that is a possibility. It also leaves the team with two of Marchenko, Marincin and Carrick playing every night. Which is why I believe it's a higher cap hit moving.
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Post #868 by vf » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:37 pm

Those numbers include Browns qualifying offer of 715k.
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Post #869 by Dynrehab » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:43 pm

My belief of players who will not be on team and free up space instead of JVR or Bozak:

Horton and Lupul are obvious $10.5 million
Gauthier on SOIR OR LTIR $200 000
Marincin $1.25 million
Marchenko $1.45 million
Sparks $11 000
Fehr $2 million
Ben Smith $600 000
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Post #870 by Dynrehab » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:49 pm

vf wrote:Those numbers include Browns qualifying offer of 715k.


Yes, $715+ $420+ Fehr $2 million
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Post #871 by Dynrehab » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:53 pm

vf wrote:Yes, that is a possibility. It also leaves the team with two of Marchenko, Marincin and Carrick playing every night. Which is why I believe it's a higher cap hit moving.


Marincin and Marchenko together, make about the same as 4 of Valiev, Dermott, Neilson, Rosen and Borgman.
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Post #872 by WTF » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:22 pm

Dynrehab wrote:My belief of players who will not be on team and free up space instead of JVR or Bozak:

Horton and Lupul are obvious $10.5 million
Gauthier on SOIR OR LTIR $200 000
Marincin $1.25 million
Marchenko $1.45 million
Sparks $11 000
Fehr $2 million
Ben Smith $600 000


You just reminded me that Ben Smith is still a part of the organization.

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Post #873 by vf » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:05 pm

Dynrehab wrote:My belief of players who will not be on team and free up space instead of JVR or Bozak:

Horton and Lupul are obvious $10.5 million
Gauthier on SOIR OR LTIR $200 000
Marincin $1.25 million
Marchenko $1.45 million
Sparks $11 000
Fehr $2 million
Ben Smith $600 000


Why would Gauthier be on LTIR?
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Post #874 by Dynrehab » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:25 pm

vf wrote:
Dynrehab wrote:My belief of players who will not be on team and free up space instead of JVR or Bozak:

Horton and Lupul are obvious $10.5 million
Gauthier on SOIR OR LTIR $200 000
Marincin $1.25 million
Marchenko $1.45 million
Sparks $11 000
Fehr $2 million
Ben Smith $600 000


Why would Gauthier be on LTIR?


Because he is injured and out until November? LTIR requires someone to miss 10 games. I don't however know the rules regarding someone injured while playing in the AHL the prior season.
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Post #875 by Whit Dickman » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:23 pm

Our current cap situation also means that we can't trade futures for a dman unless JVR (or someone else) is traded.
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Post #876 by vf » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:46 pm

Dynrehab wrote:
vf wrote:
Dynrehab wrote:My belief of players who will not be on team and free up space instead of JVR or Bozak:

Horton and Lupul are obvious $10.5 million
Gauthier on SOIR OR LTIR $200 000
Marincin $1.25 million
Marchenko $1.45 million
Sparks $11 000
Fehr $2 million
Ben Smith $600 000


Why would Gauthier be on LTIR?


Because he is injured and out until November? LTIR requires someone to miss 10 games. I don't however know the rules regarding someone injured while playing in the AHL the prior season.



Oh ok. Came off as a weird point is all. I'm not sure on that ltir question either. By my count the Leafs will have 8 million of space before Brown signs once the season cap kicks in. The issue is how do they get Brown signed before that. Dumping Fehr gives them enough space. Still believe JvRs days is numbered as a Leaf though.
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Post #877 by Dynrehab » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:00 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:Our current cap situation also means that we can't trade futures for a dman unless JVR (or someone else) is traded.


My thoughts are, if it was going to happen, it would have happened already.
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Post #878 by Whit Dickman » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:03 pm

Dynrehab wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:Our current cap situation also means that we can't trade futures for a dman unless JVR (or someone else) is traded.


My thoughts are, if it was going to happen, it would have happened already.


Yes, seems like the chips have fallen and now the plan is to wait until the deadline to see if this team is a contender.

Having said that, moves still need to be made around the league. Vegas still has a tonne of dmen, for example.
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Post #879 by Dynrehab » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:04 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:
Dynrehab wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:Our current cap situation also means that we can't trade futures for a dman unless JVR (or someone else) is traded.


My thoughts are, if it was going to happen, it would have happened already.


Yes, seems like the chips have fallen and now the plan is to wait until the deadline to see if this team is a contender.

Having said that, moves still need to be made around the league. Vegas still has a tonne of dmen, for example.


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Post #880 by Thomas Malthus » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:25 pm

There's still a few teams that we could trade with. Florida being one of the ones I'm more interested in.
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Post #881 by Whit Dickman » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:33 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:There's still a few teams that we could trade with. Florida being one of the ones I'm more interested in.


Just looked at their forward lineup and it's horrific.

But is it on JVRs list? Getting back futures? If so, why the delay? (Kovalchuk, perhaps)
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Post #882 by Philthy Thrillz » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:52 pm

I don't think they'll trade our good vets to teams we will be fighting with to make the playoffs. We aren't a lock, this will be considered.
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Post #883 by Zardoz » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:58 pm

Hypothetical, but it you had a 10 team no trade list, who would the teams be?

Mine would be:
Carolina
Buffalo
Minnesota
Dallas
Boston
Montreal
Ottawa
Edmonton
Winnepeg
Washington

My rationale isn't based on how good a team is, because youd have no way of knowing the circumstances of your trade. Its based on cities and markets I have zero fucking interest in.

And Montreal I just couldn't stomach.
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Post #884 by Zardoz » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:59 pm

But honestly, living and being a millionaire in Florida would be amazing.
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Post #885 by Zardoz » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:02 am

Shit, I forgot Columbus and Detroit.
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Post #886 by Zardoz » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:02 am

And Philly.
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Post #887 by WTF » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:08 am

Zardoz wrote:But honestly, living and being a millionaire in Florida would be amazing.


Pros: You get to live in Florida.
Cons: You're surrounded by Floridiots.
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Post #888 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:10 am

You'd play for the Yotes?

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Post #889 by Zardoz » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:33 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:You'd play for the Yotes?

:rudy:

By all accounts Arizona is amazing. And As an outdoors type of guy, the geography there would be fun and beautiful. And Tim's of golf.
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Post #890 by Zardoz » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:35 am

WTF wrote:
Zardoz wrote:But honestly, living and being a millionaire in Florida would be amazing.


Pros: You get to live in Florida.
Cons: You're surrounded by Floridiots.

Yeah, the people are the only hang up. But being rich I'd just order my groceries online and never leave my gated beachfront community except to go to practice.
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Post #891 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:44 am

But you have to play for the Yotes. No amount of outdoor fun can make up for that suffering.
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Post #892 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:56 pm

Minneapolis is pretty nice. I'd play in Minny.
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Post #893 by vf » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:59 pm

Depends on how well you tolerate winter I suppose.
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Post #894 by Philthy Thrillz » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:41 am

No goes for me

Montreal
Ottawa
Boston
Winnipeg
Phoenix
Philadelphia
Carolina
Edmonton

That's pretty much it
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Post #896 by Philthy Thrillz » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:51 am

Man he does look like Babs, lol.
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Post #898 by clawfirst » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:52 am

Philthy Thrillz wrote:No goes for me

Montreal
Ottawa
Boston
Winnipeg
Phoenix
Philadelphia
Carolina
Edmonton

That's pretty much it

You'd really not want to live in Montreal? Its a really fun city.

Forget being a pretend hockey player for a moment and think if you were offered a job there for 100 times what you make now....

Lol.
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Post #899 by paulster » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:11 am

I think no-trade-clauses are rude, and thus I would never ask for one. Just pay me millions and we're good.
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Re: Offseason Thrud

Post #900 by clawfirst » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:13 am

Kind of might have to keep the wife and kids happy. That would create a list of sorts

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