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Post #151 by Philthy Thrillz » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:43 am

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Post #152 by Whit Dickman » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:45 am

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Post #153 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:48 am

Its important to note that had Durzi gone in the top 60 last year like he should have, this past season would have been viewed as a very positive D+1 year. His 2018 season was excellent.
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Post #154 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:49 am

I cant believe Wise is still on the board.
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Post #155 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:51 am

Sean Durzi: Owen Sound Attack (OHL), D, 6-foot-0
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Durzi is one of those players who, in his draft year, reminded me a lot of a prospect like the aforementioned Jared McIsaac, in that he did a lot of things well but I wasn’t sold he was talented enough at the two or three things that matter most )namely, creating offence). He played on a really skilled Owen Sound Attack team, but he never leaped out at me. This year, that changed, and it tilted aggressively enough on an upward trajectory that I’m now confident there was more to his success than being a year older. He went from scoring three goals in 77 games last year, to posting 19 in 51 (!) this season, and finished second in the OHL in points per game to Evan Bouchard (a projected top-10 pick) in the process, out-producing early second rounders from his first go around at the draft like Connor Timmins and Nic Hague. Come playoffs, he was in complete control of the game whenever he was on the ice, and arguably Owen Sound’s best player (sorry, Nick Suzuki). His age can’t be ignored (he’s an October 1998 in a class of 2000s) but he played huge minutes as effectively as anyone in the CHL this year and that’s worth taking a shot on.
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Post #156 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:52 am

The Leafs invited Durzi to development camp last year so they have clearly been following him closely.
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Post #157 by Thomas Malthus » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:53 am

Durzi is interesting, I don't know that I've seen him above Addison anywhere.
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Post #158 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:58 am

Jake Wise, Aiden Dudas, Cam Hillis and Cole Fonstad are my BPA remaining by a considerable margin.
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Post #159 by Whit Dickman » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:59 am

From The Athletic's Jonathan Willis:

"Durzi produced pretty well in his original draft year, 2016-17, despite undergoing ankle surgery at the start of the year that limited his ability to impress. This past season was significantly better, though, with Durzi topping the point-per-game mark by a healthy margin, putting him at a similar scoring level as players like John Carlson and Ryan Ellis in their Draft+1 campaigns. He should certainly be selected this time around, and if production were the only consideration he might even squeak into the first round, though I expect he has to wait longer than his point totals would suggest."
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Post #160 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:02 pm

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Post #161 by Thomas Malthus » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:02 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Jake Wise, Aiden Dudas, Cam Hillis and Cole Fonstad are my BPA remaining by a considerable margin.


Not high on Nordgren?
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Post #162 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:07 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Jake Wise, Aiden Dudas, Cam Hillis and Cole Fonstad are my BPA remaining by a considerable margin.


Not high on Nordgren?


I like what i've read, and mentioned him earlier but those other guys I have ranked a tier higher (or more in the case of Wise).
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Post #163 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:08 pm

Fuck Wise gone
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Post #164 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:15 pm

Adam Mascherin who I completely forgot about is still on the board. He can step into a top 6 role with the Marlies immediately.
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Post #165 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:19 pm

I know nothing about this kid, but he is quick and skilled so I like it lol.
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Post #167 by Whit Dickman » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:25 pm

Pronman apparently had him in his top 30, lol
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Post #168 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:26 pm

Pronman had this guy ranked 25th, apparently he was a day away from being eligible for next years class.
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Post #169 by Whit Dickman » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:26 pm

Think we'll take a goalie next
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Post #170 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:28 pm

25. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev, C, Peterborough-OHL

Sept. 15, 2000 | 5-foot-10 | 159 pounds

GP: 68 | Goals: 12 | Points: 59 |  Shoots: Right

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 30
Hockey sense: 65

Der-Arguchintsev (he goes by SDA) is one of the more interesting players in this class. He’s born at the cutoff date for the draft, meaning he was hours away from being eligible for the 2019 draft. SDA’s production hasn’t been great this season, but he has a great toolkit, and how young he is relative to the class leaves room for projection. He ended the season very well after Peterborough leaned on for him top responsibilities. If you go watch his last 20 games, you see a player emerging, and I think he could make an impact in the OHL in 2018-19. SDA can make high-skill plays, showing high-end hands and ability to create space. He’s one of the best playmakers in the class, who can flash elite vision, is very patient and looks to make plays to his teammates. He plays with pace, being able to make tough plays at full speed and buzzes around the zone. He has a lot of growing to do though. He skates fine, but he’s not as explosive a skater as you’d like for his size, and he has to bulk up a ton, as his physical game at the moment is quite poor. There’s a lot of projection in his game, but there could be a lot of value if he hits.
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Post #171 by Whit Dickman » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:30 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:Think we'll take a goalie next

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Post #172 by Curry Rage » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:31 pm

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Post #173 by Dynrehab » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:36 pm

Stotts

He’s progressed so steadily year over year during his teens that it’s easy to imagine his confidence with the puck (and his ability to play a smart 200-foot game) pushing his offensive totals even higher as a 19-year-old in 2018-19. For now, he seems like a fairly low-risk selection for any NHL club in the middle rounds of the 2018 NHL Draft. If his game can keep growing, he could be a tremendous value find.
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Post #174 by Transplanted Caper » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:39 pm

I know nothing about any of these guys, but like the direction the team seems to be taking with regards to looking for skill. The kid from Peterborough might never get a sniff at the NHL but I'd rather shoot our shot on his potential over taking a guy who projects to be a bottom 6 player or bottom pairing d-man.
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Post #175 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:56 pm

Transplanted Caper wrote:I know nothing about any of these guys, but like the direction the team seems to be taking with regards to looking for skill. The kid from Peterborough might never get a sniff at the NHL but I'd rather shoot our shot on his potential over taking a guy who projects to be a bottom 6 player or bottom pairing d-man.


Exactly, the philosophy behind every pick is sound. Whether or not these guys pan out is secondary to the process becausw at the end of the day most of these guys are going to bust regardless, but if you aim for high end skill the few that do hit will carry your organization.
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Post #176 by Transplanted Caper » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:19 pm

Cosentino talking up the Durzi pick on TV, now.
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Post #177 by Curry Rage » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:38 pm

I, for one, will miss hoping some beast learns to skate so we can put him on the 3rd pairing to break ribs.
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Post #181 by Honus Joglund » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:20 pm

Durzi:
15yo - 31 GP, 4 G, 10 A, 14 PTS, 0.45 PPG (minor midget)
16yo - 24 GP, 1 G, 5 A, 6 PTS, 0.25 PPG (midget)
17yo - 45 GP, 10 G, 6 A, 16 PTS, 0.36 PPG (OHL)
18yo - 60 GP, 2 G, 36 A, 38 PTS, 0.63 PPG
19yo - 40 GP, 15 G, 34 A, 49 PTS, 1.23 PPG

Dermott:
15yo - 19 GP, 2 G, 7 A, 9 PTS, 0.47 PPG (minor midget)
16yo - 53 GP, 1 G, 14 A, 15 PTS, 0.28 PPG (OJHL)
17yo - 67 GP, 3 G, 25 A, 28 PTS, 0.42 PPG (OHL)
18yo - 61 GP, 8 G, 37 A, 45 PTS, 0.74 PPG
19yo - 51 GP, 6 G, 37 A, 43 PTS, 0.84 PPG


Disregard the 16 year old seasons since Durzi was still playing midget. Otherwise, the production is quite similar each year. Keep in mind that Dermott played with scoring stars like McDavid, Strome, Debrincat and Brown. Owen Sound hasn't had anyone close to that.

Hopefully he goes straight to the AHL.
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Post #182 by AGENT ZERO » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:40 pm

I doubt the Leafs would draft him this high if they thought he needed another season of OHL hockey at age 20.
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Post #183 by Curry Rage » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:06 am

Such a nice feeling to win the draft year after year.
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Post #184 by Thomas Malthus » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:30 pm

The more I read about Sandin, the more I like him.
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Post #185 by Philthy Thrillz » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:39 pm

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Post #186 by AGENT ZERO » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:09 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:The more I read about Sandin, the more I like him.


That is how I feel about the Hollowell pick, he sounds like a very aggressive and physical player despite the size, which makes his other skills (IQ, skating and skill) far more exciting.
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Post #187 by Thomas Malthus » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:15 pm

People are bitching about passing on Veleno twice but based on the cohort projection model they use over at CanucksArmy Sandin looks better than Veleno. Of course plenty of scouts had Veleno higher than Sandin but some didn't because of the stark contrast in production before and after being traded to Drummondville. I love Sandin's ability to defend the blueline and it shows up in video clips and some stat tracking that's been done. The offense is of course great but if we can get another guy like Dermott then I'm a very happy man.
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Post #188 by Curry Rage » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:03 am

The D picks sound good. I like my D to stand up at the blueline. Liked that even when they were more likely to hit guys when doing so. Sandin sounds like he could settle in as a solid all-rounder who'll eat up some minutes for you or, if he gets to his ceiling, an anchor for more adventurous players like Timmeth. A nNHL Gunnarsson?

I like the Durzi pick. I know from teaching that not everyone's penny drops at the same time, and you wonder how many guys have gone unnoticed over the years simply because theirs didn't until after their first draft eligible year. His numbers stack up against his age group peers. It's cool that they'd already established a relationship with him so have probably been keeping very close tabs. I can't remember if anyone picked him out during Development Camp last year or not. Might have to do some thread necromancy so we can give rep where it's due.

The forwards are intriguing, especially Alphabet. Those little playmaker guys are valuable with the speed of the game now and not having to fight through hooks and holds.
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Post #189 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:02 am

I'll have to get my buddy from back in the Peterpatch to keep tabs on SDA at games this year. Kral looks like a potential steal at where we picked him. I know people are also kind of pissy about Durzi over Addison but based on some of the numbers they look to be pretty similar. My favourite part about the players that the Leafs picked is that in some of these draft profiles you these guys ranked and then the author says something like "this guy could be picked earlier and it would be totally defensible" or something like that. But, people are slaves to those rankings or have their own guys (I have been guilty of this over the years too) and any deviation = bad.

CanucksArmy has good in-depth profiles on three of our guys with some numbers and scouting reports.

Sandin: https://canucksarmy.com/2018/06/08/canu ... us-sandin/

Durzi: https://canucksarmy.com/2018/06/01/canu ... ean-durzi/

and Kral: https://canucksarmy.com/2018/05/30/canu ... ilip-kral/
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Post #190 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:12 am



Seems like a good kid who's well aware of what his strengths and weaknesses are. Zaitsev being his buddy tells him about how great the team is and gave him tickets to come see the Leafs. Likes watching Marner because he's not the biggest guy but competes hard and plays smart. I like it. Should be fun to watch.
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Post #191 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:49 am

This year will be very interesting for SDA, he kind of gets a pass for last year's production because he was younger than everyone else, but it's very important that he produces this year. At his size, with just good skating ability, he needs to be well over a ppg to be considered a legit prospect, I love the risk though.
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Post #192 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:00 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:This year will be very interesting for SDA, he kind of gets a pass for last year's production because he was younger than everyone else, but it's very important that he produces this year. At his size, with just good skating ability, he needs to be well over a ppg to be considered a legit prospect, I love the risk though.


Yeah, but Peterborough is also pretty shite. He was like second on that team in scoring this year behind noted dynamo Korostelev.
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Post #193 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:10 am

Thomas Malthus wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:This year will be very interesting for SDA, he kind of gets a pass for last year's production because he was younger than everyone else, but it's very important that he produces this year. At his size, with just good skating ability, he needs to be well over a ppg to be considered a legit prospect, I love the risk though.


Yeah, but Peterborough is also pretty shite. He was like second on that team in scoring this year behind noted dynamo Korostelev.


SDA was 4th on his team in PPG. That is fine when you consider his age, but next year he should be held up to the standard of a draft year player, and at that size I think he needs to be in the 80 point range at least to be considered a legit prospect.
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Post #194 by Thomas Malthus » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:41 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Thomas Malthus wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:This year will be very interesting for SDA, he kind of gets a pass for last year's production because he was younger than everyone else, but it's very important that he produces this year. At his size, with just good skating ability, he needs to be well over a ppg to be considered a legit prospect, I love the risk though.


Yeah, but Peterborough is also pretty shite. He was like second on that team in scoring this year behind noted dynamo Korostelev.


SDA was 4th on his team in PPG. That is fine when you consider his age, but next year he should be held up to the standard of a draft year player, and at that size I think he needs to be in the 80 point range at least to be considered a legit prospect.


Yeah, that seems like a fair benchmark. I'm hopeful since he finished the season strong. I read some comments suggesting that he benefited greatly from the Petes' coaching change. I'm hoping that he can spend some time this summer with Underhill working a bit on his acceleration, in clips he seems fine when he can get up to speed through the neutral zone but he's not exceptionally quick from a standstill or in tight. Great hands though and seems very creative.

Some more reading on him if anyone's interested:

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl- ... ing-report

https://www.allaboutthejersey.com/2018/ ... ential-sda

https://www.milehighhockey.com/2018/5/3 ... ing-report
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Post #195 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:52 am

This quote (about being passed over in the 2017 draft) from Durzi makes me like him even more:

“A lot of people leave that weekend and they’re crushed, and they’re not motivated anymore and they just … want to give up,” “I left that weekend more motivated than ever.”
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Post #197 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:35 pm

The more I read about the Leafs draft picks the more encouraged I become. This is obviously excluding the last two picks because there is next to no information pertaining to them, but in Tommy we trust.
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Post #198 by Honus Joglund » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:50 pm

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Post #199 by LeafOfBread » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:05 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:The more I read about the Leafs draft picks the more encouraged I become. This is obviously excluding the last two picks because there is next to no information pertaining to them, but in Tommy we trust.

Scott Wheeler ranked us dead last in his draft ratings. What a virgin that guy is.
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Re: Who needs the playoffs when we have the draft?

Post #200 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:39 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:The more I read about the Leafs draft picks the more encouraged I become. This is obviously excluding the last two picks because there is next to no information pertaining to them, but in Tommy we trust.

Scott Wheeler ranked us dead last in his draft ratings. What a virgin that guy is.


He gave the Leafs an average draft ranking. Are you thinking of someone else?

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