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Post #351 by vf » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:37 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:Pickard claimed by Philly and McBackup claimed by Carolina. We're all in on Sparks now I guess.


Thankfully goalies like them are always available for cheap.
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Post #352 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:42 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:Pickard claimed by Philly and McBackup claimed by Carolina. We're all in on Sparks now I guess.


You are never all in on a backup goalie, but it is reassuring that Sparks looks to be getting a fair shake at an NHL job.
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Post #353 by vf » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:10 pm

McBackup will probably be back on waivers in two weeks when Darling comes back. He could then be reclaimed and demoted.
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Post #354 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:29 pm

vf wrote:McBackup will probably be back on waivers in two weeks when Darling comes back. He could then be reclaimed and demoted.


Assuming that no other team has injuries or that Carolina wants him in the minors since they could simply reclaim him if we aim to send him down.
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Post #355 by vf » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:51 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:
vf wrote:McBackup will probably be back on waivers in two weeks when Darling comes back. He could then be reclaimed and demoted.


Assuming that no other team has injuries or that Carolina wants him in the minors since they could simply reclaim him if we aim to send him down.


Carolina has Mrazek and Darling. When Darling gets back one of Mrazek or Mac go on waivers. If Carolina waive Mac and we win the claim on him he'd be treated as if he cleared waivers and could be sent down immediately.
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Post #356 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:15 pm

vf wrote:
Thomas Malthus wrote:
vf wrote:McBackup will probably be back on waivers in two weeks when Darling comes back. He could then be reclaimed and demoted.


Assuming that no other team has injuries or that Carolina wants him in the minors since they could simply reclaim him if we aim to send him down.


Carolina has Mrazek and Darling. When Darling gets back one of Mrazek or Mac go on waivers. If Carolina waive Mac and we win the claim on him he'd be treated as if he cleared waivers and could be sent down immediately.

Yeah, if what TM was saying was accurate what's to stop teams from playing waiver hot potato?
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Post #357 by WTF » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:25 pm

I'm trying to remember but don't you have to pay some nominal fee to make a waiver claim?
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Post #358 by Dynrehab » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:00 pm

WTF wrote:I'm trying to remember but don't you have to pay some nominal fee to make a waiver claim?


Used to be about $45 000
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Post #359 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:38 pm

vf wrote:
Thomas Malthus wrote:
vf wrote:McBackup will probably be back on waivers in two weeks when Darling comes back. He could then be reclaimed and demoted.


Assuming that no other team has injuries or that Carolina wants him in the minors since they could simply reclaim him if we aim to send him down.


Carolina has Mrazek and Darling. When Darling gets back one of Mrazek or Mac go on waivers. If Carolina waive Mac and we win the claim on him he'd be treated as if he cleared waivers and could be sent down immediately.


For some reason I thought there was a time period after which we wouldn't get to do that claim back situation and so I was thinking that Carolina would be the ones who could simply claim him back treating him as cleared and we'd be required to place him on waivers in order to sent him to the AHL.

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Post #360 by vf » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:18 pm

It doesn't really matter anyways, Mac and Pickard are both on teams with 3 waiver eligible goalies so there's going to be movement.
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Post #362 by LeafOfBread » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:12 am

McBackup with a 31 save win against Columbus in his first game. If Sparks shits the bed on Sunday I'm sure media will run with this
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Post #363 by vf » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:50 pm

I'm sure Simmons is already furiously writing and masturbating at the thought.
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Post #364 by Curry Rage » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:07 pm

Cherry beat him to it.
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Post #365 by clawfirst » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:13 pm

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Post #367 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:50 pm

He's missing how often the Leafs had sustained pressure after the stretch pass. Interesting nonetheless.

Zone time, and high danger attempts also would paint a more detailed picture. Edit: implied that said stretch pass leads to the chances/time...
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Post #368 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:58 pm

Oh oh and he could graph it in 5 game segments and see if Bab's Hanta Yo system is progressing.
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Post #370 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:01 pm

Someone get that kid some PJ's.
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Post #371 by Zardoz » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:33 am

Here's a hot take, while twitter is poking fun at him, I actually love the fuck out of that coat.
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Post #372 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:17 pm

https://www.thepointhockey.com/the-mapl ... -approach/

An interesting take that actually favours the stretch pass
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Post #373 by Curry Rage » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:22 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:https://www.thepointhockey.com/the-maple-leafs-their-love-of-the-stretch-pass-inability-to-execute-it-and-why-its-still-the-right-approach/

An interesting take that actually favours the stretch pass


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Post #374 by stoney » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:39 pm

I'm not against the stretch pass, but it just seems to fly in the face of everything that Babcock says before and after games. He constantly talks about controlling the puck down low, being heavy etc.

The stretch pass, backs up their D and promotes a quick attack, it works as it's own thing. I just don't see how it jives with his chatter.
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Post #375 by Curry Rage » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:50 pm

I’ve always assumed that the stretch pass is the method of getting out of our zone and getting the puck into their zone/deep, then the forwards are supposed to play heavy to keep it there. And in the games where he says “we got our game going” we’re driving teams crazy with speed in their zone.
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Post #376 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:46 pm

Curry Rage wrote:I’ve always assumed that the stretch pass is the method of getting out of our zone and getting the puck into their zone/deep, then the forwards are supposed to play heavy to keep it there. And in the games where he says “we got our game going” we’re driving teams crazy with speed in their zone.

Theoretically yes, this is what it should look like in practice. Problem is the forwards fly the zone leaving the D hanging out to dry and then the D often end up turning it over because they're getting pressured and have no outlet, or they resort to shooting it off the boards and then give up possession.
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Post #377 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:17 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:https://www.thepointhockey.com/the-maple-leafs-their-love-of-the-stretch-pass-inability-to-execute-it-and-why-its-still-the-right-approach/

An interesting take that actually favours the stretch pass


Nice find, LOB. I'm not entirely convinced that we're seeing a good comparison of the counterfactual to the stretch pass in the article though. If you're asking about a cost-benefit analysis of a project and tell me that the cost-benefit ratio is less than 1, I know it's a decent project but that doesn't mean that there isn't a better alternative project.

I'd still like to see a breakdown of how Toronto's offence fared within 10 seconds of a zone entry that didn't originate from a stretch pass. Ten seconds still seems like an awful long time after a zone entry and so I think there's room for other things going on that the story about rush offence (which to me seems to play out in much less time than 10 seconds after entering the zone). Better still, if Toronto is the case study for the stretch pass, I'd love to see what was going on with Vegas on non-stretch pass zone entries last year.

I think Toronto has the skill and coaching staff to blend both together and use the stretch pass frequently to keep team honest while using short passes and strong puck support to generate speed through the neutral zone as a 5 man unit. The wingers can still push back the other team's defenders to threaten the stretch pass but by mixing it with a Vegas style breakout the team creates more space for itself to pick up speed and create controlled zone entries with strong puck support and good positioning to help fight opposing teams' breakouts (something they were great at during the tank year).
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Post #378 by Curry Rage » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:35 am

Hitchcock on the turrible state of Leafs hockey: https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2018/10/ ... 00-foot-g/
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Post #380 by LeafOfBread » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:30 pm



Doesn't sound super serious but I think he'll miss a few more games.
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Post #381 by vf » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:39 pm

Gards is so stunned.

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Post #382 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:33 pm

Hahahaha
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Post #383 by Honus Joglund » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:59 pm

Pierre LeBrun says Carolina is keeping an eye on Nylander, and he thinks that the Leafs would be interested in Pesce in a Nylander deal.

https://www.tsn.ca/video/insider-tradin ... de~1515636

The Leafs part starts at 0:50. Carolina trade part is 2:35.
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Post #384 by Whit Dickman » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:27 pm

Keeping an eye on him do what? Sit in his pajamas, counting the money he's losing?
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Post #385 by Whit Dickman » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:39 pm

K'Andre Miller, Zuccarello, 2019 1st for Nylander

Would you do it? And hope the Rangers win the lottery
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Post #386 by Dutch Dreams » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:49 am

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Post #387 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:50 am

Whit Dickman wrote:K'Andre Miller, Zuccarello, 2019 1st for Nylander

Would you do it? And hope the Rangers win the lottery


Hell no.

Besides, why do the Rangers do it?
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Post #388 by Whit Dickman » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:09 am

Thomas Malthus wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:K'Andre Miller, Zuccarello, 2019 1st for Nylander

Would you do it? And hope the Rangers win the lottery


Hell no.

Besides, why do the Rangers do it?

I have no idea but theres a rumor out of Sweden that zucc is coming to TO
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Post #389 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:25 am

Why would we want Zucarello? He is more of what we have and an impending UFA. I'd rather move him to Anaheim for Josh Manson straight up than that deal.
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Post #390 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:26 am

Any deal with the Rangers has to include Andersson or Chytil.
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Post #391 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:47 am

Mirtle says Leafs and Willy are going bridge deal.
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Post #392 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:39 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:Mirtle says Leafs and Willy are going bridge deal.


Since negotiation has lasted this long, ANY deal makes sense.
I'm fine with either. Just get him on the ice.
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Post #393 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:09 am

How long before Marleau gets pushed down the lineup? He has been invisible all year, and that line has struggled significantly defensively to boot.
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Post #394 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:00 pm

Until Johnsson shows up and/or Willy comes back.
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Post #395 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:35 pm

Let's see how the National Hockey League's official statisticians score the current top five clubs in the world, fellas:

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Post #396 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:07 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:How long before Marleau gets pushed down the lineup? He has been invisible all year, and that line has struggled significantly defensively to boot.


Ya he needs to be put with Kadri. He'll be burnt come playoff time.
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Post #397 by LeafOfBread » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:44 pm

Apparently Dubas was at the Flames/Rangers game. Earlier in the week the Rangers had scouts at the Leafs/Penguins game. There was some rumour floating around about Willy to NYR but if Dubas flew all the way to Switzerland just to tell Willy he's not being traded that doesn't add up. Wonder who we're interested in.
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Post #399 by paulster » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:36 am

Maybe Dubas just likes going to see hockey games. I mean I have to assume it’d be on his resume under “Hobbies and Interests.”
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Post #400 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:16 am

paulster wrote:Maybe Dubas just likes going to see hockey games. I mean I have to assume it’d be on his resume under “Hobbies and Interests.”


We play Calgary next week. Perhaps he's getting in some scouting. :trump:

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