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The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:01 pm
by Philthy Thrillz
Fuck Babcock

Kappanen JT Marner
Marner with 70 assists

Marleau Matthews Willy
Matthews 50 goals playing shit competition

Hyman Kadri Brown
Shut down line.

AJ vet whatever

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:07 pm
by Philthy Thrillz
Our pp is going to be ridiculous. Ffs Babs, overload the pp1

Tavares and Mathews down low, Marner on the half boards, Mo up top, Marleau in the slot.

Fuck me.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:59 pm
by Philthy Thrillz
MATTHEWS
JT
KADRI

Any gud pros out there that could sign a one year deal, to truly, once and for all have the deepest center depth in the league?

Who is the favourite as of now?

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:27 pm
by Whit Dickman
How are you typing all of this with only one hand?

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:09 am
by Philthy Thrillz
Very carefully.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:53 am
by AGENT ZERO
If you play the Kadri unit as a shutdown line the opposition can just play their top line more which will limit the minutes of JT and Matthews. The Leafs should just go strength on strength, no team can match their top end plus depth up front. No need to overthink it, the mismatches will happen regardless.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:20 am
by Whit Dickman
If anything, it would make more sense to play Tavares with Hyman and Brown since he will bring up the scoring of anyone he plays with.

But I still much prefer stapling Bill to AM, Mitch to JT, and Patty to Kadri. Shuffle the other wingers around and see who fits best where.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:49 am
by LeafOfBread
Whit Dickman wrote:If anything, it would make more sense to play Tavares with Hyman and Brown since he will bring up the scoring of anyone he plays with.

But I still much prefer stapling Bill to AM, Mitch to JT, and Patty to Kadri. Shuffle the other wingers around and see who fits best where.

I don't think Tavares would be too pleased about going from Bailey and Lee to Hyman and Brown. One of the biggest criticisms of NYI was that they could never give him an elite winger.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:53 am
by Whit Dickman
JT will be happy if we win hockey games

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:01 am
by LeafOfBread
Whit Dickman wrote:JT will be happy if we win hockey games

True but I also don't see a scenario where JT playing without either of Nylander or Marner, or at the very least even a Kapanen or Johnsson helps the team win more games.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:48 am
by Thomas Malthus
I'm telling you fellas. No fourth line C, just alternate double shifting Matthews and JT with the fourth line wingers (one of whom will be Johnsson, Brown, or Kapanen. So definitely not plugs).

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:33 pm
by AGENT ZERO
Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:45 pm
by Whit Dickman
AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


He's defensively responsible and .41 PPG in his career and has scored 20 goals in a season.

I like Kapanen, but he has 10 points to his name (13 if you count the playoffs). That's good for .18 PPG

Hard to say what we have in Johnsson. But he'll be playing left wing anyway.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:46 pm
by Whit Dickman
Thomas Malthus wrote:I'm telling you fellas. No fourth line C, just alternate double shifting Matthews and JT with the fourth line wingers (one of whom will be Johnsson, Brown, or Kapanen. So definitely not plugs).


With Leivo or maybe Ennis on the 4th line, it would actually be a scoring line. I think it's a great idea. Doubt it will happen though

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:00 pm
by paulster
8 d-men and 10 forwards.

#gamechanger

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:07 pm
by Philthy Thrillz
AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


Brown did have a bit of a down year last year, but it was still decent. I'm betting it will be a much better year this year.

Those two still need to prove themselves. Right now, Brown is ahead of both.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:37 pm
by AGENT ZERO
Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


He's defensively responsible and .41 PPG in his career and has scored 20 goals in a season.

I like Kapanen, but he has 10 points to his name (13 if you count the playoffs). That's good for .18 PPG

Hard to say what we have in Johnsson. But he'll be playing left wing anyway.


The metrics don't support the notion that Brown is an effective defensive player. Every line he played on last season (save for the fourth line) did worst with him on it than without from a shots against, and expected goals stand-point, and he isn't an offensive driver. I prefer Kapanen and Johnsson because they are quicker players who also have strong defensive reputations and better underlying numbers. That said, if the biggest problem this team has is whether to play Brown on the third or fourth line they are obviously in great shape.

As for PPG, it is not fair to compare when one player has largely played in the top 9 with top line ice time, and the other has played exclusively in a 4th line role.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:38 pm
by Philthy Thrillz
The Goat has not been sacrificed.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:02 pm
by WTF
Philthy Thrillz wrote:The Goat has not been sacrificed.




The Goat abides.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:10 pm
by AGENT ZERO
If he can find a niche on the pk, and win his fair share of faceoffs he can actually be a useful piece now that we have 3 dominant ES centers.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:50 pm
by Whit Dickman
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


He's defensively responsible and .41 PPG in his career and has scored 20 goals in a season.

I like Kapanen, but he has 10 points to his name (13 if you count the playoffs). That's good for .18 PPG

Hard to say what we have in Johnsson. But he'll be playing left wing anyway.


The metrics don't support the notion that Brown is an effective defensive player. Every line he played on last season (save for the fourth line) did worst with him on it than without from a shots against, and expected goals stand-point, and he isn't an offensive driver. I prefer Kapanen and Johnsson because they are quicker players who also have strong defensive reputations and better underlying numbers. That said, if the biggest problem this team has is whether to play Brown on the third or fourth line they are obviously in great shape.

As for PPG, it is not fair to compare when one player has largely played in the top 9 with top line ice time, and the other has played exclusively in a 4th line role.


Just stfu AZ

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:28 pm
by AGENT ZERO
You STFU

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:20 pm
by Whit Dickman
I have great ideas

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:20 pm
by Thomas Malthus
Whit Dickman wrote:I have great ideas


"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" doing a lot of heavy lifting here, EB. :colbertsmile:

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:49 pm
by mooseOAK
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


He's defensively responsible and .41 PPG in his career and has scored 20 goals in a season.

I like Kapanen, but he has 10 points to his name (13 if you count the playoffs). That's good for .18 PPG

Hard to say what we have in Johnsson. But he'll be playing left wing anyway.


The metrics don't support the notion that Brown is an effective defensive player. Every line he played on last season (save for the fourth line) did worst with him on it than without from a shots against, and expected goals stand-point, and he isn't an offensive driver. I prefer Kapanen and Johnsson because they are quicker players who also have strong defensive reputations and better underlying numbers. That said, if the biggest problem this team has is whether to play Brown on the third or fourth line they are obviously in great shape.

As for PPG, it is not fair to compare when one player has largely played in the top 9 with top line ice time, and the other has played exclusively in a 4th line role.

Please check out the plus minus for Bozak and Van Riemsdyk with Brown instead of Marner.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:27 pm
by clawfirst
You cant use plus minus Oak. Its a squint rule. They didnt tell you cause they are jerks

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:09 am
by Dynrehab
Marner-JT
Nylander-Matthews
Marleau-Kadri

Not sure why they’d go away from these pairings.

The wingers can rotate through.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:10 pm
by Philthy Thrillz
Vermette one year deal for the 4th line center?

Babs would concur, to be sure.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:14 pm
by Dynrehab
Philthy Thrillz wrote:Vermette one year deal for the 4th line center?

Babs would concur, to be sure.


Goat for me. Add a Vermette at the deadline if it is the right thing to do.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:22 pm
by AGENT ZERO
Philthy Thrillz wrote:Vermette one year deal for the 4th line center?

Babs would concur, to be sure.


Vermette sucks, and Babs was one of the main guys that sold Lindholm on Toronto because of how he could help the team now. The job is his to lose.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:11 pm
by Philthy Thrillz
I forgot about him. I thought Vermette was great at draws and pk. My mistake.

Re: The best forward group in Leafs history.

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:50 pm
by AGENT ZERO
Philthy Thrillz wrote:I forgot about him. I thought Vermette was great at draws and pk. My mistake.


He is great at draws, but the rest of his game has dropped off considerably. I would rather let Goat and Lindholm fight it out for that spot, or if you really want to bring in a potential upgrade offer Nick Shore a cheap one year deal.