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Post #151 by vf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:I'm fine with having Sparks instead of McBackup. I'm just not on the Sparks hype train.


I'm not on the hype train either, but if Leafs management thinks there's a real chance of losing him on waivers I'd keep him over McElhinney.
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Post #152 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:18 pm

vf wrote:
Thomas Malthus wrote:I'm fine with having Sparks instead of McBackup. I'm just not on the Sparks hype train.


I'm not on the hype train either, but if Leafs management thinks there's a real chance of losing him on waivers I'd keep him over McElhinney.


I agree. McBackup has been solid for us but it's unlikely that continues due to a) him not having a strong track record of success outside our organization; and b) goaltender aging curves.

Just to clarify, I've never been on team "McBackup > Sparks". I am on team "age 25 players aren't prospects and there's no such thing as a blue chip goalie prospect". I'm fine with people disagreeing with me for being on that team.
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Post #153 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:17 pm

Sparks every time. He's more than paid his dues.
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Post #154 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:38 pm

ALRIGHT BOYS HERE WE GO
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Post #155 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:06 pm

What time does the game start tonight?
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Post #156 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:16 pm

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Post #157 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:20 pm

My joke is ruined by Naz with a great shot on the PP.

Even strength, the Leafs were hot garbage.
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Post #158 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:25 pm

Oh haha. Rosen with a couple of grenades in hia own zone.
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Post #159 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:26 pm

Surprised Price had to make 6 saves. Majority of which were probably on the PP.
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Post #160 by Honus Joglund » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:26 pm

Roshiganov didn't have a good period. But nobody was very good, either.
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Post #161 by MonkeyWrench » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:37 pm

Matthews shot should have a censored bar over it.
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Post #162 by WTF » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:45 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:Matthews shot should have a censored bar over it.


Having Marner and Matthews on the same powerplay unit almost feels like we're cheating.
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Post #163 by stoney » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:48 pm

Rosen is playing himself onto the Marlies
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Post #164 by WTF » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:48 pm

Rosen playing like he needs more time in the AHL.
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Post #165 by Honus Joglund » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:34 pm

What was that? :donger:
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Post #166 by WTF » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:34 pm

SUSF!

Back-to-back shorties. Awesome.
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Post #167 by Honus Joglund » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:34 pm

Jeff Petry :donger: :donger:
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Post #168 by WTF » Wed Sep 26, 2018 9:58 pm

Marner is on fire tonight.
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Post #170 by Whit Dickman » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:01 pm



So, seems Sparks and Carrick are out (although he might be 7th Dman). Curious who stays with the team if Billy doesn't sign. And whether Ennis or Leivo get the start of Billy does sign.

Think Kapanen would be better on Kadris like if Ennis is there instead of Leivo. Faster line with more offense off the rush. Built like a possession line right now.
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Post #171 by mooseOAK » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:05 pm

Today’s poll question: Will any of the Leafs’ pre-season opponents make the playoffs?
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Post #172 by LeafOfBread » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:23 pm

It would be nice for Brown to get bumped down a line and swapped with Kapanen. He's been invisible.
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Post #173 by Thomas Malthus » Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:31 pm

Yeah, I like Brown but he’s just not been as productive as I’d like. When he joined the Bozak line in place of Marner that line still played well but individually Brown was disappointing and hasn’t shown to drive play well so far in his career.
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Post #174 by MonkeyWrench » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:13 pm

He's got good instincts, good compete, he does what the coaches tell him to do. But he's not at Hyman's level of being a complementary player. And he just hasn't done a whole lot with the puck on his stick thus far in pre-season. He's in Babcock's "safe" book though. So it will likely be a handful of games before he swaps that RW spot.

I know what to expect from Kadri, but I have no idea what kind of season Leivo/Ennis/Brown will have.
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Post #175 by Thomas Malthus » Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:27 pm

I think Johnsson has the skill set to bring some of what Hyman does to a line. Johnsson, when he’s going, is really smart with stick lifts and body positioning on the forecheck. It doesn’t hurt that he can move the puck too. I’m hoping that he gets a look with Kadri. Kapanen too, for that matter.

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Post #176 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:50 am

How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.
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Post #177 by LeafOfBread » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:42 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.

I don't think he does this. Kadri leads the entire league in PP goals/60 over the last two seasons, and is perfect where he is currently slotted in that unit.

IMO that unit will prove to be very lethal very quickly and Babs won't mess with it.
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Post #178 by LeafOfBread » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:46 am

Also looks like Dermott is back in tonight. Makes sense since Rosen was pretty bad against Montreal.
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Post #179 by MonkeyWrench » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:57 am

I'm more interested in who takes that RD spot. There hasn't been a standout, but the one tool that's stood out to me is Igor's breakout pass. Quick and accurate. Everything else is meh thus far, but it's better than nothing.
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Post #180 by LeafOfBread » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:19 am

MonkeyWrench wrote:I'm more interested in who takes that RD spot. There hasn't been a standout, but the one tool that's stood out to me is Igor's breakout pass. Quick and accurate. Everything else is meh thus far, but it's better than nothing.

IMO Oz has it locked up pretty much. He's gotten preference over Holl and Carrick in these full line-up games.

Oz is kind of like a more mobile Polak who can actually pass. For a #6 guy I'll take it.

Babcock was also talking about the importance of being 'heavy' and how the Capitals were the heaviest team last year. That alone puts Oz ahead of the pack.
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Post #181 by Whit Dickman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:23 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.


Counterpoint: Any one of his top 3 centers can just back on to the ice after the 2nd unit plays the last 30ish seconds of a PP.
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Post #182 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:31 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.


Counterpoint: Any one of his top 3 centers can just back on to the ice after the 2nd unit plays the last 30ish seconds of a PP.


Not if the first unit scores. :wink:
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Post #183 by mooseOAK » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:24 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.


Counterpoint: Any one of his top 3 centers can just back on to the ice after the 2nd unit plays the last 30ish seconds of a PP.

If the first unit stays out there a long time and scores then the only choices are a cobbled together line of wingers or the fourth line. The opposition’s first line is rested and waiting.
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Post #184 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:43 pm

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AGENT ZERO wrote:How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.

I don't think he does this. Kadri leads the entire league in PP goals/60 over the last two seasons, and is perfect where he is currently slotted in that unit.

IMO that unit will prove to be very lethal very quickly and Babs won't mess with it.


This excerpt from Justin Bourne of The Athletic sums up my thoughts on this:

This topic has already been beaten to death, but let me throw my hat in the ring: I think Babcock made some promises to Auston Matthews this summer during their meeting in Arizona about powerplay time, because it is a little strange that you’d have one of the game’s best goal scorers eating up the tail-end seconds of your powerplays. You could see how Matthews would be annoyed by that, even with the other unit having success.

I think they probably made some promises to John Tavares as part of the pitch to get him to Toronto.

Nazem Kadri’s been their leading PP goal scorer. Mitch Marner’s not going anywhere, he’s a wizard in that flank spot.

All of this is to say that the Leafs kind of painted themselves in a corner, and they have to at least try this unit, even if the staff doesn’t love it. I just think it’s going to create too many headaches. First off, one of those C’s is almost certainly going to have just played the shift before the powerplay starts, meaning one guy is gassed before the puck drops. Then we know the issue after the powerplay, when you’re going to be throwing out your fourth line against (likely) the other team’s best players, unless you want to throw one of those three C’s back on the ice after about 30 seconds rest. In sum, I don’t think Babs is going to enjoy it – his lines will be jumbled for minutes of game play after every powerplay.

I’ll be looking for a window where they don’t score for about three games, and Mike uses that as the catalyst to “try something different.” You can hear him now: “Well, everyone told me how great they were gonna be, but if you don’t score, you don’t get to just keep going over the boards. We’re gonna try something different and see if we can’t score a couple.”
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Post #185 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:47 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:I'm more interested in who takes that RD spot. There hasn't been a standout, but the one tool that's stood out to me is Igor's breakout pass. Quick and accurate. Everything else is meh thus far, but it's better than nothing.


I've been pretty impressed with Ozhiganov myself. He looks poised back there, and is a much better passer than I anticipated. He got lost a few times in coverage during the pre-season, but I'll bet alot of that has to do with a language barrier in communication.
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Post #186 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:51 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.


Counterpoint: Any one of his top 3 centers can just back on to the ice after the 2nd unit plays the last 30ish seconds of a PP.


That is not ideal, and is only half of the problem, the other half is that one of them will likely have played the shift before the pp and be gassed as a result.
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Post #187 by vf » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:15 pm

What if Lindholm doesn't suck and it's not a problem?
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Post #188 by Thomas Malthus » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:22 pm

Split into two units and give the odd centre out extra shifts with Kappy and Johnsson. Seriously don’t need Lindholm, barrring injury.
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Post #189 by Whit Dickman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:24 pm

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Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.


Counterpoint: Any one of his top 3 centers can just back on to the ice after the 2nd unit plays the last 30ish seconds of a PP.

If the first unit stays out there a long time and scores then the only choices are a cobbled together line of wingers or the fourth line. The opposition’s first line is rested and waiting.


They can just toss out the 2nd unit PP with Marleau as C for the next shift. No problem
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Post #190 by Whit Dickman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:26 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
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AGENT ZERO wrote:How long do you guys think it takes Babcock to move Kadri onto the second unit pp? You just know he hates the idea of his top 3 centres playing on one pp and will make a change the moment they go cold.


Counterpoint: Any one of his top 3 centers can just back on to the ice after the 2nd unit plays the last 30ish seconds of a PP.


That is not ideal, and is only half of the problem, the other half is that one of them will likely have played the shift before the pp and be gassed as a result.


If one of them is gassed then toss someone else out for that PP. Don't need to change the unit
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Post #191 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:42 pm

vf wrote:What if Lindholm doesn't suck and it's not a problem?


I don't think Lindholm sucks, but that doesn't mean I want him coming over the boards against the oppositions best line after a pp.
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Post #192 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:43 pm

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Counterpoint: Any one of his top 3 centers can just back on to the ice after the 2nd unit plays the last 30ish seconds of a PP.


That is not ideal, and is only half of the problem, the other half is that one of them will likely have played the shift before the pp and be gassed as a result.


If one of them is gassed then toss someone else out for that PP. Don't need to change the unit


Swapping out Kadri for Johnsson accomplishes the same goal.
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Post #193 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:44 pm

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Counterpoint: Any one of his top 3 centers can just back on to the ice after the 2nd unit plays the last 30ish seconds of a PP.

If the first unit stays out there a long time and scores then the only choices are a cobbled together line of wingers or the fourth line. The opposition’s first line is rested and waiting.


They can just toss out the 2nd unit PP with Marleau as C for the next shift. No problem


That is a good point, I forgot Marleau can play C.
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Post #194 by Honus Joglund » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:58 pm

This PP/centremen controversy is so ridiculous.

If Matthews, Tavares and Kadri are on one PP unit, Marleau and Nylander will be on the other. It doesn't matter which unit finishes the PP, there will be at least two good centremen available for the first shift afterward. Are we under the impression that teams hold good centremen off the PP because they're scared that they won't have somebody to play the first shift after the PP?

Even when things are good, the media always has to find something to pick at.
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Post #195 by mooseOAK » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:31 pm

Top three centremen on one PP is just plain stupid.
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Post #196 by clawfirst » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:36 pm

Yep. Im on angry old man yelling at clouds team.
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Post #197 by WTF » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:42 pm

Naz with the reminder that he's a real gud player too.
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Post #198 by WTF » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:39 pm

What a bullshit call.
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Post #199 by Whit Dickman » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:42 pm

Why is Ferraro saying that Leivo has had a weak training camp? He's been decent. Not amazing, but he's fighting for a 12ish minute a night position
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Post #200 by WTF » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:04 pm

JOHNNY T!

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