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Re: Walter White's New Jersey Devils News - Still No Getzo Edition

Post #351 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:52 pm

Kind of an arbitrary ranking. We’re probably gonna be around 31st in rookie scoring this year. Doesn’t really mean anything.
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Post #352 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:53 pm

Walter White wrote:
vonbonds wrote:
TreasonWeasel wrote:This point of view is bullshit if I’m honest

“What prospects do we even have?”
*provides list*
“Whatever, Bergfors/Tedenby/Josefson sucked so these guys will too”

His point is and I agree until we see them against NHL competition we won’t know what they really are. This team doesn’t have a good track record of nurturing along young talent.


except last year when we were 2nd in the entire league in rookie scoring?

Aside from that right?

Let’s see how we do without a 1st overall pick with that stat because as you said you don’t need top picks to rebuild
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Post #353 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:54 pm

da god wrote:Kind of an arbitrary ranking. We’re probably gonna be around 31st in rookie scoring this year. Doesn’t really mean anything.


right right

anything to push the narrative
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Post #354 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:00 pm

Both sides of the aisle - pumping the tires of young players who have blown chance after chance/doom and gloom about prospects who are objectively lauded by those who would know - are annoying. Just to be clear on where I stand
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Post #355 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:03 pm

I am not pumping Zacha anymore. I was before the year, because I thought he had finally turned the corner. And the first 2-3 games he did look like that. But since he has dropped even below where he was last year, which is obviously disappointing

Lets see him put up some numbers in the AHL and then maybe we can become at least a regular NHLer
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Post #356 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:09 pm

Walter White wrote:
da god wrote:Kind of an arbitrary ranking. We’re probably gonna be around 31st in rookie scoring this year. Doesn’t really mean anything.


right right

anything to push the narrative

Alright so do you give me permission to come back in 8 months and say “we’re 31st in rookie scoring. We’re screwed for the future?”

It’s an abirtary ranking.
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Post #357 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:17 pm

von basically said we don't develop any young players

I responded saying we do, as evidenced by how many rookies contributed in big ways to our team last year. What did I say that was wrong exactly?

not really sure how you spun this into another argument, yet here we are
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Post #358 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:30 pm

I’m not arguing anything. I’m just saying it’s an arbitrary ranking. I’m not on a side.

That said, if you want to use this arbitrary ranking as a basis, you should also consider that we didn’t really “develop” Nico, Bratt, or Butcher who accounted for probably close to 95% of those rookie points. Nico was in Switzerland, Bratt in Sweden, and Butcher in college and not even our asset, the year prior. We had literally no influence on their development until we got them at the NHL level. Prospects currently playing Bingo or playing in juniors per our advice, are a completely different situation than the 3 rookies last year.
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Post #359 by CerebralGenesis » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:40 pm

I don't think our development is particularly good but that wasn't even my point, not all the prospects will pan out. Hell you can't even count on top 10 panning out just because.
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Post #360 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:41 pm

of course not all of them will pan out. But like I said, we don't need all of them to pan out. Especially if Mueller and Severson can continue to be top 4 DMen and Bratt comes back and cements himself as a top 6 forward
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Post #361 by Boring Choice #2 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:48 pm

If Shero had signed Tavares this summer, it would have been perfect. It would have given the team a chance to not worry about the top 2 lines, and Zajac would be the perfect 3 line centre. We'd be watching a top 6 team in the East.

But now we have to watch a team struggle through growing pains for the next few years and worry about whether Hall and Vatanen are going to want to stick around for a growing team. I think that they do, but you never know for sure.
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Post #362 by Boring Choice #2 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:51 pm

Walter White wrote:von basically said we don't develop any young players

To be far, the team didn't develop any of the 3 rookies last year. One was a top pick who came in pre-developed, one was the top college UFA, and the third was a fluke. But none of them were developed by the team.

Edit:I guess it was covered already
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Post #363 by åboriginal » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:13 pm

I haven’t lost complete faith in zacha but he’s a shitshow right now. Maybe he takes a few years to break out but I doubt it. Cut losses and trade for what u can. Maybe flip for another similar prospect who could use a fresh start. Whatever tho, I don’t give a fuck.
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Post #364 by The Ders » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:26 pm

Is Josefson ready yet
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Post #365 by åboriginal » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:30 pm

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Post #366 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:41 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:If Shero had signed Tavares this summer, it would have been perfect. It would have given the team a chance to not worry about the top 2 lines, and Zajac would be the perfect 3 line centre. We'd be watching a top 6 team in the East.

But now we have to watch a team struggle through growing pains for the next few years and worry about whether Hall and Vatanen are going to want to stick around for a growing team. I think that they do, but you never know for sure.

Pretty much. Although I think JT basically ruled out the Metro in free agency. I think those two will stick around but until they get a legitimate #2 center it’s going to be a tough go against the better teams in the conference
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Post #367 by CerebralGenesis » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:54 pm

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Post #368 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:10 pm

You guys are still doing this?!?!?! Lmaooooooooo
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Post #370 by shredz » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:00 am

Boring Choice #2 wrote:If Shero had signed Tavares this summer, it would have been perfect. It would have given the team a chance to not worry about the top 2 lines, and Zajac would be the perfect 3 line centre. We'd be watching a top 6 team in the East.

But now we have to watch a team struggle through growing pains for the next few years and worry about whether Hall and Vatanen are going to want to stick around for a growing team. I think that they do, but you never know for sure.


Nabbing Skinner and De Haan would have been more realistic but alas, Rooney's and Gryba's. :why:
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Post #371 by shredz » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:05 am

Boring Choice #2 wrote:
Walter White wrote:von basically said we don't develop any young players

To be far, the team didn't develop any of the 3 rookies last year. One was a top pick who came in pre-developed, one was the top college UFA, and the third was a fluke. But none of them were developed by the team.

Edit:I guess it was covered already


I don't think Butcher's season was a fluke but he probably will solidify into a (very good) PP specialist.

We really needed Zacha (or anyone at #6) to pan out. Disappointing but not surprising.
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Post #372 by GM17 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:59 am

it's fucking retarded having 3 players at or above a pt/game and nobody else is close
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Post #373 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:24 pm



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Post #374 by The Ders » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:27 pm

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Post #375 by CerebralGenesis » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:07 pm

i know we all have guys on the team we don't like for one reason or another but the anti-butcher train is strange to me. There are so many other more obvious picks
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Post #376 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:11 pm

Complain about a free asset who scores 45 points as a rook, makes sense.
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Post #377 by Walter White » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:25 pm

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Post #378 by shredz » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:31 pm

CerebralGenesis wrote:i know we all have guys on the team we don't like for one reason or another but the anti-butcher train is strange to me. There are so many other more obvious picks


I'm not complaining about Butcher. Just saying he's probably gonna regress slightly which is fine.
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Post #379 by da god » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:57 pm

Butcher is fine but I don’t think he’s as good as many people claim him to be. I’ve said this before but I think it’s very possible he never replicates the season he had last year.
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Post #380 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:17 pm

He's on pace for 50 this year after 44 last year, but whatever you say, hoss.
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Post #381 by da god » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:20 pm

And I hope he maintains that pace for the next 70
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Post #382 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:24 pm

Most of his points are PPP, he's never going to be anything more than a PP specialist but that's not bad for a guy you got for free. Especially considering College FA guys usually bust.
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Post #383 by TreasonWeasel » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm

Still think Butcher can offer more at ES with a partner that actually belongs in an NHL lineup. I don’t think he’ll put up more than 40-45 regularly (maybe 50 once or twice in his prime if we improve) but yeah, he’s house money anyway
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Post #384 by Walter White » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:38 pm

if Santini could ever stay in the lineup consistently I think the 2 of them make up a good bottom pairing
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Post #385 by vonbonds » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:39 pm

Butcher doesn’t play defense..that’s my gripe with him. I like him as is but I worry what contract he’ll demand as a PP specialist dor the most part
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Post #386 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:54 pm

Walter White wrote:if Santini could ever stay in the lineup consistently I think the 2 of them make up a good bottom pairing


I believe they played as a pair at the USNTDP.
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Post #387 by CerebralGenesis » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:17 pm

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Post #388 by da god » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:25 am

vonbonds wrote:Butcher doesn’t play defense..that’s my gripe with him. I like him as is but I worry what contract he’ll demand as a PP specialist dor the most part

I wouldn’t really call my view of him a gripe, but I agree with you. I mean, if he was a great defender then he wouldn’t have been a former 6th round college UFA signing with us, but at the same time, you want him to be at least serviceable. He’s almost a disaster at defense, but you can’t really complain if he’s going to put up points at a fast rate.
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Post #389 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:51 am

You can't really complain, but here's my complaint anyway
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Post #390 by åboriginal » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:21 am

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Post #391 by da god » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:37 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:You can't really complain, but here's my complaint anyway

Where did I complain?

Is wanting Butcher to be better defensively that hot of a take? If so you guys have gotten extremely soft.
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Post #392 by TreasonWeasel » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:59 am

There’s a reason Butcher is still sheltered. He still has plenty of time to improve there though
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Post #393 by Walter White » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:03 pm



I thought he was already waived

making room for Bratt I would imagine
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Post #394 by TreasonWeasel » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:46 pm

Nah he was sent down for conditioning and thus still counted
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Post #395 by Walter White » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:33 pm




As per Amanda:

Hall Hischier Palmieri
Johansson Seney Bratt
Coleman Zajac Anderson
Boyle Dea Wood
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Post #396 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:12 pm

It's like Seney is a placeholder for a real 2nd line centre. Just need Ray to figure that out.
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Post #397 by Walter White » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:14 pm

I agree. Put a real 2C there and those lines are actually decent
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Post #398 by Gay4Clemmer » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:17 pm

Would have loved to have brought in Stastny short term but he got overpaid.
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Post #399 by da god » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:32 pm

Gay4Clemmer wrote:Would have loved to have brought in Stastny short term but he got overpaid.

3 years 6.5 per

We could have offered him 3 years 8.5 per and not have been hampered by it

But whatever
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Post #400 by TreasonWeasel » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:59 pm

Yeah Stastny would’ve been perfect. Lesson hopefully learned, don’t stake what’s basically amounted to the depth of your bottom three lines on someone with a career high of 25 points

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