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Post #351 by Walter White » Sun May 20, 2018 11:31 pm

I think it was a conditional 7th based on if we re signed him IIRC

So basically free
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Post #352 by da god » Mon May 21, 2018 6:03 am

He wasn’t even bad for us
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Post #353 by Walter White » Mon May 21, 2018 9:32 am

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/e ... -146154269

Wanted to see what everyone though about the value of this deal

Sens Acquire -Vlad Namestnikov, Anthony Deangelo, 1st Rounder (Not the 9th Overall), and 2nd Rounder

For

Rangers Acquire - Erik Karlsson


there are so many levels to this, but my favorite is "not the 9th overall"
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Post #354 by Walter White » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:38 pm

JrFischer having a rough go of it today with the concussion/Boynton news

"ok so the issue is the nhl refusal to acknowledge this. so the nhl comes out and acknowledges the sport is dangerous and there is a link. they say play at your own risk? will everyone shut up about this then? is that all it will take?"
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Post #355 by Rockie » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:09 pm

"hi sorry about those nukes japan but ya know war is dangerous and there is a link between war and getting obliterated into the 14th century... what's that? you want us to prop up your economy for the next decade? why the fuck would we ever do that"

General JrFischer, probably
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Post #356 by Walter White » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:04 pm

jorge martinez on hf is losing his mind because we are not involved in any rumors, saying it means we aren't gonna make any moves, saying he is sick of being the "quietest franchise in sports"

real rational stuff
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Post #357 by Walter White » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:55 pm

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/147580327/

re: Tavares

just wait. hes gonna get 10 mil + per year.

hes done nothing. decent player but wayyyy overrated
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Post #359 by Walter White » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:44 pm

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ ... t.2513195/

New
this is HYPOTHETICAL

Hank has 3 more years at 8.5m per.
He'd like to compete for a cup but loves NYC and NYR

If it were possible by some loophole, if Rangers could reduce term on his contract, I think a deal could be had with Isles to rent him for 1 yr, this upcoming season. Maybe 2 years, but let's be definite and say 1.

Cost from Isles would be expensive, and this would have made more sense had they retained Tavares, but let's say they bite the bullet and go there.

Now, what procedure agreeable to all parties would be legal and work?
If a loophole does not exist, can one be created?

Obviously, the idea here is not to have salary retained, b'c it creates restrictions if Hank comes back after, which is part of the whole concept so it is palatable.

Is it legal for the Rangers to ask him to request out of his contract in exchange for specific considerations to his benefit?
Can they say to him, we will honor what is in place if you insist,
but
if you ask out of this contract.
we will replace it with 1 yr, 7m, NMC
then
"afterwards" = "once you return if we trade you and as UFA you elect to return here"
then and in that event,
we will then give you 2 more years at 10m.

Lundqvist does standup best for Isles who surrender Wahlstrom or Dobson for the 1 yr rental at half [3.5].

Regardless of outcome, 2019-2020 Hank returns, and Rangers honor verbal commitment they will give him 2 yrs 10m per.
He takes one for the team, but next season Ranger rebuild is further along, so it is to his advantage as well, as he gets both mo $ and faster shot at more competitive Ranger team his last 2 yrs.

Can a player and team voluntarily agree to such arrangement/rearrangement if the player, intangibles aside, winds up w/mo $ in the end?

Curious as to rules/loopholes perspective.

thanks in advance


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Post #360 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:49 pm

What?
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Post #361 by TreasonWeasel » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:53 pm

curious as to whether any of you neckbeards know the CBA better than the lawyers in NHL compliance. Thanks in advance
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Post #362 by da god » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:54 pm

Sounds like he wants the Islanders to trade a piece or two to the Rangers and in exchange they terminate his contract under the condition that he re-signs next year for 2 years and 10 mil. In the interim the Isles sign him for 1 year and he wins a Cup.

Where does one even begin
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Post #363 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:55 pm

I think you need to be given an IQ test before you register for a username there.
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Post #364 by guyincognito » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:13 pm

How does one terminate a contract without signing retirement papers?
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Post #365 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:18 pm

Beat their wives
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Post #366 by da god » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:22 pm

guyincognito wrote:How does one terminate a contract without signing retirement papers?

$125 waivers
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Post #367 by guyincognito » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:30 pm

I don't think I've looked at the last CBA but wouldn't unconditional waivers be a precursor to a buyout? Unless it's for cause like Voynov?
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Post #368 by CerebralGenesis » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:44 pm

holy crap what did i just read from HF
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Post #369 by da god » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:55 pm

guyincognito wrote:I don't think I've looked at the last CBA but wouldn't unconditional waivers be a precursor to a buyout? Unless it's for cause like Voynov?

Im pretty sure it’s just contract termination but I could be wrong. Either way, it wouldn’t effect a team’s salary cap.
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Post #370 by selyar » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:54 am

Walter White wrote:https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/request-for-technical-ruling-on-player-contract.2513195/

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OMG. ROFL.
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Post #371 by Walter White » Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:27 pm

just got this on Twitter:

They got rid of a 2nd and 3rd for Palmieri. Not assess. The Taylor Hall trade was awful. You replaced Larson with Vatanen but replaced Henrique with Hirscher. Honestly it’s almost like a wash and you didn’t gain depth. They don’t have the assets Ottawa is looking for. Sorry


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Post #372 by shredz » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:50 pm

i really dont get this. do people just gotta complain about everything?

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Post #373 by Walter White » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:52 pm

I refuse to believe someone could be that stupid
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Post #374 by shredz » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:55 pm

another dolt who has no idea what ELC's are.

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Post #375 by Rockie » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:01 pm

That's a meme
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Post #376 by shredz » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:01 pm



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Post #379 by Walter White » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:10 pm

makes u think
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Post #380 by shredz » Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:29 am

Dat Boi wrote:https://twitter.com/J_Calli/status/1016402080628662272


The moment I stopped reading this JR's voiceover "GOOD GOD GOOD GOD THEY'VE KILLED HIM" went off in my head as I visualized my brain splitting in half like a cashew and the Devil himself rises from the debris.
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Post #381 by Walter White » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:15 pm

Not trying to be edgy at all and I’m fine coming off as a jerk. But your making it sound like the guy bravely sacrificed leaving his family doing peace core work. Again he chose to be away from his family playing a game. Good for him making millions doing it. He easily could’ve got a 9-5 job in the saint Louis area and make a lot less but see his family a lot more no?




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Post #382 by Walter White » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:12 am

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ ... 3.2523175/

Here's my proposal:

Draisaitl + caggigula + aberg + nurse + Larsson + benning

For

Wood + bratt + hischier + butcher + vatanen + santini


Here's the rationale:

The oilers don't have a lot of cap space, they are weak on the wings, their power play was poor last season and they need right handed defence for the short term. They can't sign nurse to a contract and fill out the rest of the roster without making a move. Due to chiarelli giving nmc's to underperforming players like Russell lucic and sekera, they can't be moved without permission and it seems rather unlikely they get traded or are willing to give permission to be traded. In this proposal, the oilers trade draisaitl for a worse offensive but younger, cheaper and better defensive center that produces points. Hischier also has more potential to grow than draisaitl (he is younger and good, that's why). The two wingers they acquire in the proposal, Wood and bratt, are two fast, young scoring wingers that are exceptionally cheap and will help increase their winger depth. To help out their terrible power play, they get butcher and vatanen. The oilers also get santini who I believe has top-4 upside but is coming off of a terrible season. He gives them a stop gap for when Bouchard and bear make the club full time. If he doesn't live up to his top-4 potential, then he can be traded, but if he does, then that makes the deal better for the oilers and gives them more high end players on the right side of their defence. He is a restricted free agent that will probably make around the same money as benning on his next deal.

The devils need a top-4 left shooting defender and talks on a contract with miles wood haven't been great according to a report that was used to make a thread on hf. In that thread an oilers fan asked what would the cost be. That bares no relation to this thread whatsoever. In this trade, the devils get a top-4 left shooting defender that can sign a long term contract because his team has cap space to do so. They need a physical (and at least decent) presence on their defence, as Andy Greene is no longer a top-4 dman.
The devils also acquire the best player in this deal and would get him locked up for 7 seasons. He may make less money than hischier when hischier gets his post elc deal so the devils save cap there, albeit probably not by a lot. He has great chemistry with hall in Edmonton when they were good players amd now will play with eachother when they are great players. To replace vatanen, the devils get a familiar face back in Larsson and can officially say the won the hall for Larsson deal. The devils get benning who replaced santini on the right side bottom pair of defence. He had a decent season last season and his new contract will cost roughly the same amount as santini's. Also in this deal for the devils is caggigula and aberg. Caggigula adds speed to the fast paced devils and aberg adds some scoring, who will replace the wingers they give up in this proposal. In the ahl, aberg was very productive but has not been able to put it together to the NHL yet. He gets that chance in New Jersey in this proposal.

The oilers end up with 14 million dollars of cap (an increase of 9 million) with santini and wood needing a contract while the devils end up with 10.6 million dollars of cap (a decrease of 9 million dollars) with nurse needing a contract.

I was inspired to make this from the draisaitl thread that's currently on the main boards


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Post #383 by vonbonds » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:36 am

That seems like a normal trade
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Post #384 by vonbonds » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:36 am

Also I didn’t read shit beyond the names.
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Post #385 by Dat Boi » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:25 pm

What the fuck
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Post #386 by Hosei » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:38 pm

#BellLetsTalk
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Post #387 by Walter White » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:39 pm

my favorite part about that trade is a few of the Oilers fans actually think it favors NJ
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Post #388 by Walter White » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:54 am

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/148610859/

But for now:. Starting in the offensive zone is the least of Butchers worries....His poor skating, is the biggest issue. He can't handle more minutes with his skating and he is going to be a detriment to the entire defensive corp as he is now as a player.

There is much more to discuss... perhaps Butcher's positioning covers for his atrocious skating for a while but from what I've seen, he'll never be more than a bottom pairing PP guy...and unless we get a monster that make up for large chunks of time, Butcher is a problem...like duck fat...you know it's bad for you, but it taste so good you keep doing it anyway...any way I got some roasted clams coming. We can talk later.



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Post #389 by TreasonWeasel » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:18 am

the classic “I have a life beyond shitposting, I swear” anecdote at the end
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Post #390 by GM17 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:53 pm

"Hey I'm totally out enjoying myself. As proof I'll write this essay about how to say things to your internet face. Anyways my totally human date is about take me home to her favourite spawning pond"
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Post #391 by vonbonds » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:24 pm

He just enjoys trolling the easy crowd there. I used to like him/posting style but that’s so long ago now. He’s not worth quoting either as it’s always something ridiculous to the point of being absurd.
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Post #392 by Walter White » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:37 pm

When you said Hischier being like Elias would be good for us, were you just meaning his peak? Because Elias outside of his two big seasons was not anywhere near what Id want from a 1st overall. He averaged what, 60 points a season? Thats pretty bad for Hischier, nor would that make him a top 7-15 center in the league

Unless I misunderstood which maybe I did


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Post #393 by Jkrdevil » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:55 pm

Averaging 60 points a season for nearly 20 years is pretty fucking good.

Also, age 30’s Patrik Elias was one of the best possession players in the league and those stats didn’t exist in his prime where he was probably even better
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Post #394 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:21 am

I too would be disappointed if Hischier turns out to be the best homegrown forward in devils history
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Post #395 by Dat Boi » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:23 am

Who fucking said that
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Post #396 by Walter White » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:41 am

Dat Boi wrote:Who fucking said that

Jorge Martinez who changed his name to something else
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Post #397 by vonbonds » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:37 am

ICE is on to him and his south of the border takes
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Post #398 by guyincognito » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:00 pm

Jkrdevil wrote:Averaging 60 points a season for nearly 20 years is pretty fucking good.

Also, age 30’s Patrik Elias was one of the best possession players in the league and those stats didn’t exist in his prime where he was probably even better


Metrics for Elias from 99-01 were probably off the charts and with low ATOI for a first line forward
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Post #399 by NICO NICO PANIC » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:53 pm

Elias averaged 74 points per 82 games from 1999-00 to 2013-14. Among guys with similar career overlaps, he ranks 10th in PPG behind only the following names:

Jagr
Thornton
Kovalchuk
Datsyuk
Alfredsson
Iginla
Hossa
St. Louis
Heatley
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Post #400 by Walter White » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:25 pm

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ ... -149145577

Heck, I'd take Barzal by himself over Hischier and Zacha.


posted by a "Devils fan", mind you

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