Football: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Post #201 by da god » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:41 pm

Point being, completion percentage isn’t really an indicator of anything. A lot of times (like Darnold), a player’s completion percentage is so low because they run a complex offense because he’s capable of running it. Then you have squids like every Big 12 QB ever putting up video game numbers because 3 yard slangs go for 25 yards because nobody in that conference plays defenses. Big reason why I’m skeptical of Mayfield.
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Post #202 by da god » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:44 pm

One of the craziest things to me is that when every pro roster is fully healthy, there’s not a single Big 12 alum starting as a QB in the entire league. Unless you count Bradford but I’m not sure if he’s the starter anyway.

There’s starting QBs from even low level places like the FCS, the MAC, etc.

I’m not even sure if there’s a big 12 alum that should even be in the conversation for a starting role.
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Post #203 by Walter White » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:01 pm

The GOAT wrote:One of the craziest things to me is that when every pro roster is fully healthy, there’s not a single Big 12 alum starting as a QB in the entire league. Unless you count Bradford but I’m not sure if he’s the starter anyway.

There’s starting QBs from even low level places like the FCS, the MAC, etc.

I’m not even sure if there’s a big 12 alum that should even be in the conversation for a starting role.


when did Texas A&M move to the SEC? Tannehill would be one I guess
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Post #204 by Dat Boi » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:04 pm

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Post #205 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:05 pm

The GOAT wrote:
Marcus Mareo Hotah wrote:What starters in the NFL, currently, had a sub-60 completion percentage their final season in college? I’m interested to see if there’s even one

Tyrod 59.7%
Josh Mccown 51.1% his JR year in FBS, then 60% in his SR year in FCS
DeShone Kizer 58.7%
Trevor Simeon 58.2%
Matt Ryan 59.3%


Tom Brady 61%
Drew Brees 60.4%

and the top five all suck, with the exception of Tyrod who is largely a serviceable starter because of his ability to move the chains with his legs
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Post #207 by da god » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:15 pm

Walter White wrote:
The GOAT wrote:One of the craziest things to me is that when every pro roster is fully healthy, there’s not a single Big 12 alum starting as a QB in the entire league. Unless you count Bradford but I’m not sure if he’s the starter anyway.

There’s starting QBs from even low level places like the FCS, the MAC, etc.

I’m not even sure if there’s a big 12 alum that should even be in the conversation for a starting role.


when did Texas A&M move to the SEC? Tannehill would be one I guess


You’re right. They moved after he graduated. Feels like they’ve been SEC for longer
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Post #208 by da god » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:16 pm

Dat Boi wrote:Mahomes

True. Definitely in the starters conversation. Another kid who I’m pulling for but not confident he’ll succeed.
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Post #209 by da god » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:18 pm

Marcus Mareo Hotah wrote:
The GOAT wrote:
Marcus Mareo Hotah wrote:What starters in the NFL, currently, had a sub-60 completion percentage their final season in college? I’m interested to see if there’s even one

Tyrod 59.7%
Josh Mccown 51.1% his JR year in FBS, then 60% in his SR year in FCS
DeShone Kizer 58.7%
Trevor Simeon 58.2%
Matt Ryan 59.3%


Tom Brady 61%
Drew Brees 60.4%

and the top five all suck, with the exception of Tyrod who is largely a serviceable starter because of his ability to move the chains with his legs


Matt Ryan doesn’t suck

Also the difference between a high 58% and Drew Brees low 60% is like one more completion every other game.

I don’t want this to sound like I’m advocating for Allen though because I’m not. I’m just not on board with stats (even the more advanced stats) being used to judge college QBs.
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Post #210 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:22 pm

and all I'm saying is that the odds of becoming a successful NFL QB when your college completion % is sub-60 are overwhelmingly against you
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Post #211 by da god » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:22 pm

And regarding Matt Ryan, he’s another guy who had poor college numbers because he was asked to do so much more since he was capable of doing it. He was a can’t miss prospect.

Then there’s guys like Mariota who win Heismans throwing in spread systems, go 2nd overall and now throw more picks than touchdowns in the pros.
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Post #213 by da god » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:09 pm

Sean Payton! The QB guru!

Signed Drew Brees and stole a bunch of Vicodin
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Post #214 by Walter White » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:12 pm

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Post #215 by Grabner by the Pussy » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:13 pm

New Orleans doesn't pick till 27. I don't see Mayfield falling that far. They'd probably have to trade up to get him like KC did with Mahomes.
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Post #216 by VLoo » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:45 pm

Which they probably wouldn't be able to do because they traded away their 2 this year to get Kamara last year
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Post #217 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:39 am



Wouldn’t be too broken up about this. Both are older and it would free up a decent amount of cap space

Plenty of good receiver options in the draft from round 2 and on (Sutton, Kirk, Anthony Miller, either of the Oklahoma State WRs)

Then sign a Brice Butler/Albert Wilson
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Post #218 by Walter White » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:47 am

are they going to cut CJ Anderson? Gase and him are buddies.

rather just draft a power back in the mid rounds to complement Drake
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Post #219 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:01 am

I think he’ll probably be cut. They have Booker and Henderson who both look promising albeit in limited action and they’ll undoubtedly draft a back or sign a FA (hopefully McKinnon or something)

I’d stay away if I was the darpheen, he’s not all that good and is injury prone. Much better off drafting a back like you said. This class is insanely deep
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Post #220 by Walter White » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:06 am

I'd love to get the SD State kid Penny in like the 4th round

I also really like the TE Dallas Goedert. I've seen some mocks have him jump into the 1st round though.

Ideal first few rounds:
1. Roquan or Derwin
2. Goedert
3. Billy Price
4. best QB on the board
4. (from Philly): Penny
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Post #221 by da god » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:17 am

4th round QB you’re probably looking at someone like Riley Ferguson or Kenny Hill. Depending on how many QBs go early, Luke Falk could sneak down that far. Logan Whiteside is a big kid from Toledo who I think is being overlooked. Could be a good backup with starting potential.

Penny is one of those players that I think every team wants to get as a steal which means some team is going to take him early.
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Post #222 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:19 am

I think we talked about this during the season but Kenny Hill would be an awesome developmental project for a team that has a QB in place but could probably do better, so yeah Miami

or maybe a team like the Chargers where you figure Rivers has probably two, maybe three years left
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Post #223 by Walter White » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:23 am

a couple Dolphins Twitter guys have said they see Tanner Lee as a guy that Gase might like out of the QBs. Can't say I know anything about him though.

we really need to hit on a mid round interior OL. Every single fucking one we've taken for as long as I can remember have been busts. I feel like teams find a day one starter at guard/center in the ~3rd round every single year. Elflein, Bodine, Linsley are guys that jump out right away.
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Post #224 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:26 am

Paradis was like a 5th rounder lol

McGovern looks like a starter or at least a good G/C backup and I think he may have been even later
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Post #225 by da god » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:29 am

Wasn’t impressed with Lee at all when he played Rutgers
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Post #226 by Dat Boi » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:02 pm

Pats are the home team for SB but gonna wear white
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Post #227 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:46 pm



Know nothing about him (western Kentucky ffs) but he’s one name I’ve seen mentioned as a good developmental prospect. Maybe a guy they’d target if they sign Cousins
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Post #228 by Walter White » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:24 pm



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Post #229 by åboriginal » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:37 pm

White pow'er bruh!
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Post #230 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:20 pm

People want this kid to Manziel so bad

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Post #231 by Krinkle » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:30 pm

Walter White wrote:https://twitter.com/phillymag/status/955539031974170624

whew


What a fucking moron. This is lazier than the "Philly fans are the worst fans ever" trope that I've been subjected to the last two days.

The entire city was out in celebration Sunday night, and guess how may people were arrested?

Guess.

ZERO YOU FUCKING TOOL! You know why? nothing got burned down, no stores were looted, much to the chagrin of all these media hacks, a good time was had by all. Well except that guy who lost a race to the subway support beam.

The first fucking video clip is of a black guy wearing nothing but what looks like tighty whiteys and a rubber Eagle mask, fuck right off.

And yeah ask Malcom Jenkins and Chris Long about the player protests. I fucking hate lazy journalism like this especially when it comes from people who should be on our side.
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Post #232 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:16 pm

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Post #233 by Walter White » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:45 pm

Allen has been horrendous so far apparently
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Post #234 by vonbonds » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:55 pm

NCAA, developing top flight QB’s since 10+ years ago
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Post #235 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:07 pm

gianst fans - they aren’t really keeping Eli are they? read that on twitter today but didn’t really take it at face value
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Post #236 by Walter White » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:08 pm

I think they are

think the goal is for him to play out 2018 and whichever QB they pick sits the year
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Post #237 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:22 pm

I think Darnold is probably the one that would be a good fit to sit a year

Or maybe they take a QB later on
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Post #238 by Walter White » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:26 am



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Post #239 by Dat Boi » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:27 pm

Eli is definitely coming back
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Post #241 by vonbonds » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:05 pm

Not clicking. I hope this becomes a legit minor league for the NFL.
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Post #242 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:17 pm

I’m cackling at just about every part of that tweet
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Post #243 by Brattman » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:20 pm

Here's hoping the NFL steals their better innovations (shorter games and better streaming services to start with).
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Post #244 by Marcus Mareo Hotah » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:29 pm



When your brain legitimately doesn’t work
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Post #245 by da god » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:37 pm

I don’t see any realistic way the XFL works
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Post #246 by da god » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:37 pm

vonbonds wrote:Not clicking. I hope this becomes a legit minor league for the NFL.

The UFL kind of half ass attempted this in like 2009 and failed. Though I think Graham Gano came out of it.
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Post #247 by da god » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:39 pm

Brattman wrote:Here's hoping the NFL steals their better innovations (shorter games and better streaming services to start with).

And that’s what Vince does.

What should happen is the NFL should bring him on to be some sort of president of productions or something which I think would make the NFL better.
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Post #248 by Grabner by the Pussy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:02 pm

da god wrote:I don’t see any realistic way the XFL works

It’ll be cool for a few weeks then people will stop paying attention. That’s what happened the first time. Don’t see it being any different this time around.
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Post #249 by da god » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:20 pm

Miserable Prick wrote:
da god wrote:I don’t see any realistic way the XFL works

It’ll be cool for a few weeks then people will stop paying attention. That’s what happened the first time. Don’t see it being any different this time around.

I don’t remember it very well because I was in like 6th grade but the 30 for 30 says their biggest downfall was the broadcast crashed during a double overtime thriller in week 2 and people tuned out and then never came back.
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Post #250 by Grabner by the Pussy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:30 pm

Yea I think the broadcasts were a mess. I watched that 30 for 30 too and I remember them saying the games became horrible. The quality of play went down the drain by like week 5.

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